Islamic State Crisis Megathread (ISIS/ISIL/IS) II

[Baiynistan]

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

Would you rather the Bosnians and Iraqi Kurds had been left to be exterminated? Not every US intervention has been a disaster.

[Ganos Lao]

The US led that operation. Operation Restoring Hope was the name of it. Look it up, and you'll see it was an American led UN operation.

It still isn't at fault on why Somalia is all fucked up.

It's a mixture of things, that one.

[The Rich Port]

Libya was more stable before the civil war.

This is what I have been saying on here for a while. Also, The USA should be condemned for its actions.

Nobody would dare enough to condemn them.

Well, UN doesn't, but citizens and activists will.

"Stable" is an incredibly fucking vague term.

Just because you don't see explosions on camera doesn't mean that the atrocities under Gaddafi weren't occurring.

If that's what costs to keep a country "stable", fuck stability.

And Gaddafi's administration was corrupt as fuck and Gaddafi himself was obviously mentally unstable. Any reports coming from his administration cannot be trusted without corroborating evidence.

[The balkens]

Libya was more stable before the civil war.



Nobody would dare enough to condemn them.

Well, UN doesn't, but citizens and activists will.

"Stable" is an incredibly fucking vague term.

Just because you don't see explosions on camera doesn't mean that the atrocities under Gaddafi weren't occurring.

If that's what costs to keep a country "stable", fuck stability.

And Gaddafi's administration was corrupt as fuck and Gaddafi himself was obviously mentally unstable. Any reports coming from his administration cannot be trusted without corroborating evidence.

Why anyone would trust a dude with a obsession with Condilizza rice is beyond me.

[Napkiraly]

"Stable" is an incredibly fucking vague term.

Just because you don't see explosions on camera doesn't mean that the atrocities under Gaddafi weren't occurring.

If that's what costs to keep a country "stable", fuck stability.

And Gaddafi's administration was corrupt as fuck and Gaddafi himself was obviously mentally unstable. Any reports coming from his administration cannot be trusted without corroborating evidence.

Why anyone would trust a dude with a obsession with Condilizza rice is beyond me.

Or who keeps on mispronouncing the game Jenga. For fuck's sake, Muammar, it's Jenga not Zenga. This is why you were executed fam.

[The Rich Port]

Why anyone would trust a dude with a obsession with Condilizza rice is beyond me.

Or who keeps on mispronouncing the game Jenga. For fuck's sake, Muammar, it's Jenga not Zenga. This is why you were executed fam.

Or who feels the need to keep female slave glamazons around him to prevent him from being raped... Looking the way he does.

... Yeah, no, I think he coulda cut that expense out safely, maybe save it for his teenage girl kidnap-dates.

[Novus America]

Libya was more stable before the civil war.



Nobody would dare enough to condemn them.

Well, UN doesn't, but citizens and activists will.

"Stable" is an incredibly fucking vague term.

Just because you don't see explosions on camera doesn't mean that the atrocities under Gaddafi weren't occurring.

If that's what costs to keep a country "stable", fuck stability.

And Gaddafi's administration was corrupt as fuck and Gaddafi himself was obviously mentally unstable. Any reports coming from his administration cannot be trusted without corroborating evidence.

Anyway the US did not cause the civil war. We only gotten involved AFTER the country had already collapsed into chaos. We did not intervene and start a war. We intervened to reduce casualties in a war that had already been raging for months.

[The Nuclear Fist]

It can be argued that the instability was already present under Gaddafi's regime, given that a civil war occurred. It's arguable that Gaddafi's corruption and brutality are what caused enough discontent to spurn his populace into taking up arms. Even had Gaddafi somehow won, there was no guarantee that the genie would go back in the bottle. There would still be years of destructive insurgency, and a decade or two down the road another civil war would have happened anyway. Especially when Gaddafi died of old age, assuming he made it that long.

Which is what I fear is going to be the plight of Syria, even if Assad wins and ISIS and the rebels are crushed.

