Is morality possible without God

[The Rich Port]

In a word, yes.

Your post is, in a word, lazy.

[Infected Mushroom]

You can't say that with any degree of certainty.

It could be possible that some individuals can will things into existence through their beliefs. There are folk traditions that depict gods and creatures getting their power from the number of people who worship/believe in their existence.

When we're dealing with the supernatural, anything is possible. I prefer to keep an open mind.

If anything is really possible, then the only thing that becomes impossible is predicting what will happen in the future. There could be a psychic forcing you to live in his dream world right now and everything you experience could be an illusion.

You've got to learn to shave with Occom's Razor in order to function in the world.

I prefer to stay as open-minded as possible

and as such, I believe it is entirely possible that morality could exist without God

[Zottistan]

Morality is subjective whether you receive it from an authority figures or from a yourself. Morality systems given by a God figure are just that God figure's subjective moral systems.

Subjectivity is a falsehood concocted to imply that peoples minds are more than just organic machines.

I'm fairly sure the concept of subjectivity predates a materialistic understanding of the brain, but in any case saying subjective experience doesn't exist is incredibly dumb, since subjective experience is pretty much the only thing that can be demonstrated to exist without any room for error.

[Wallenburg]

Morality is subjective whether you receive it from an authority figures or from a yourself. Morality systems given by a God figure are just that God figure's subjective moral systems.

Subjectivity is a falsehood concocted to imply that peoples minds are more than just organic machines.

That's why we all hold the same opinions. *nods*

[New United States of Columbia]

I say no as, if we weren't created by a divine being who gave us an idea on right and wrong, then how do we come to these conclusions on morality if we were a "Lucky accident". Compare our reaction to a male lion slaughtering cubs and a lioness defending them and replace the lions with humans. With the lions we go "Meh that's just what they do" while in the later case we naturally want the guys head on a silver platter. I say that if we weren't made by a God or Gods/Godess' then we would react more like in the former in cases of the later.

[Zottistan]

Subjectivity is a falsehood concocted to imply that peoples minds are more than just organic machines.

That's why we all hold the same opinions. *nods*

When you take into account environmental differences and the fact that no two people have identical brain structure and composition, this isn't a problem for a mechanistic worldview.

[Wallenburg]

I say no as, if we weren't created by a divine being who gave us an idea on right and wrong, then how do we come to these conclusions on morality if we were a "Lucky accident".

Because, as social animals, we developed sets of rules in order to maximize survival of both the individual and the group as a whole.

Compare our reaction to a male lion slaughtering cubs and a lioness defending them and replace the lions with humans.

If all male lions spend their time slaughtering cubs, how is the lion species still alive?

With the lions we go "Meh that's just what they do"

If this ever were to happen, most people would turn away in horror. Some stupid, brave soul might intervene to save the cubs, but most would still feel sick.

while in the later case we naturally want the guys head on a silver platter.

No, I want to see him locked up and rehabilitated into a constructive, nonviolent member of society.

I say that if we weren't made by a God or Gods/Godess' then we would react more like in the former in cases of the later.

And I say that's bullshit. I can see how this argument seems rational to you, but the reality is that this argument is extremely flawed. Male lions don't obsess over killing cubs. They raise them just like any other animal parent would, and would only kill them if they were about to starve to death themselves. There are also plenty of mentally unstable people out there with no qualms to killing children. Why don't they have the standard sense of right and wrong? Why didn't God give him the normal operating system?

[Wallenburg]

That's why we all hold the same opinions. *nods*

When you take into account environmental differences and the fact that no two people have identical brain structure and composition, this isn't a problem for a mechanistic worldview.

That we have different brain structures is the very reason why subjectivity exists. I agree with you that we are nothing but organic machines. But that doesn't mean that we can't be subjective. Each person has a slightly different logic pattern, influenced both by genetics and experience. I'm not sure why you think the concepts of subjectivity and organic machines are mutually exclusive.

[The Venderlands]

I say no as, if we weren't created by a divine being who gave us an idea on right and wrong, then how do we come to these conclusions on morality if we were a "Lucky accident".

Because, as social animals, we developed sets of rules in order to maximize survival of both the individual and the group as a whole.

Compare our reaction to a male lion slaughtering cubs and a lioness defending them and replace the lions with humans.

If all male lions spend their time slaughtering cubs, how is the lion species still alive?

With the lions we go "Meh that's just what they do"

If this ever were to happen, most people would turn away in horror. Some stupid, brave soul might intervene to save the cubs, but most would still feel sick.

while in the later case we naturally want the guys head on a silver platter.

No, I want to see him locked up and rehabilitated into a constructive, nonviolent member of society.

I say that if we weren't made by a God or Gods/Godess' then we would react more like in the former in cases of the later.

And I say that's bullshit. I can see how this argument seems rational to you, but the reality is that this argument is extremely flawed. Male lions don't obsess over killing cubs. They raise them just like any other animal parent would, and would only kill them if they were about to starve to death themselves. There are also plenty of mentally unstable people out there with no qualms to killing children. Why don't they have the standard sense of right and wrong? Why didn't God give him the normal operating system?

If morality is subjective, why is survival, and ultimately staying alive necessary? Take morals from God out the picture, and it is completely irrelevant.

Again, the importance of survival is based off morals set from God. This is because in the bible, he commands "be fruitful and multiply." Otherwise, their really is no point in living.

[United States Kingdom]

Yes, it is possible to have morality without God.

[New Werpland]

If you would be so kind, please elaborate as to why you hold this stance, instead of posting one pithy word which does a terrible job of supporting your argument.

Of course you can feel differently about something, it is just that there are some morals most people share. Why?

