[Poll] Gun control - How much?

[Dooom35796821595]

I think printers already have anti counterfeiting software hard wired into them, it would just require legislation that requires all printers to have anti-weapon software.
And current 3D printer weapons are hardly a threat, you can make something simmilar out of a plastic tube, a spring and a bullet.

This disagrees

While that does work for anti counterfeiting stuff, with weapons you could just build multiple pieces to a single part and put them all together yourself. I dunno, I'm just not sure how well that would work.

I've seen info about that ghost machine, it's a milling machine that modifies a pre bought peice of aluminium into the required gun part, that dosen't count.

And airport security scanners are getting new software that can recognise disassembled gun components, so I'm sure something could be designed to recognise and restrict weapon software. We have the technology!

[Sevvania]

And airport security scanners are getting new software that can recognise disassembled gun components, so I'm sure something could be designed to recognise and restrict weapon software. We have the technology!

http://gizmodo.com/uk-police-seize-3d-p ... 1452087573
tl;dr: Actual law enforcement officers have trouble recognizing 3D printed gun parts.

Airport security scanners are also not particularly effective, based on what I've read. US airport security in general seems to be something of a joke when it comes to recognizing/finding weapons.

[Rock Lobsters]

And airport security scanners are getting new software that can recognise disassembled gun components, so I'm sure something could be designed to recognise and restrict weapon software. We have the technology!

http://gizmodo.com/uk-police-seize-3d-p ... 1452087573
tl;dr: Actual law enforcement officers have trouble recognizing 3D printed gun parts.

Airport security scanners are also not particularly effective.

Why are 3D printers commercial tools again?

[Sevvania]

http://gizmodo.com/uk-police-seize-3d-p ... 1452087573
tl;dr: Actual law enforcement officers have trouble recognizing 3D printed gun parts.

Airport security scanners are also not particularly effective.

Why are 3D printers commercial tools again?

Because a gun can be made out of two lengths of pipe and a nail. Banning 3D printers because they can potentially be used to manufacture a firearm makes about as much sense as banning pipes or nails.

[Rock Lobsters]

Why are 3D printers commercial tools again?

Because a gun can be made out of two lengths of pipe and a nail. Banning 3D printers because they can potentially be used to manufacture a firearm makes about as much sense as banning pipes or nails.

3D printers can also make anthrax. But I get your point, yet I hate the fact you used the slippery slope.

[Sevvania]

Because a gun can be made out of two lengths of pipe and a nail. Banning 3D printers because they can potentially be used to manufacture a firearm makes about as much sense as banning pipes or nails.

3D printers can also make anthrax. But I get your point, yet I hate the fact you used the slippery slope.

And fertilizer can be used to make bombs.

I don't think I used a slippery slope, because I didn't say "if we ban 3D printers then we have to ban anything and everything that can potentially used to make a gun," I just stated that banning 3D printers wouldn't make much sense considering how many simpler, cheaper, and more effective means of manufacturing weapons exist.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Well printers that make weapons and the files to make them are already out there. I'm not sure how well trying to program what they can make would go though.

I think printers already have anti counterfeiting software hard wired into them, it would just require legislation that requires all printers to have anti-weapon software.
And current 3D printer weapons are hardly a threat, you can make something simmilar out of a plastic tube, a spring and a bullet.

3D printed AR lower receivers can last for hundreds, maybe thousands of rounds.

As to programming 3D printers to not be able to print weapons, there are ways around that. Printing smaller assemblies, making just enough changes for the printer to not recognize the pattern, reprogramming the printer to get rid of the limitation, etc.

[North Arkana]

3d printing the receivers, outer shells, and everything else in a gun but the barrel, bolt, chamber, and springs are pretty much viable options.

[Kernen]

3d printing the receivers, outer shells, and everything else in a gun but the barrel, bolt, chamber, and springs are pretty much viable options.

Depending on the printer and the design, one can print the bolt barrel chamber and springs, too. I'm positive I read an article about a 100% printed firearm being successful. Whether commercial printers can handle that, I don't know. I sure wouldn't trust such a firearm, but I'm almost certain they can be made.

[Gun Manufacturers]

3d printing the receivers, outer shells, and everything else in a gun but the barrel, bolt, chamber, and springs are pretty much viable options.

Depending on the printer and the design, one can print the bolt barrel chamber and springs, too. I'm positive I read an article about a 100% printed firearm being successful. Whether commercial printers can handle that, I don't know. I sure wouldn't trust such a firearm, but I'm almost certain they can be made.

It was a single shot pistol called the Liberator. It lasted for several shots.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Depending on the printer and the design, one can print the bolt barrel chamber and springs, too. I'm positive I read an article about a 100% printed firearm being successful. Whether commercial printers can handle that, I don't know. I sure wouldn't trust such a firearm, but I'm almost certain they can be made.

