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On a scale of 1 to 5, to what measure should firearms be controlled?

[1] Not at all, any gun control at all will lead to a dictatorship!
110
12%
[2] Eh, maybe a bit. Don't let the nutters get guns, but don't take my machine gun from me!
283
31%
[3] Some is fine, I do want to feel safe, guns ARE tools of destruction, but they aren't inherently bad.
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[4] Guns should only be permitted to be owned by those who have a need for them; ie police and farmers.
195
22%
[5] Ban all the guns, I don't want my children to be indoctrinated into believing these murderous machines can do any good.
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7%
 
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:29 pm

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Noraika wrote:Other than active duty military personnel, and specialist squads within the police forces, I oppose the idea of letting anyone who does not need a firearm for subsistence own a firearm, with strict regulations for ownership and heavy penalties for those who own illegal firearms, and with a policy focus in reducing the need for subsistence firearms. Overall the population should be unarmed, and the police and government should disarm alongside them except in the areas where it proves absolutely necessary (such as the military, for example).


The day that goes into effect, is the day that I get a hunting license.

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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:36 pm

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And, to my knowledge, if you had the cash, you could legally obtain them. You're not going to get any live warheads, though.

It's not illegal to buy and own nuclear warheads as a civilian in the US.
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Postby North Calaveras » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:38 pm

i hate how the second option says " I want to feel safe"

...must be nice to want to base laws off of how you woke up with feelings one day.
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Postby Stellonia » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:03 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Sevvania wrote:And, to my knowledge, if you had the cash, you could legally obtain them. You're not going to get any live warheads, though.

It's not illegal to buy and own nuclear warheads as a civilian in the US.

How much would it cost to obtain and maintain a nuclear warhead in the Houston area, and what limitations are there upon my ownership of nuclear warheads?

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Postby The Krogan » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:50 am

..... Who would want a nuclear warhead
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:59 am

Stellonia wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:It's not illegal to buy and own nuclear warheads as a civilian in the US.

How much would it cost to obtain and maintain a nuclear warhead in the Houston area, and what limitations are there upon my ownership of nuclear warheads?


It would probably involve a FBI swat team kicking down your door in the dead of night and dragging you off to the new gitmo equivilent. :p
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Postby Godular » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:26 am

The Krogan wrote:..... Who would want a nuclear warhead


North Korea?
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Postby The Krogan » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:33 am

Godular wrote:
The Krogan wrote:..... Who would want a nuclear warhead


North Korea?


I meant why would he want a nuclear warhead
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:49 am

The Krogan wrote:
Godular wrote:
North Korea?


I meant why would he want a nuclear warhead


I'd want one...
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Postby Sevvania » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:09 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Krogan wrote:
I meant why would he want a nuclear warhead


I'd want one...

That's just silly.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:11 am

Yukonastan wrote:
Sevvania wrote:And, to my knowledge, if you had the cash, you could legally obtain them. You're not going to get any live warheads, though.

It's not illegal to buy and own nuclear warheads as a civilian in the US.

Good luck on obtaining one legally.
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Postby Stellonia » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:17 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:It's not illegal to buy and own nuclear warheads as a civilian in the US.

Good luck on obtaining one legally.

Who said I have to obtain my warheads legally?
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Postby The Krogan » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:20 am

Stellonia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Good luck on obtaining one legally.

Who said I have to obtain my warheads legally?


Good luck on obtaining one illegally then
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:24 am

Yukonastan wrote:
Sevvania wrote:And, to my knowledge, if you had the cash, you could legally obtain them. You're not going to get any live warheads, though.

It's not illegal to buy and own nuclear warheads as a civilian in the US.

Yes it is. There are no laws making it illegal to buy or own a nuclear weapon, however a number of materials needed to make a nuclear weapon are highly regulated. The obvious bits being the radioactive materials required for fusion and the explosives required to start the chain reaction. You aren't going to combine the materials needed to make a nuclear bomb without getting arrested for a bunch of other crimes.

So sure, when your arrested you won't be tried for "owning a nuclear bomb" you will be charged with "owning prohibited explosives," "owning prohibited nuclear materials," "misuse of nuclear materials," "misuse of explosives." Or something along those lines.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:50 pm

The Krogan wrote:..... Who would want a nuclear warhead


I wouldn't. I like to take things apart, and taking apart a nuclear warhead would end badly for me. I mean, what if I can't get it reassembled correctly? That would kill the resale value.
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Postby Pychoticland » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:21 am

Genivaria wrote:Lets see now...first off I completely oppose Open Carry of firearms in public as it seems to only serve to allow thugs to intimidate people.
I also think that gun shows should be more regulated and that they should have to face the same restrictions that gun stores do.
I also think some kind of registry should be implemented, not for all gun owners of course, maybe just have a list for anyone who owns more then say 5 guns in their homes or something so that these things can be properly investigated.

