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The Carlisle wrote:More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

The Carlisle wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Cry me a river. Nothing wrong with wearing appropriate accessories to military cosplay.

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

The Carlisle wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Boohoo, let me cry them a river.

There's nothing wrong with dressing like a priest, so there's nothing wrong with wearing a Native American headdress.

Ah... Shitting on native Americans. A classic 'murican past time.

Egoman wrote:

The Carlisle wrote:More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

How horrible. Those, um, darn hippies...?

USS Monitor wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I'm pretty sure they're less interested in being a Japanese and more interested in emulating a work of art.

Probably.

I think there's also an argument to be made that they are exploring French culture considering whose painting it is, or that a kimono belongs in a New England museum as a part of the local maritime tradition which included trade with Asia. Obviously, the kimono is originally Japanese, but these people aren't appropriating it directly from Japan. They are getting it by way of France, and that sort of Asian-influenced imagery has a long history in European art.

The Carlisle wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Cry me a river. Nothing wrong with wearing appropriate accessories to military cosplay.

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

The Carlisle wrote:More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

Wanderjar wrote:

Egoman wrote:High five, dude. You're awesome.

I do what I can lol

But in all seriousness, how could someone possibly be offended by an individual tacitly saying 'Your cultural heritage is really neat. I wish to emulate it out of respect either as a costume or whatever.' I mean, really? How can I be offended by that as a Seminole/Cherokee?

Aelex wrote:

The Carlisle wrote:More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

Except there is a difference between a dress everyone wore in a country and medal given to some people for their deeds.

Egoman wrote:

The Cobalt Sky wrote:Sounds nice, but let's not dismiss every issue. On the other hand, This one is pretty whack.

Not every single one, of course. Just the ones I don't like.

Aelex wrote:

The Carlisle wrote:More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

Except there is a difference between a dress everyone wore in a country and medal given to some people for their deeds.

The Carlisle wrote:

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Cry me a river. Nothing wrong with wearing appropriate accessories to military cosplay.

More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

The Alexanderians wrote:

Egoman wrote:How horrible. Those, um, darn hippies...?

It's not like they're stealing valor, for christ's sake.

Wanderjar wrote:

The Carlisle wrote:More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

The strawman is strong with this one. That's an entirely different thing. A purple heart, medal of honor, etc, is something earned, not something that's just a facet of an ethno-cultural group's look for a specific period of time like the kimono.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:

The Carlisle wrote:More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

What war museum does that? Otherwise you just made a pointless strawman hypothetical.

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:

The Carlisle wrote:More like a war museum going "try on a purple heart!" At a display, take a picture, post it online, and feel good about yourself for ingratiating in US military history. All the while, veterans stand by ruining the day, saying this shit is insulting to the people who actually earned it.

What? What? Fucking getting shot is not a prerequisite for wearing a kimono. Please try again.

Dyakovo wrote:

USS Monitor wrote:
Probably.

I think there's also an argument to be made that they are exploring French culture considering whose painting it is, or that a kimono belongs in a New England museum as a part of the local maritime tradition which included trade with Asia. Obviously, the kimono is originally Japanese, but these people aren't appropriating it directly from Japan. They are getting it by way of France, and that sort of Asian-influenced imagery has a long history in European art.

Actually, the kimono is originally Chinese... The Japanese "stole" it from them around the 8th century CE...

Aculea wrote:

The Carlisle wrote:Potentially wearing a cleavage showing dirndl to a Halloween party is cool. Doesn't make you less of an asshole for bastardizing South German culture for your stupid costume parties.

Hey, that's a really good point. Egoman, close your ears. My wife loves steampunk and every time we go to an event she's got something even more Victorian to wear. If I don't do anything in a year or two it'll be corsets, bustles, and wireframe dresses. I wonder, what is the moral way to respond to this cultural appropriation happening before my eyes? I mean, I can see how other people in this thread can feel justified in ignoring Japan's cultural appropriation of the west, seeing as doing something about it requires effort, but now it's confronting me and I have no way to hide from it.

The Carlisle wrote:

Aelex wrote:Except there is a difference between a dress everyone wore in a country and medal given to some people for their deeds.

Except both are being treated as side shows to entertain people and not actually reach people what the fuck they are, their meaning, their history, or, fuck, ANYTHING ABOUT THEM besides them being related to the painting they are in front of.

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I might be wrong, but "cultural appropriation" as a concept sounds like a load of worthless pretentious wank.

Dyakovo wrote:

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:What? What? Fucking getting shot is not a prerequisite for wearing a kimono. Please try again.

Just so you know, "getting shot" is not a prerequisite for getting a purple heart either...