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On a scale of 1 to 5, to what measure should firearms be controlled?

[1] Not at all, any gun control at all will lead to a dictatorship!
110
12%
[2] Eh, maybe a bit. Don't let the nutters get guns, but don't take my machine gun from me!
283
31%
[3] Some is fine, I do want to feel safe, guns ARE tools of destruction, but they aren't inherently bad.
247
27%
[4] Guns should only be permitted to be owned by those who have a need for them; ie police and farmers.
195
22%
[5] Ban all the guns, I don't want my children to be indoctrinated into believing these murderous machines can do any good.
66
7%
 
Total votes : 901

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Postby Sevvania » Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:21 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Occupied Deutschland wrote:People being frightened by mundane sights is not anyone's fault but their own.

Walking around with an AK on your back is 'mundane'?
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But, again, you're far more likely to be killed by someone using their bare hands than you are to be killed by someone weilding a rifle. Is it odd to see someone toting a Kalashnikov? Yeah, kinda. But you'd think people would be less scared of that than the idea of someone carrying a handgun, considering the latter is the weapon of choice for criminal activities.

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Explain thousands of dead American soldiers and how groups like the Taliban still exists in that case.

We didn't know the terrain, culture, or politics in the area. Might have something to do with it.
And even then the kill death ratio very much favored American soldiers.

As was the case in Vietnam. But America didn't win Vietnam.
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Postby Katyuscha » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:04 pm

This much: \0/
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Postby Sevvania » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:19 pm

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:39 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Pychoticland wrote:I actually prefer open carry to concealed carry by far. If you want to carry a gun, fine as long as you are a law-abiding and sane individual but people should know

Waving a gun around and Open Carry have the same effect of scaring and intimidating people.
It is in no way safer then concealed carry as it is extremely disruptive.


Strange that this is not the case where OC is common, such as Arizona.

The reason people have a problem with OC is they have been conditioned (by the media) to assume gun=bad.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Jul 25, 2015 2:47 pm

Interesting. 91% chose the first option: "Yes! The Second Amendment guarantees it."
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:41 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Waving a gun around and Open Carry have the same effect of scaring and intimidating people.
It is in no way safer then concealed carry as it is extremely disruptive.


Strange that this is not the case where OC is common, such as Arizona.

The reason people have a problem with OC is they have been conditioned (by the media) to assume gun=bad.

No the reason is because people rightly believe that a visible gun means that this place is about to be robbed.

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Postby Esternial » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:46 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Waving a gun around and Open Carry have the same effect of scaring and intimidating people.
It is in no way safer then concealed carry as it is extremely disruptive.


Strange that this is not the case where OC is common, such as Arizona.

The reason people have a problem with OC is they have been conditioned (by the media) to assume gun=bad.

And they shouuuuuld...welcome it with open arms? (huehue)

Maybe it's not a bad thing that people are cautious of guns. Maybe over-cautious, sometimes, but better too much than not enough.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:49 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Waving a gun around and Open Carry have the same effect of scaring and intimidating people.
It is in no way safer then concealed carry as it is extremely disruptive.


Strange that this is not the case where OC is common, such as Arizona.

The reason people have a problem with OC is they have been conditioned (by the media) to assume gun=bad.


Or perhaps people have a problem with people carrying around tools of death? Would you get spooked if you saw a hooded figure carrying a scythe? :)

I get nervous when walking past armed police in the UK, and they are held to the highest standard and trained by the SAS.
So some stupid civi waltzing around with an AK, may as well be Somalia.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:51 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Strange that this is not the case where OC is common, such as Arizona.

The reason people have a problem with OC is they have been conditioned (by the media) to assume gun=bad.


Or perhaps people have a problem with people carrying around tools of death? Would you get spooked if you saw a hooded figure carrying a scythe? :)

I get nervous when walking past armed police in the UK, and they are held to the highest standard and trained by the SAS.
So some stupid civi waltzing around with an AK, may as well be Somalia.


Seeing someone with a gun doesn't bother me at all.
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:53 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Strange that this is not the case where OC is common, such as Arizona.

The reason people have a problem with OC is they have been conditioned (by the media) to assume gun=bad.


Or perhaps people have a problem with people carrying around tools of death? Would you get spooked if you saw a hooded figure carrying a scythe? :)

I get nervous when walking past armed police in the UK, and they are held to the highest standard and trained by the SAS.
So some stupid civi waltzing around with an AK, may as well be Somalia.


cause your in the UK and your country has defamed guns and put into ignorance

your entire experience is based off of fear of the unknown.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 4:56 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Or perhaps people have a problem with people carrying around tools of death? Would you get spooked if you saw a hooded figure carrying a scythe? :)

I get nervous when walking past armed police in the UK, and they are held to the highest standard and trained by the SAS.
So some stupid civi waltzing around with an AK, may as well be Somalia.


cause your in the UK and your country has defamed guns and put into ignorance

your entire experience is based off of fear of the unknown.


No, I'm well aware of what a firearm is and what it can do. I'm also aware of what a person can do with one.
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Postby Omega America II » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:10 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
cause your in the UK and your country has defamed guns and put into ignorance

your entire experience is based off of fear of the unknown.