It was a single shot pistol called the Liberator. It lasted for several shots.

And it's plans are still out there even though the gov tried to get them all taken down, you just have to look.

[Gun Manufacturers]

It was a single shot pistol called the Liberator. It lasted for several shots.

And it's plans are still out there even though the gov tried to get them all taken down, you just have to look.

I'll admit, I downloaded the plans. I don't have a 3D printer, and even if I did, I'd probably never print one up, but I just felt like I should.

[Grinning Dragon]

I think printers already have anti counterfeiting software hard wired into them, it would just require legislation that requires all printers to have anti-weapon software.
And current 3D printer weapons are hardly a threat, you can make something simmilar out of a plastic tube, a spring and a bullet.

3D printed AR lower receivers can last for hundreds, maybe thousands of rounds.

As to programming 3D printers to not be able to print weapons, there are ways around that. Printing smaller assemblies, making just enough changes for the printer to not recognize the pattern, reprogramming the printer to get rid of the limitation, etc.

Even if were possible to program a 3d printer to not print a certain part, will not last long. Jailbreaking or reflashing the firmware to replacing rom chips that can be flashed to software patches/cracks would be leaked out.

[Sociobiology]

Depending on the printer and the design, one can print the bolt barrel chamber and springs, too. I'm positive I read an article about a 100% printed firearm being successful. Whether commercial printers can handle that, I don't know. I sure wouldn't trust such a firearm, but I'm almost certain they can be made.

It was a single shot pistol called the Liberator. It lasted for several shots.

yeah plans for a zip gun woho, you can make one with a pipe and a nail, or a staple gun and some sheet metal.
I'm all for letting idiots blow their hand off.

[Koritha]

We don't need much. Just a full background check and a license. Besides that not much more.

[Dooom35796821595]

3D printed AR lower receivers can last for hundreds, maybe thousands of rounds.

As to programming 3D printers to not be able to print weapons, there are ways around that. Printing smaller assemblies, making just enough changes for the printer to not recognize the pattern, reprogramming the printer to get rid of the limitation, etc.

Even if were possible to program a 3d printer to not print a certain part, will not last long. Jailbreaking or reflashing the firmware to replacing rom chips that can be flashed to software patches/cracks would be leaked out.

Solutions would have to be found to stop it at all levels, from imprisoning the people who make the designs, to the ones who try jailbreaking the firmware. It would also require harsh laws against posessing a printer that has been modified to get around the safeties and is able to manufacture weapon parts.

It's not going to be easy, but if we can't stop people from printing firearms, how will we stop them printing bombs, or bio weapons when the technology matures?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Even if were possible to program a 3d printer to not print a certain part, will not last long. Jailbreaking or reflashing the firmware to replacing rom chips that can be flashed to software patches/cracks would be leaked out.

Solutions would have to be found to stop it at all levels, from imprisoning the people who make the designs, to the ones who try jailbreaking the firmware. It would also require harsh laws against posessing a printer that has been modified to get around the safeties and is able to manufacture weapon parts.

It's not going to be easy, but if we can't stop people from printing firearms, how will we stop them printing bombs, or bio weapons when the technology matures?

Chances are you honestly won't, things like that are really easy to work around and you can just put the files out there for anyone to get. It's like what they did with the Liberator pistol, sure on paper they got rid of it but it doesn't take more than half an hour to find the files to make it.

[Sevvania]

It's not going to be easy, but if we can't stop people from printing firearms, how will we stop them printing bombs, or bio weapons when the technology matures?

It's not something that you can ever stop, unless humanity somehow reaches a state where people no longer wish to harm their fellow man. You can try to make it harder, but 3D printer or not, technology has proliferated to the point where, if somone of ill-intent so desires, they can manufacture something that goes boom with relative ease using day-to-day items.

[Kargintina]

No gun control at all, it just increases the amount of shootings and puts more lives at risk.

[Sevvania]

No gun control at all, it just increases the amount of shootings and puts more lives at risk.

That.... doesn't sound wholly true.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

No gun control at all, it just increases the amount of shootings and puts more lives at risk.

Ah no, that would be a gun prohibition which could lead to an increase rise of mass shootings.

[Neoconstantius]

I'm surprised at these poll results. You've changed, NSG.

[Stellonia]

I'm surprised at these poll results. You've changed, NSG.

You mean that people were more anti-gun on NationStates in the past?

[Omega America II]

I'm surprised at these poll results. You've changed, NSG.

You mean that people were more anti-gun on NationStates in the past?

I don't know how they have ever been on this until recently. There should only be a little gun control.

[Big Jim P]

I'm surprised at these poll results. You've changed, NSG.

More people IRL are wising up and supporting gun rights/self-defense rights over gun control as well. Combining that with the loosening of restrictions on ownership and/or carry in many States, we are moving in the right direction. People are wising up to the anti-gunners bullshit.