[The Rich Port]

It can be argued that the instability was already present under Gaddafi's regime, given that a civil war occurred. It's arguable that Gaddafi's corruption and brutality are what caused enough discontent to spurn his populace into taking up arms. Even had Gaddafi somehow won, there was no guarantee that the genie would go back in the bottle. There would still be years of destructive insurgency, and a decade or two down the road another civil war would have happened anyway. Especially when Gaddafi died of old age, assuming he made it that long.

Which is what I fear is going to be the plight of Syria, even if Assad wins and ISIS and the rebels are crushed.

Really, it's a worse case scenario if either Assad or Daesh wins.

[Ganos Lao]

Libya was more stable before the civil war.



Nobody would dare enough to condemn them.

Well, UN doesn't, but citizens and activists will.

"Stable" is an incredibly fucking vague term.

Just because you don't see explosions on camera doesn't mean that the atrocities under Gaddafi weren't occurring.

If that's what costs to keep a country "stable", fuck stability.

And Gaddafi's administration was corrupt as fuck and Gaddafi himself was obviously mentally unstable. Any reports coming from his administration cannot be trusted without corroborating evidence.

Are people seriously editing my posts now?

Either that or you're responding to someone else and your quoting got messed up.

[The Nuclear Fist]

It can be argued that the instability was already present under Gaddafi's regime, given that a civil war occurred. It's arguable that Gaddafi's corruption and brutality are what caused enough discontent to spurn his populace into taking up arms. Even had Gaddafi somehow won, there was no guarantee that the genie would go back in the bottle. There would still be years of destructive insurgency, and a decade or two down the road another civil war would have happened anyway. Especially when Gaddafi died of old age, assuming he made it that long.

Which is what I fear is going to be the plight of Syria, even if Assad wins and ISIS and the rebels are crushed.

Really, it's a worse case scenario if either Assad or Daesh wins.

I actually think it will be worse if ISIS wins. They are, without a doubt, the most barbaric and violent out of all the groups involved in the Syrian civil war. Given that they've also made a declared enemy of every nation on earth, combined with their sponsoring of terror attacks in the West and elsewhere, and their affiliation with terror groups elsewhere, the plight of Syria is far worse under them than Assad. Assad would be, I believe, more interested in nation (re)building with help from his few remaining allies, and likely squashing what islamist resistance to his rule remained.

For better or worse, things would be more peaceful then than now, and it's likely that you'd see fewer terror attacks elsewhere in the world propagated by Syria-based groups. A rump ISIS state may continue to exist in Iraq at that point, but I believe that being totally routed in Syria would rapidly see the group's demise. We'd be seeing this situation play out again in another form a generation or two down the line, but at least there would be a lull in between.

An ISIS victory means only increased violence and brutality, since they would be in total control over a sizable portion of Iraq and the entirety of Syria. We'd be seeing sickening atrocities multiple times a day as psychotic religious extremists inflict their nonsensical doctrines on the populace, and eke out some kind of revenge on the greater Syrian populace for not supporting them. To make matters worse, drug and slave trafficking would likely only increase given such an increase in resources, and ISIS coffers would likely swell given so much more access to resource pools. The refugee crisis would likely swell beyond even what we're seeing now, and with pockets laden with loot ISIS would likely be free to propagate even worse terror attacks in the rest of the world, with greater frequency.

Which, of course, means greater and more frequent retribution from the rest of the world. Syria becomes even more of a burning shitpile as the Western coalition and Russia continue to turn the landscape into a munitions dump.

An ISIS victory is worst thing that can happen, and I'd argue that the second worst would likely be a long, drawn out status quo. With endless squabbles between all sides and atrocities on the daily, with no one in the conflict really gaining a foot over the other. A long, multi-faceted war of attrition, which is what I foresee happening.

[The balkens]

Why anyone would trust a dude with a obsession with Condilizza rice is beyond me.

Or who keeps on mispronouncing the game Jenga. For fuck's sake, Muammar, it's Jenga not Zenga. This is why you were executed fam.

"Just fuck my shit up fam." His last words.

[The Rich Port]

Or who keeps on mispronouncing the game Jenga. For fuck's sake, Muammar, it's Jenga not Zenga. This is why you were executed fam.

"Just fuck my shit up fam." His last words.