Basing your moral footing of science is not possible. Science doesn't have a moral code.

Obviously, you failed to obtain the simple knowledge that this was a rhetorical question.
It was more to see your answer.

Umm... Science may not have a moral code, but we know we have a moral code because it benefits us as a species.

Is that a sufficient imperative for us to act morally though, because it benefits us as a species?

[The New Sea Territory]

If morality is subjective, why is survival, and ultimately staying alive necessary?

It isn't. If anyone wants to, they can end their existence.

Take morals from God out the picture, and it is completely irrelevant.

Again, the importance of survival is based off morals set from God. This is because in the bible, he commands "be fruitful and multiply." Otherwise, their really is no point in living.

If your God really existed, I would not want to live. This life would be pointless.

So, in the real world, the whole point of living is that you decide what the point is, or if you should even live at all. That deity unworthy of worship isn't necessary.

[Washington Resistance Army]

If morality is subjective, why is survival, and ultimately staying alive necessary? Take morals from God out the picture, and it is completely irrelevant.

Again, the importance of survival is based off morals set from God. This is because in the bible, he commands "be fruitful and multiply." Otherwise, their really is no point in living.

This might shock you, but dying and being dead fucking sucks so we try to avoid that as long as possible.

[Rhyfelnydd]

If morality is subjective, why is survival, and ultimately staying alive necessary? Take morals from God out the picture, and it is completely irrelevant.

Again, the importance of survival is based off morals set from God. This is because in the bible, he commands "be fruitful and multiply." Otherwise, their really is no point in living.

This might shock you, but dying and being dead fucking sucks so we try to avoid that as long as possible.

Another shocker is that I and many others have found ample reasons to continue existance that have nothing to do with any sort of diety. I have also had doubts on whether my existence is worth continuing, as have others, again without anything to do with a diety.

[The Venderlands]

If morality is subjective, why is survival, and ultimately staying alive necessary?

It isn't. If anyone wants to, they can end their existence.

Take morals from God out the picture, and it is completely irrelevant.

Again, the importance of survival is based off morals set from God. This is because in the bible, he commands "be fruitful and multiply." Otherwise, their really is no point in living.

If your God really existed, I would not want to live. This life would be pointless.

So, in the real world, the whole point of living is that you decide what the point is, or if you should even live at all. That deity unworthy of worship isn't necessary.

The reason someone would want to end their existence in the first place is most likely due to extreme depression. From a Christian perspective, each one of us has a plan to live out according to God. But you don't believe in one, so I can't debate this section with you.

If God didn't exist, then I wouldn't want to live.

[The Venderlands]

If morality is subjective, why is survival, and ultimately staying alive necessary? Take morals from God out the picture, and it is completely irrelevant.

Again, the importance of survival is based off morals set from God. This is because in the bible, he commands "be fruitful and multiply." Otherwise, their really is no point in living.

This might shock you, but dying and being dead fucking sucks so we try to avoid that as long as possible.

How do you know that? Have you been dead? Of course not. Why would one want to avoid being dead? The reason one would want to live is because naturally, the instinct installed by God is there.

[Rhyfelnydd]

This might shock you, but dying and being dead fucking sucks so we try to avoid that as long as possible.

How do you know that? Have you been dead? Of course not. Why would one want to avoid being dead? The reason one would want to live is because naturally, the instinct installed by God is there.

Wanting to live is a basic intinct all animals have, a dirty has nothing to do with it.

[United States Kingdom]

This might shock you, but dying and being dead fucking sucks so we try to avoid that as long as possible.

How do you know that? Have you been dead? Of course not. Why would one want to avoid being dead? The reason one would want to live is because naturally, the instinct installed by God is there.

Wanting to live is a basic instinct that all animals have, including humans. People wanting to live long isn't something new.

[The Venderlands]

How do you know that? Have you been dead? Of course not. Why would one want to avoid being dead? The reason one would want to live is because naturally, the instinct installed by God is there.

Wanting to live is a basic intinct all animals have, a dirty has nothing to do with it.

Then again, where does that instinct come from? What makes it valuable to live? The instinct we have to live is part of God's design for our nature. Indeed it is a basic instinct, a basic instinct installed by God.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Wanting to live is a basic intinct all animals have, a dirty has nothing to do with it.

Then again, where does that instinct come from? What makes it valuable to live? The instinct we have to live is part of God's design for our nature. Indeed it is a basic instinct, a basic instinct installed by God.

The instinct comes from the most basic desire of all things living to stay that way. Isn't all that hard.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Wanting to live is a basic intinct all animals have, a dirty has nothing to do with it.

Then again, where does that instinct come from? What makes it valuable to live? The instinct we have to live is part of God's design for our nature. Indeed it is a basic instinct, a basic instinct installed by God.

The possibility of reproducing makes it valuable to live, as with any species. Nothing designed us but evolution.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Then again, where does that instinct come from? What makes it valuable to live? The instinct we have to live is part of God's design for our nature. Indeed it is a basic instinct, a basic instinct installed by God.

Sounds made up.

[Neutraligon]

This might shock you, but dying and being dead fucking sucks so we try to avoid that as long as possible.

How do you know that? Have you been dead? Of course not. Why would one want to avoid being dead? The reason one would want to live is because naturally, the instinct installed by God is there.

Or...you know it evolved that way.

[New United States of Columbia]

How do you know that? Have you been dead? Of course not. Why would one want to avoid being dead? The reason one would want to live is because naturally, the instinct installed by God is there.

Or...you know it evolved that way.

Evolved from what, good sir?

[Benuty]

Or...you know it evolved that way.

Evolved from what, good sir?

Fear for one thing.