We have found Earth 2.0

[Auroya]

Oh no this again.

FTL is impossible, sorry.

[Empire of Donner land]

Oh no this again.

FTL is impossible, sorry.

sigh

We don't know that. We should atleast try.

[Auroya]

Oh no this again.

FTL is impossible, sorry.

sigh

We don't know that. We should atleast try.

Yes we do. We know that very well. Any form of FTL would violate causality, because it's necessarily time travel also - and causality cannot be violated.

[Roski]

Oh no this again.

FTL is impossible, sorry.

It's currently infeasible.

But unable to do something currently doesn't make it impossible.

[Empire of Donner land]

sigh

We don't know that. We should atleast try.

Yes we do. We know that very well. Any form of FTL would violate causality, because it's necessarily time travel also - and causality cannot be violated.

All because of what a (very smart and amazing man don't get me wrong) wrote on a Black board? Its not really time travel if your just folding space. It's basicly a loop hole. I'll admit I don't have that high hopes but I also don't want the human race stuck in this solar system.

[The Martian Hegemony]

No one better try to send a probe or colonization effort to this place. It's mine, and has been since before Thomas Edison was even conceived. So screw off.


It has a name, by the way. It's Mass'ir.

[Esternial]

No one better try to send a probe or colonization effort to this place. It's mine, and has been since before Thomas Edison was even conceived. So screw off.


It has a name, by the way. It's Mass'ir.

I'll just call it "Larry".

[Auroya]

Yes we do. We know that very well. Any form of FTL would violate causality, because it's necessarily time travel also - and causality cannot be violated.

All because of what a (very smart and amazing man don't get me wrong) wrote on a Black board? Its not really time travel if your just folding space. It's basicly a loop hole. I'll admit I don't have that high hopes but I also don't want the human race stuck in this solar system.

So it's your preference that FTL should be possible. Yes, this is mine too, but preference does not make reality.

The actual method by which it's dine isn't really relevant. Any FTL travel or communication at all will result, from certain perspectives, in information being sent back in time. And this is impossible.

And also, there are still good ways to colonize other stars other than FTL travel. Infact, an FTL civilization will probably expand at roughly the same rate as an STL one.

[Roski]

sigh

We don't know that. We should atleast try.

Yes we do. We know that very well. Any form of FTL would violate causality, because it's necessarily time travel also - and causality cannot be violated.

Except those where you aren't actually going faster than the speed of light, but it only appears so to outside observers.

[The Martian Hegemony]

Yes we do. We know that very well. Any form of FTL would violate causality, because it's necessarily time travel also - and causality cannot be violated.

All because of what a (very smart and amazing man don't get me wrong) wrote on a Black board? Its not really time travel if your just folding space. It's basicly a loop hole. I'll admit I don't have that high hopes but I also don't want the human race stuck in this solar system.

Alcubierre drive, while not technically a form of locomotion, is still very possible and is not in one of those 'it's possible, but...' grey areas. In fact, it will probably be feasible in 100-200 years. How do you think we expanded to take half a billion systems without FTL?

[Auroya]

Yes we do. We know that very well. Any form of FTL would violate causality, because it's necessarily time travel also - and causality cannot be violated.

Except those where you aren't actually going faster than the speed of light, but it only appears so to outside observers.

I just explained that the method of travel doesn't matter. It would still result in information being sent back in time.

[Auroya]

All because of what a (very smart and amazing man don't get me wrong) wrote on a Black board? Its not really time travel if your just folding space. It's basicly a loop hole. I'll admit I don't have that high hopes but I also don't want the human race stuck in this solar system.

Alcubierre drive, while not technically a form of locomotion, is still very possible and is not in one of those 'it's possible, but...' grey areas. In fact, it will probably be feasible in 100-200 years. How do you think we expanded to take half a billion systems without FTL?

FTL isn't even that big of a boost to the rate of colonization, really.

[The Martian Hegemony]

No one better try to send a probe or colonization effort to this place. It's mine, and has been since before Thomas Edison was even conceived. So screw off.


It has a name, by the way. It's Mass'ir.

I'll just call it "Larry".

Larry is a different planet and is currently under quarantine. It's pronounced Lar-ray.

[Roski]

All because of what a (very smart and amazing man don't get me wrong) wrote on a Black board? Its not really time travel if your just folding space. It's basicly a loop hole. I'll admit I don't have that high hopes but I also don't want the human race stuck in this solar system.

Alcubierre drive, while not technically a form of locomotion, is still very possible and is not in one of those 'it's possible, but...' grey areas. In fact, it will probably be feasible in 100-200 years. How do you think we expanded to take half a billion systems without FTL?

No.

Except those where you aren't actually going faster than the speed of light, but it only appears so to outside observers.

I just explained that the method of travel doesn't matter. It would still result in information being sent back in time.

You haven't explained it, at all. You said "it violates causality", however, "causality" stops something from physically going the speed of light, however, traveling in ways to where space is warping around you (and thusly not actually moving), would not violate this "causality" you keep using. Wormholes, Blackholes, and various other things demonstrate this with startling regularity.

[The Martian Hegemony]

Alcubierre drive, while not technically a form of locomotion, is still very possible and is not in one of those 'it's possible, but...' grey areas. In fact, it will probably be feasible in 100-200 years. How do you think we expanded to take half a billion systems without FTL?

