[Poll] Gun control - How much?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Target shooting. Although there is a possibility that I will take up hunting (I can always ask my brother in law to teach me, if I can get over my weak stomach). I also enjoy the mechanics of firearms.

I can understand having guns for target shooting an hunting. If, you use them, then keep the securely in a shed, or where ever you keep guns. I just do not understand why people need to carry them around with them.

Sometimes things happen. Some people live/work in a bad area. Others carry for other reasons. IF I carried, it would not be because of a human threat, but a wild animal. There have been sightings of bobcats, a mountain lion or 2, wolves, coyotes, etc in my area, and I wouldn't want to end up being discovered half eaten in a field.

[BK117B2]

Target shooting. Although there is a possibility that I will take up hunting (I can always ask my brother in law to teach me, if I can get over my weak stomach). I also enjoy the mechanics of firearms.

I can understand having guns for target shooting an hunting. If, you use them, then keep the securely in a shed, or where ever you keep guns. I just do not understand why people need to carry them around with them.

Oh, that's easy: there are people in this world who desire to harm others. They are also useful for many other species that might harm you.

[British Accia]

Except a seatbelt does not pose a danger to anyone else, cannot be used accidental and is not intimidating and threatening to those around you.

Yet those around you can also harm you, which is why you can stop them from a far and not get harmed yourself.

And gun regulation means that they can't have guns to harm you with.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yet those around you can also harm you, which is why you can stop them from a far and not get harmed yourself.

And gun regulation means that they can't have guns to harm you with.

You do realize just because you ban guns on paper doesn't mean they all go away and no one is able to get more right?

[British Accia]

And gun regulation means that they can't have guns to harm you with.

You do realize just because you ban guns on paper doesn't mean they all go away and no one is able to get more right?

Yes.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You do realize just because you ban guns on paper doesn't mean they all go away and no one is able to get more right?

Yes.

So how do gun regulations mean people won't have guns to harm other people with? It'd be just like the War on Drugs, they'd still be everywhere.

[British Accia]

Yes.

So how do gun regulations mean people won't have guns to harm other people with? It'd be just like the War on Drugs, they'd still be everywhere.

So, anything that is illegal will still exist. Murder is illegal, it still happens, albeit markably less. So, when something doesn't work, we should just give in?

[Washington Resistance Army]

So how do gun regulations mean people won't have guns to harm other people with? It'd be just like the War on Drugs, they'd still be everywhere.

So, anything that is illegal will still exist. Murder is illegal, it still happens, albeit markably less. So, when something doesn't work, we should just give in?

No, but when something has a larger upside than a downside (gun ownership) it's a pretty good idea to keep it around.

[Egoman]

People do things illegally anyways.

So, murder should be legal because people do it anyway?

Yes.

[Godular]

So how do gun regulations mean people won't have guns to harm other people with? It'd be just like the War on Drugs, they'd still be everywhere.

So, anything that is illegal will still exist. Murder is illegal, it still happens, albeit markably less. So, when something doesn't work, we should just give in?

False equivalence.

[Egoman]

So how do gun regulations mean people won't have guns to harm other people with? It'd be just like the War on Drugs, they'd still be everywhere.

So, anything that is illegal will still exist. Murder is illegal, it still happens, albeit markably less. So, when something doesn't work, we should just give in?

Yes.

[British Accia]

So, anything that is illegal will still exist. Murder is illegal, it still happens, albeit markably less. So, when something doesn't work, we should just give in?

No, but when something has a larger upside than a downside (gun ownership) it's a pretty good idea to keep it around.

Upsides? Other than protecting yourself from harm, what other upsides does carrying a gun around with you 24/7 have? I can think of plenty of downsides.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No, but when something has a larger upside than a downside (gun ownership) it's a pretty good idea to keep it around.

Upsides? Other than protecting yourself from harm, what other upsides does carrying a gun around with you 24/7 have? I can think of plenty of downsides.

I never said carrying a gun 24/7, I have other weapons for that. I just said gun ownership.

[British Accia]

So, anything that is illegal will still exist. Murder is illegal, it still happens, albeit markably less. So, when something doesn't work, we should just give in?

False equivalence.

How?
Guns. If we make guns illegal, there will still be guns. So don't bother.
Murder. If we make murder illegal, there will still be murder. So don't bother.

[British Accia]

Upsides? Other than protecting yourself from harm, what other upsides does carrying a gun around with you 24/7 have? I can think of plenty of downsides.

I never said carrying a gun 24/7, I have other weapons for that. I just said gun ownership.

Okay, my bad. I can appeal slightly more to simple possession.

[British Accia]

So, anything that is illegal will still exist. Murder is illegal, it still happens, albeit markably less. So, when something doesn't work, we should just give in?

Yes.

That's a very pessimistic approach.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I never said carrying a gun 24/7, I have other weapons for that. I just said gun ownership.

Okay, my bad. I can appeal slightly more to simple possession.

There's more than 300,000,000 legally owned guns in the US, if guns were really as dangerous as you seem to believe we wouldn't exist as a country anymore.

[British Accia]

Okay, my bad. I can appeal slightly more to simple possession.

There's more than 300,000,000 legally owned guns in the US, if guns were really as dangerous as you seem to believe we wouldn't exist as a country anymore.

There are around 1.8 million legally own guns in England and Wales, we seem to be functioning just fine. (Its a little over 1 gun per person in US, and 31.666 guns pp in the UK, to put stats in relation to population.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's more than 300,000,000 legally owned guns in the US, if guns were really as dangerous as you seem to believe we wouldn't exist as a country anymore.

There are around 1.8 million legally own guns in England and Wales, we seem to be functioning just fine. (Its a little over 1 gun per person in US, and 31.666 guns pp in the UK, to put stats in relation to population.

The UK also has a pretty different culture from the US. What works for you won't necessarily work for us, and frankly there isn't enough reason for massive gun bans in the US.

[British Accia]

There are around 1.8 million legally own guns in England and Wales, we seem to be functioning just fine. (Its a little over 1 gun per person in US, and 31.666 guns pp in the UK, to put stats in relation to population.

The UK also has a pretty different culture from the US. What works for you won't necessarily work for us, and frankly there isn't enough reason for massive gun bans in the US.

Other than the 71x more gun related homicides in the US related to the UK.

[Egoman]

Yes.

That's a very pessimistic approach.

Let's let people deal with murderers and let evolution do its thing.

[British Accia]

That's a very pessimistic approach.

Let's let people deal with murderers and let evolution do its thing.

And we'll end up with a world full of psychopathic, gun-totting murders?

[Egoman]

Let's let people deal with murderers and let evolution do its thing.

And we'll end up with a world full of psychopathic, gun-totting murders?

What we will end up with is an Übermenschen, who will lead our species to victory. Or death. Probably both.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The UK also has a pretty different culture from the US. What works for you won't necessarily work for us, and frankly there isn't enough reason for massive gun bans in the US.

Other than the 71x more gun related homicides in the US related to the UK.

Which can largely be attributed to poverty, and the failed War on Drugs which gave people lots of reasons to kill each other.

Former (technically still a member but meh) GD here, I know all that jazz firsthand. If we worked on lifting people out of poverty and had better mental health systems those numbers would drop drastically.

[British Accia]

And we'll end up with a world full of psychopathic, gun-totting murders?

What we will end up with is an Übermenschen, who will lead our species to victory. Or death. Probably both.

So your idea of the best human is a psychotic gun wielding killer?