Potentially wearing a cleavage showing dirndl to a Halloween party is cool. Doesn't make you less of an asshole for bastardizing South German culture for your stupid costume parties.
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by The Carlisle » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:13 am
by Divitaen » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:14 am
Aculea wrote:Divitaen wrote:Literally half my family is Japanese.
What part? Cuz you've got an out if you're from Kyushu or some other retrograde district. You can claim to be simply out of touch with Tokyo. Or Kyoto, if you're near Kyoto you must have seen the kimono rental shops and the tourists wandering the streets taking selfies in front of sacred Buddhist monasteries. I got to climb inside the daibutsu and see how he was made, best part of the trip.
by The Cobalt Sky » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:14 am
by USS Monitor » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:15 am
Divitaen wrote:The Alexanderians wrote:I've specifically shown up in school dressed as a cossack simply because I could not to educate people, not to make a point, simply cause I thought it was cool and so did my friends. What is wrong with that?
Because the impression everyone around you gets is that the Cossacks are just this cool exotic "other" culture that we can use for fantastical and simple entertainment. I don't think cultures should ever be viewed from that kind of standpoint. Cross-cultural exchange happens when you view other cultures as complex and multi-faceted and genuinely want to learn about them.
by Egoman » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:15 am
Aculea wrote:Egoman wrote:I'm so fucking jealous of you right now.
I'm very sorry. I usually hide it for exactly this reason. But this isn't an abstract argument for me. When I read this thread I don't see people judging imaginary tourists in some museum, I see people judging me, directly, the way I live my life, and my relationship with my wife, and that means honesty. I put the kawaii thing on the table because it's something else where one can assume the wrong thing very easily.
by New Grestin » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:15 am
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by Divitaen » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:16 am
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Divitaen wrote:
Potentially blackface is cool too.
I just love that word,"potential". I can put it in any false statement and it makes it technically true.Potentially wearing a Native American bonnet is cool too.
Not potentially. The Native Americans wore it because it's cool, so they're not special.Doesn't make it right.
That's, like, your opinion, man.
by The Chals of the Bringer » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:16 am
Divitaen wrote:Hokkaido actually. Sapporo to be exact. At least that's where my ancestors were from. The other side of my family is Chinese.
by Dyakovo » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:16 am
Divitaen wrote:Aculea wrote:
What part? Cuz you've got an out if you're from Kyushu or some other retrograde district. You can claim to be simply out of touch with Tokyo. Or Kyoto, if you're near Kyoto you must have seen the kimono rental shops and the tourists wandering the streets taking selfies in front of sacred Buddhist monasteries. I got to climb inside the daibutsu and see how he was made, best part of the trip.
Hokkaido actually. Sapporo to be exact. At least that's where my ancestors were from. The other side of my family is Chinese.
by Divitaen » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:17 am
USS Monitor wrote:Divitaen wrote:
Because the impression everyone around you gets is that the Cossacks are just this cool exotic "other" culture that we can use for fantastical and simple entertainment. I don't think cultures should ever be viewed from that kind of standpoint. Cross-cultural exchange happens when you view other cultures as complex and multi-faceted and genuinely want to learn about them.
Why do you think cultural exchange can only be done in one way?
by Egoman » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:17 am
The Carlisle wrote:Divitaen wrote:
Potentially blackface is cool too. Potentially wearing a Native American bonnet is cool too. Doesn't make it right.
Potentially wearing a cleavage showing dirndl to a Halloween party is cool. Doesn't make you less of an asshole for bastardizing South German culture for your stupid costume parties.
by The Alexanderians » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:17 am
Aculea wrote:Egoman wrote:I'm so fucking jealous of you right now.
I'm very sorry. I usually hide it for exactly this reason. But this isn't an abstract argument for me. When I read this thread I don't see people judging imaginary tourists in some museum, I see people judging me, directly, the way I live my life, and my relationship with my wife, and that means honesty. I put the kawaii thing on the table because it's something else where one can assume the wrong thing very easily.
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:18 am
Divitaen wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I just love that word,"potential". I can put it in any false statement and it makes it technically true.
Not potentially. The Native Americans wore it because it's cool, so they're not special.
That's, like, your opinion, man.
You think its fine for people to wear Native American war bonnets just for fun?
by Divitaen » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:18 am
by The Cobalt Sky » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:18 am
Divitaen wrote:What's next then? Trying on blackface as a costume?
by The Alexanderians » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:18 am
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
by Egoman » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:18 am
Divitaen wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I just love that word,"potential". I can put it in any false statement and it makes it technically true.
Not potentially. The Native Americans wore it because it's cool, so they're not special.
That's, like, your opinion, man.
You think its fine for people to wear Native American war bonnets just for fun?
by Nirvash Type TheEND » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:18 am
Divitaen wrote:Dyakovo wrote:That's why it is worn now. Prior to the 1920s/1930s it was everyday wear.The formal kimono was replaced by the more convenient Western clothes and yukata as everyday wear. After an edict by Emperor Meiji, police, railroad men and teachers moved to Western clothes. The Western clothes became the army and school uniform for boys. After the 1923 Great Kantō earthquake, kimono wearers often became victims of robbery because they could not run very fast due to the restricting nature of the kimono on the body and geta clogs. The Tokyo Women's & Children's Wear Manufacturers' Association promoted Western clothes. Between 1920 and 1930 the sailor outfit replaced the undivided hakama in school uniforms for girls. The 1932 fire at Shirokiya's Nihonbashi store is said to have been the catalyst for the decline in kimonos as everyday wear. The national uniform, Kokumin-fuku, a type of Western clothes, was mandated for males in 1940. Today most people wear Western clothes and wear the breezier and more comfortable yukata for special occasions.
Its still degradation, either way. Wearing the kimono for formal occasions or wearing it as everyday wear, it doesn't change the fact that someone wearing it for one time at a museum for fun and to look exotic and "new" degrades the value of the kimono.
by Divitaen » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:18 am
by The Carlisle » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:19 am
Divitaen wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
Why do you think cultural exchange can only be done in one way?
Not one monolithic way. But the general way is cultural exchange cannot simply be one culture treating and reducing another culture to a simple trinket, fad or crude entertainment device. If its an exotic sideshow for you then I'd rather not. But cultural exchange can occur through many ways, interacting with people from another culture, learning another language, studying their history, or slowly picking up aspects of their culture.
by Alyakia » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:20 am
by Aelex » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:20 am
The Alexanderians wrote:I've specifically shown up in school dressed as a cossack simply because I could not to educate people, not to make a point, simply cause I thought it was cool and so did my friends. What is wrong with that?
by Dyakovo » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:20 am
by Aculea » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:21 am
The Carlisle wrote:Potentially wearing a cleavage showing dirndl to a Halloween party is cool. Doesn't make you less of an asshole for bastardizing South German culture for your stupid costume parties.
by The Alexanderians » Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:21 am
Divitaen wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:You don't?
No not at all. And I'm not the only one:
http://www.mtv.com/news/1837578/why-you ... addresses/
http://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014 ... be-stopped
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
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