I thought they were "that doesn't go there"

[New confederate ramenia]

"Just fuck my shit up fam." His last words.

I thought they were "that doesn't go there"

Too soon ;_;

[Novus America]

Or who keeps on mispronouncing the game Jenga. For fuck's sake, Muammar, it's Jenga not Zenga. This is why you were executed fam.

Or who feels the need to keep female slave glamazons around him to prevent him from being raped... Looking the way he does.

... Yeah, no, I think he coulda cut that expense out safely, maybe save it for his teenage girl kidnap-dates.

He actually did get vigilante death rape in the end. So it was not paranoia. Though his Barbie soldiers did not save him.

I guess live by rape, die by rape.

[Ganos Lao]

A VICE article claims climate change directly influenced, and may have even led, Syria to war.

[Novus America]

A VICE article claims climate change directly influenced, and may have even led, Syria to war.

Drought played a role. But it must be noted Assad would rather steal money to make his family even more insanely rich than use it to buy food for his people. Good leaders adapt to difficult times. Bad ones like Assad make it worse.

[The Rich Port]

Or who feels the need to keep female slave glamazons around him to prevent him from being raped... Looking the way he does.

... Yeah, no, I think he coulda cut that expense out safely, maybe save it for his teenage girl kidnap-dates.

He actually did get vigilante death rape in the end. So it was not paranoia. Though his Barbie soldiers did not save him.

I guess live by rape, die by rape.

His claim was to protect himself from rapes by WOMEN.

Shoulda had gay glamazon men instead...

And, well, not carried a fancy pencil around, but whatever.

[The Rich Port]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... sh-7284387

An interesting update on Daesh, according to the Mirror: there is apparently an anti-Daesh sniper taking it upon himself to essentially hunt Daesh bosses.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... er-7274954

The guy has apparently become a local hero to those neutral or anti-Daesh in Daesh territory.

I really hope the guy/gal doesn't get captured. It would break a lot of peoples' hearts (my own included; I love unique stories like this ) to see him/her die in one of Daesh's sick home movies.

[The Rich Port]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ns-7276416

I keep hearing about Daesh desertions. This is just an example.

Makes me wonder how many have officially deserted and whether Daesh realizes it's sort of a bad idea to make videos about it...

[North Arkana]

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

Funny. When we're involved everyone wants us to go away and die. When we leave it alone, your beg us on your hands and knees to save you from whatever the threat of the week is and then turn on us the first chance you get. The world takes the US for granted. Give it a year with the US not listening to an begging for help and assistance, and by then plenty of nations would be willing to agree to some very one-sided deals to have the US come in and deal with their problems.

[The Rich Port]

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

Funny. When we're involved everyone wants us to go away and die. When we leave it alone, your beg us on your hands and knees to save you from whatever the threat of the week is and then turn on us the first chance you get. The world takes the US for granted. Give it a year with the US not listening to an begging for help and assistance, and by then plenty of nations would be willing to agree to some very one-sided deals to have the US come in and deal with their problems.

Well, to be fair, the U.S. has propped up many of the classic dictators of the week...

Mubarak, Gaddafi, Assad, the Saudi royal family, the Shah of Iran...

Of course, ironically, the Muslim world has replaced the deposed ones with dictators that don't like the U.S., or, sometimes, with good people that happen to use anti-Western and anti-Israel propaganda to rally support...

Sad to say, but the U.S. has become the bogeyman of the Muslim world mostly by it's own machinations.

I really wish a President had the guts to admit it so that the anti-West dictators would loose support... Though I guess that's a hopeful, idealist wish.

[Seraven]

how could we pooibly fuck it up more?

Because every single nation that you Americans go to give democracy to fails. IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN, LIBYA, SOMALIA! Why don't you realize, you're not the world police!

Not all nations that Americans go to give are not democratic from start.

Augusto Pinochet was a not a democratic leader and yet he was there to replaced the democratically-elected president in Chile.

[Pulau Singapura]

Who in here is pro-Assad
*cheers*

[Washington Resistance Army]

Who in here is pro-Assad
*cheers*

I'm not really pro-Assad, but I realize he's the best option currently on the table.