No, I'm well aware of what a firearm is and what it can do. I'm also aware of what a person can do with one.

Are you aware what a person can do with a knife? Or with their bare hands?
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:11 pm

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Dooom35796821595 wrote:
No, I'm well aware of what a firearm is and what it can do. I'm also aware of what a person can do with one.

Are you aware what a person can do with a knife? Or with their bare hands?


Just curious, how much training does it take to kill a person in 20 seconds, without them having any ability to respond?

Same goes with a knife.

Oh and they are aware of your intent to kill them, though they are unarmed.

Guns are more deadly than knives and your hands. That is a simple fact.
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Postby Omega America II » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:14 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Omega America II wrote:Are you aware what a person can do with a knife? Or with their bare hands?


Just curious, how much training does it take to kill a person in 20 seconds, without them having any ability to respond?

Same goes with a knife.

Oh and they are aware of your intent to kill them, though they are unarmed.

Guns are more deadly than knives and your hands. That is a simple fact.

So, that means that they can protect people better. People don't have to be close to a person to defend themselves.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:15 pm

Omega America II wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
No, I'm well aware of what a firearm is and what it can do. I'm also aware of what a person can do with one.

Are you aware what a person can do with a knife? Or with their bare hands?


Absolutely. I also know that to be effective outside a short range blitz attack takes a lot of training and experiance, and has a range of about 21 feet. (Not Including throwing knives)

It's the sort of argument that when reversed is suggesting that because you allow people to own firearms, then why not explosives and RPGs.
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Postby Omega America II » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:18 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Omega America II wrote:Are you aware what a person can do with a knife? Or with their bare hands?


Absolutely. I also know that to be effective outside a short range blitz attack takes a lot of training and experiance, and has a range of about 21 feet. (Not Including throwing knives)

It's the sort of argument that when reversed is suggesting that because you allow people to own firearms, then why not explosives and RPGs.

Explosives can cause more damage. Guns can give more protection.
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:21 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
cause your in the UK and your country has defamed guns and put into ignorance

your entire experience is based off of fear of the unknown.


No, I'm well aware of what a firearm is and what it can do. I'm also aware of what a person can do with one.


It's a sad day when you live your life in fear of the small chance that you might happen to be involved in fatal shooting

perhaps they have medication for this.
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Postby The 502nd SS » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:23 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Strange that this is not the case where OC is common, such as Arizona.

The reason people have a problem with OC is they have been conditioned (by the media) to assume gun=bad.

No the reason is because people rightly believe that a visible gun means that this place is about to be robbed.

If you saw this woman would you think she is about to rob the store?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:28 pm

Omega America II wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Absolutely. I also know that to be effective outside a short range blitz attack takes a lot of training and experiance, and has a range of about 21 feet. (Not Including throwing knives)

It's the sort of argument that when reversed is suggesting that because you allow people to own firearms, then why not explosives and RPGs.

Explosives can cause more damage. Guns can give more protection.


No, guns allow untrained, inexperienced people the ability to kill multiple people at a moderate distance with minimal effort. And your car runs on explosives. Don't forget that the protection you describe still depends on the threat of deadly force, ergo killing, while hand to hand is very hard to kill someone without deliberate intent.
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:31 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Omega America II wrote:Explosives can cause more damage. Guns can give more protection.


No, guns allow untrained, inexperienced people the ability to kill multiple people at a moderate distance with minimal effort. And your car runs on explosives. Don't forget that the protection you describe still depends on the threat of deadly force, ergo killing, while hand to hand is very hard to kill someone without deliberate intent.



oh guns don't give more protection?

tell me more about how the secret service shouldn't use guns to protect people.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:43 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
No, guns allow untrained, inexperienced people the ability to kill multiple people at a moderate distance with minimal effort. And your car runs on explosives. Don't forget that the protection you describe still depends on the threat of deadly force, ergo killing, while hand to hand is very hard to kill someone without deliberate intent.



oh guns don't give more protection?

tell me more about how the secret service shouldn't use guns to protect people.


People? You mean the presidency? Besides, I never said they can't, but I did say that protection entails killing another person. Besides, the secret service are an organisation that protect others, even if it requires their own life be sacrificed. Hardly an advocate for letting civilians open carry to protect themselves.
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:46 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:

oh guns don't give more protection?

tell me more about how the secret service shouldn't use guns to protect people.


People? You mean the presidency? Besides, I never said they can't, but I did say that protection entails killing another person. Besides, the secret service are an organisation that protect others, even if it requires their own life be sacrificed. Hardly an advocate for letting civilians open carry to protect themselves.


so my life isn't important

im pretty sure i have the same right to defend myself and live as the president.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:47 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
People? You mean the presidency? Besides, I never said they can't, but I did say that protection entails killing another person. Besides, the secret service are an organisation that protect others, even if it requires their own life be sacrificed. Hardly an advocate for letting civilians open carry to protect themselves.


so my life isn't important

im pretty sure i have the same right to defend myself and live as the president.


Does the president carry a firearm?
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Jul 25, 2015 5:47 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:
so my life isn't important

im pretty sure i have the same right to defend myself and live as the president.


Does the president carry a firearm?


silly arguement

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