Recreation? Hunting? Home Defense? No problem.
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I actually prefer open carry to concealed carry by far. If you want to carry a gun, fine as long as you are a law-abiding and sane individual but people should know

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Genivaria wrote:Lets see now...first off I completely oppose Open Carry of firearms in public as it seems to only serve to allow thugs to intimidate people.
I also think that gun shows should be more regulated and that they should have to face the same restrictions that gun stores do.
I also think some kind of registry should be implemented, not for all gun owners of course, maybe just have a list for anyone who owns more then say 5 guns in their homes or something so that these things can be properly investigated.

Recreation? Hunting? Home Defense? No problem.
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I actually prefer open carry to concealed carry by far. If you want to carry a gun, fine as long as you are a law-abiding and sane individual but people should know

Waving a gun around and Open Carry have the same effect of scaring and intimidating people.
It is in no way safer then concealed carry as it is extremely disruptive.
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Postby Roderia » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:55 am

I always love how so many people think that if the people have guns, that will prevent a dictatorship. Like, you know the government has tanks and drones right? Your civilian militia is gonna get fucked by tanks and drones.
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Postby Sevvania » Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:15 am

Roderia wrote:I always love how so many people think that if the people have guns, that will prevent a dictatorship. Like, you know the government has tanks and drones right? Your civilian militia is gonna get fucked by tanks and drones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla ... ganization

"Going to war with the state" isn't high on the list of reasons I advocate for gun ownership, but tanks and drones are hardly omnipotent. Guerrilla wars are very, very hard to win, especially when the opposition is integrated into the civilian populace and is often indistinguishable from the noncombatants. Tanks need infantry support. Drones need to be able to tell who the targets are, otherwise you blow up a wedding and make people angry. The US has had enough trouble fighting against guerrillas on foreign soil, I can only imagine how much more difficult things could be if it had to fight them at home.
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Genivaria wrote:
Pychoticland wrote:I actually prefer open carry to concealed carry by far. If you want to carry a gun, fine as long as you are a law-abiding and sane individual but people should know

Waving a gun around and Open Carry have the same effect of scaring and intimidating people...

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Genivaria wrote:Waving a gun around and Open Carry have the same effect of scaring and intimidating people...

People being frightened by mundane sights is not anyone's fault but their own.

Walking around with an AK on your back is 'mundane'?
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Postby Ratateague » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:43 pm

Sevvania wrote:
Roderia wrote:I always love how so many people think that if the people have guns, that will prevent a dictatorship. Like, you know the government has tanks and drones right? Your civilian militia is gonna get fucked by tanks and drones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla ... ganization

"Going to war with the state" isn't high on the list of reasons I advocate for gun ownership, but tanks and drones are hardly omnipotent. Guerrilla wars are very, very hard to win, especially when the opposition is integrated into the civilian populace and is often indistinguishable from the noncombatants. Tanks need infantry support. Drones need to be able to tell who the targets are, otherwise you blow up a wedding and make people angry. The US has had enough trouble fighting against guerrillas on foreign soil, I can only imagine how much more difficult things could be if it had to fight them at home.

Active Denial Systems, communications jamming, "invisible cloaks", etc. kind of solve that problem. It's kind of hard to hide when feel like you are experiencing a third-degree burn. It's an old argument, and does not hold up to the technological reality of the 21st century.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:48 pm

Ratateague wrote:
Sevvania wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla ... ganization

"Going to war with the state" isn't high on the list of reasons I advocate for gun ownership, but tanks and drones are hardly omnipotent. Guerrilla wars are very, very hard to win, especially when the opposition is integrated into the civilian populace and is often indistinguishable from the noncombatants. Tanks need infantry support. Drones need to be able to tell who the targets are, otherwise you blow up a wedding and make people angry. The US has had enough trouble fighting against guerrillas on foreign soil, I can only imagine how much more difficult things could be if it had to fight them at home.

Active Denial Systems, communications jamming, "invisible cloaks", etc. kind of solve that problem. It's kind of hard to hide when feel like you are experiencing a third-degree burn. It's an old argument, and does not hold up to the technological reality of the 21st century.


Explain thousands of dead American soldiers and how groups like the Taliban still exists in that case.
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Postby Ratateague » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:53 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ratateague wrote:Active Denial Systems, communications jamming, "invisible cloaks", etc. kind of solve that problem. It's kind of hard to hide when feel like you are experiencing a third-degree burn. It's an old argument, and does not hold up to the technological reality of the 21st century.


Explain thousands of dead American soldiers and how groups like the Taliban still exists in that case.

It was still being developed then? We are talking about a potential scenario in the future, are we not? One that is completely irrational and involves hundreds of thousands of complicit actors ignorant of what they are doing to carry out?
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Ratateague wrote:Active Denial Systems, communications jamming, "invisible cloaks", etc. kind of solve that problem. It's kind of hard to hide when feel like you are experiencing a third-degree burn. It's an old argument, and does not hold up to the technological reality of the 21st century.


Explain thousands of dead American soldiers and how groups like the Taliban still exists in that case.

We didn't know the terrain, culture, or politics in the area. Might have something to do with it.
And even then the kill death ratio very much favored American soldiers.
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