FTL isn't even that big of a boost to the rate of colonization, really.

A fusion or antimatter, or even solar sailing ship going at %99.999999999999999 the speed of light would be much slower than a ship with an Alcubierre Drive and an oscilating warp bubble moving at 112 times the speed of light. Or a Tachyon Bubble ship moving at millions of times the speed of light. Or a Contained Dark Energy ship moving at thousands of times the speed of light. All theoretically possible warp drives. It greatly changes the amount of time it would take to set up colonies and create a star nation. Oh, and not to mention worm holes, where one travels at billions or trillions of times the speed of light to arrive anywhere nearly instantaneously.

[Auroya]

You haven't explained it, at all. You said "it violates causality", however, "causality" stops something from physically going the speed of light, however, traveling in ways to where space is warping around you (and thusly not actually moving), would not violate this "causality" you keep using. Wormholes, Blackholes, and various other things demonstrate this with startling regularity.

Yes, yes, the ways in which you can trchnically not be moving are neat, but it doesn't work. If it appears you are moving faster than light to outside observers, it violates causality.

Because it will appear that information has been sent back in time, which is known to be impossible.

There; not hard, is it?

[Salandriagado]

Yes we do. We know that very well. Any form of FTL would violate causality, because it's necessarily time travel also - and causality cannot be violated.

All because of what a (very smart and amazing man don't get me wrong) wrote on a Black board? Its not really time travel if your just folding space. It's basicly a loop hole. I'll admit I don't have that high hopes but I also don't want the human race stuck in this solar system.

No, it's absolutely, 100% legit time travel. Full blown "go and have a chat with yourself from yesterday" time travel.

[The Martian Hegemony]

Alcubierre drive, while not technically a form of locomotion, is still very possible and is not in one of those 'it's possible, but...' grey areas. In fact, it will probably be feasible in 100-200 years. How do you think we expanded to take half a billion systems without FTL?

No.

No? What do you mean, no? Alcubierre drive is possible. Why are you trying to disprove your own argument?

[Bentrada]

You haven't explained it, at all. You said "it violates causality", however, "causality" stops something from physically going the speed of light, however, traveling in ways to where space is warping around you (and thusly not actually moving), would not violate this "causality" you keep using. Wormholes, Blackholes, and various other things demonstrate this with startling regularity.

Yes, yes, the ways in which you can trchnically not be moving are neat, but it doesn't work. If it appears you are moving faster than light to outside observers, it violates causality.

Because it will appear that information has been sent back in time, which is known to be impossible.

There; not hard, is it?

Please give us some sources on how all potential methods of FTL travel violates causality.

[Solestia]

Alright, let's stir all of our brains, it is impossible to think that there is no life there, so based on the planet's size, relative distance to kepler,

what will it's inhabitants look like:

[Auroya]

Yes, yes, the ways in which you can trchnically not be moving are neat, but it doesn't work. If it appears you are moving faster than light to outside observers, it violates causality.

Because it will appear that information has been sent back in time, which is known to be impossible.

There; not hard, is it?

Please give us some sources on how all potential methods of FTL travel violates causality.

It's really simple and I literally just explained it there.

[Empire of Donner land]

Alright, let's stir all of our brains, it is impossible to think that there is no life there, so based on the planet's size, relative distance to kepler,

what will it's inhabitants look like:

They would have a stronger skeletal system based on that the planet is larger than earth. And assuming it's made out of the same stuff.

[Solestia]

Alright, let's stir all of our brains, it is impossible to think that there is no life there, so based on the planet's size, relative distance to kepler,

what will it's inhabitants look like:

They would have a stronger skeletal system based on that the planet is larger than earth. And assuming it's made out of the same stuff.

what about their genome??, silicon based?? or carbon based, what do you think??
if they're made of silicon i'll name them siliconites.....hehe

[Salandriagado]

Alcubierre drive, while not technically a form of locomotion, is still very possible and is not in one of those 'it's possible, but...' grey areas. In fact, it will probably be feasible in 100-200 years. How do you think we expanded to take half a billion systems without FTL?

No.

I just explained that the method of travel doesn't matter. It would still result in information being sent back in time.

You haven't explained it, at all. You said "it violates causality", however, "causality" stops something from physically going the speed of light, however, traveling in ways to where space is warping around you (and thusly not actually moving), would not violate this "causality" you keep using. Wormholes, Blackholes, and various other things demonstrate this with startling regularity.

No, causality is violated in ANY situation where you have a method of FTL information transfer (including "write it on a piece of paper, hand it to the captain of somebody with an Alcubierre drive and give him directions of who to give it to at the other end) and two observers moving sufficiently quickly (sublight) towards each other with a vaguely flat-ish spacetime between them. Note that black holes do not involve travelling in any sense of the word (they're just really fucking heavy), and wormholes have never been observed, and absolutely would allow for causality violations. See here.

[Empire of Donner land]

They would have a stronger skeletal system based on that the planet is larger than earth. And assuming it's made out of the same stuff.

Carbon Based of course.
what about their genome??, silicon based?? or carbon based, what do you think??
if they're made of silicon i'll name them siliconites.....hehe