Is morality possible without God

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Or...you know it evolved that way.

Evolved from what, good sir?

Cells and shit.

[Benuty]

Evolved from what, good sir?

Cells and shit.

Well cells aren't exactly self aware.

If they were the we would be edging on the border of Parasite Eve here.

[New United States of Columbia]

Even then if Evolution was true why are there still monkeys around? If evolution works from fish-monkey-human (Simplified I know) then the other two shouldn't be around as they'd be "mistakes"

[Washington Resistance Army]

Even then if Evolution was true why are there still monkeys around? If evolution works from fish-monkey-human (Simplified I know) then the other two shouldn't be around as they'd be "mistakes"

We didn't come from monkeys, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Benuty]

Even then if Evolution was true why are there still monkeys around? If evolution works from fish-monkey-human (Simplified I know) then the other two shouldn't be around as they'd be "mistakes"

No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOfRN0KihOU

That isn't what evolution exists for it is to provide genetic diversity not uniform chain of progression.

[New United States of Columbia]

Even then if Evolution was true why are there still monkeys around? If evolution works from fish-monkey-human (Simplified I know) then the other two shouldn't be around as they'd be "mistakes"

We didn't come from monkeys, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Like I said I horribly simplified the theory but you get my points: If evolution is an ongoing process why haven't we evolved since the time of the Sumerians and why are our "Predecessors" still around when they should be sixty feet deep?

[Benuty]

Even then if Evolution was true why are there still monkeys around? If evolution works from fish-monkey-human (Simplified I know) then the other two shouldn't be around as they'd be "mistakes"

We didn't come from monkeys, you have no idea what you're talking about.

In before "Then where did the monkeys come from?".

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Even then if Evolution was true why are there still monkeys around? If evolution works from fish-monkey-human (Simplified I know) then the other two shouldn't be around as they'd be "mistakes"

Are you trying to be a stereotype?

[Benuty]

We didn't come from monkeys, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Like I said I horribly simplified the theory but you get my points: If evolution is an ongoing process why haven't we evolved since the time of the Sumerians and why are our "Predecessors" still around when they should be sixty feet deep?

Because genetic diversity rather than progression is the priority of why life evolves?

[New United States of Columbia]

Even then if Evolution was true why are there still monkeys around? If evolution works from fish-monkey-human (Simplified I know) then the other two shouldn't be around as they'd be "mistakes"

Are you trying to be a stereotype?

No just trying to point out flaws or more accurately holes

[Benuty]

Even then if Evolution was true why are there still monkeys around? If evolution works from fish-monkey-human (Simplified I know) then the other two shouldn't be around as they'd be "mistakes"

Are you trying to be a stereotype?

I hope not.

[Benuty]

Are you trying to be a stereotype?

No just trying to point out flaws or more accurately holes

Flaws which don't exist or have been explained away to the point of non existence.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

We didn't come from monkeys, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Like I said I horribly simplified the theory but you get my points: If evolution is an ongoing process why haven't we evolved since the time of the Sumerians and why are our "Predecessors" still around when they should be sixty feet deep?

You just said evolution is an ongoing process, so yes, we have evolved. We are evolving.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We didn't come from monkeys, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Like I said I horribly simplified the theory but you get my points: If evolution is an ongoing process why haven't we evolved since the time of the Sumerians and why are our "Predecessors" still around when they should be sixty feet deep?

Our predecessors aren't around, we share a common ancestor with the other primates. The most closely related we are to any other species are chimps not monkeys btw.

Evolution won't change something from a human to a bird in a few thousand years, massive changes like that take millions upon millions of years of small changes. Either way, humans still are evolving.

[Deanson]

The only morality that exists is subjective. I dictate my overarching morality based on what helps humanity as a species thrive. I dictate my more specific and situational morality based on what causes the least amount of harm and pain to any party. Omnipotent gods in the sky never even enter the equation.

[SuperFruitland]

We didn't come from monkeys, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Like I said I horribly simplified the theory but you get my points: If evolution is an ongoing process why haven't we evolved since the time of the Sumerians and why are our "Predecessors" still around when they should be sixty feet deep?

We have evolved since the time of Sumerians.

Not enough to cause notable differences, though.

See: the hundreds of thousands of years taken to change 0.02% of the genes of a complex multi-billion-cellular creature...

[Benuty]

The only morality that exists is subjective. I dictate my overarching morality based on what helps humanity as a species thrive. I dictate my more specific and situational morality based on what causes the least amount of harm and pain to any party. Omnipotent gods in the sky never even enter the equation.

Tengri isn't Omnipotent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengri

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't morality a non physical thing? Yes most of us have a sense of morality, though it usually differs from person to person. I know that is a rather dumb argument, but it's not my point. If it's difficult to even prove whether we ourselves exist, is it possible to prove that certain actions are wrong without belief in a supernatural God?

From my understanding the skepticism around morality boils down to "what authority is there that makes doing x actions bad and others good?" I can't think of anything besides God that may constitute this authority.

What do you think?

(Also it's worth noting that I'm talking about objective morality)

The pre-Christian beliefs of the Fertile Crescent (Judaism included) did not make distinction between heaven and hell, instead having a neutral afterlife which everyone went to regardless of how they acted in life. The moral authority in these areas was mostly society itself, telling us that doing things like killing people or maiming slaves was morally wrong. It was up to the secular kings and other physical authorities to decide the case, one famous case being Hammurabi.

I hope this provides a nice answer, and have a good day.

[Mavorpen]

Are you trying to be a stereotype?

No just trying to point out flaws or more accurately holes

Flaws/holes in the arguments of people who don't understand evolution?

If so, you're doing a very good job.

[Deanson]

The only morality that exists is subjective. I dictate my overarching morality based on what helps humanity as a species thrive. I dictate my more specific and situational morality based on what causes the least amount of harm and pain to any party. Omnipotent gods in the sky never even enter the equation.

Tengri isn't Omnipotent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengri

You get my point.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

We didn't come from monkeys, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Like I said I horribly simplified the theory but you get my points: If evolution is an ongoing process why haven't we evolved since the time of the Sumerians and why are our "Predecessors" still around when they should be sixty feet deep?

Evolution isn't instant. It's a ongoing process that takes millions of years, and even now, we are going through it. We cannot ever reach "the end" of evolution. Natural Selection determines that, and even then, we evolved through a process that took many, many, many years, and we are, in shape, perfect neither are we don with evolution.

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I don't assign monetary value to children, so no, I don't get my morality from god.

[United Christian America]

I remember a guy saying once "a deed done out of fear has no moral value", or something like that. That holds with me. If you're getting threatened by a omnipotent guy with a big stick, it's not your choice what you do. You do what the omnipotent guy with the big stick wants you to do, and you become an instrument in someone else's plans.

Wait, but I thought [the commonly referenced] God works in mysterious ways? We are, by definition (as His creations), part of His plans.

Of course similar statements could be made about other Creator Deities and how we mortals must succumb to the will of fate. Or something.

TLDR: To Christians with a certain attitude, your statements are factual. I don't think that was your intention.

[Benuty]

Morality is subjective whether you receive it from an authority figures or from a yourself. Morality systems given by a God figure are just that God figure's subjective moral systems.

Subjectivity is a falsehood concocted to imply that peoples minds are more than just organic machines.

Can you prove that it is indeed false?

[Hyfling]

Morality is a personal thing.

It can exist with or without a deity.

[Neutraligon]

Like I said I horribly simplified the theory but you get my points: If evolution is an ongoing process why haven't we evolved since the time of the Sumerians and why are our "Predecessors" still around when they should be sixty feet deep?

Because genetic diversity rather than progression is the priority of why life evolves?

Umm evolution doesn't have a priority, it is just a function of life on this planet.