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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:53 pm

Solaas wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Huh, here I was thinking that when a couple of my friends and I expressed interest in filming videos and starting a porn site, we were just talking about having some fun and getting paid for it. I didn't realize that we were all oppressing each other. Silly me believing that some people can actually want to get paid to act out sexual fantasies on camera.


At certain extent, that could be still viewed as a form of economical coercion enforced by the society on you and your friends: you need to turn sex in money.
But, obiousvly, that isn't coercion by you on your friends or viceversa.
Still, the example clearly shows the strong ties between pornography and prostitution: people who would buy such movies would be purchasers of sex acts recorded for the mere purpose of making money, not exactly like a purchaser of women's bodies like in prostitution, but still worrying.

I see "Anarchist" in your signature, and frankly I find it quite weird, given the fact you're just admitting to wondering about starting a little porn industry.
Capitalism is economic coercion and needs to be abolished. I agree to that. However, there are different types of coercion that need to be recognized, and they have different magnitudes of effect. The coercion of capitalism is a subtle one that, albeit harmful, is not as violent as coercion as society generally views it, which is the imposition of a threat of direct bodily harm to you or those you care about. This is a type of coercion that is unacceptable in all circumstances. As we live in a capitalist society however, trying to abstain from economic activity entirely to avoid coercion is simply unworkable. To reject it is to give in to it and suffer from it yourself. If we are to recognize that all capitalist businesses are violent, then we must recognize that it is the least violent businesses that are most acceptable. This would be a business run by the people working there. In other words we would be operating on a socialist model within a capitalist economy. This isn't victimization, it's fighting the system in the only way that doesn't make us victims of it. Yes, porn and prostitution both often involve sex for money, though they also are both more harmful by their illegality than their legality. In our case, we aren't people that are being forced by our economic burden to have sex for money. We all like sex, a lot of us play with each other already, and several of us enjoy being watched, so we concluded "Why the hell don't we film this and get some extra money?"
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Postby Napkiraly » Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:53 pm

Solaas wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
It is the same coercion that exists for any person who does not have a lot of money. We do not call needing a job to make money coercion when it comes to jobs like construction, I fail to see why we should for prostitution.


Because jobs like construction do not offend all women treating them as sexual objects.
Because consent to being hired in a job is a thing that is totally different from consent to have sex.
This is also an answer to Kelinfort.

Not all women are offended by porn. Not all porn is the over the top kind.

It take it you have never heard of female friendly porn.

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Postby Ashkera » Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:37 pm

We might make the same argument about poor men joining the military, or doing any high-risk job. Male objectification is about being a disposable object of utility.
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Postby The Krogan » Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:53 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Solaas wrote:
At certain extent, that could be still viewed as a form of economical coercion enforced by the society on you and your friends: you need to turn sex in money.
But, obiousvly, that isn't coercion by you on your friends or viceversa.
Still, the example clearly shows the strong ties between pornography and prostitution: people who would buy such movies would be purchasers of sex acts recorded for the mere purpose of making money, not exactly like a purchaser of women's bodies like in prostitution, but still worrying.

I see "Anarchist" in your signature, and frankly I find it quite weird, given the fact you're just admitting to wondering about starting a little porn industry.
Capitalism is economic coercion and needs to be abolished. I agree to that. However, there are different types of coercion that need to be recognized, and they have different magnitudes of effect. The coercion of capitalism is a subtle one that, albeit harmful, is not as violent as coercion as society generally views it, which is the imposition of a threat of direct bodily harm to you or those you care about. This is a type of coercion that is unacceptable in all circumstances. As we live in a capitalist society however, trying to abstain from economic activity entirely to avoid coercion is simply unworkable. To reject it is to give in to it and suffer from it yourself. If we are to recognize that all capitalist businesses are violent, then we must recognize that it is the least violent businesses that are most acceptable. This would be a business run by the people working there. In other words we would be operating on a socialist model within a capitalist economy. This isn't victimization, it's fighting the system in the only way that doesn't make us victims of it. Yes, porn and prostitution both often involve sex for money, though they also are both more harmful by their illegality than their legality. In our case, we aren't people that are being forced by our economic burden to have sex for money. We all like sex, a lot of us play with each other already, and several of us enjoy being watched, so we concluded "Why the hell don't we film this and get some extra money?"


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Postby Kisinger » Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:55 pm

The Krogan wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Capitalism is economic coercion and needs to be abolished. I agree to that. However, there are different types of coercion that need to be recognized, and they have different magnitudes of effect. The coercion of capitalism is a subtle one that, albeit harmful, is not as violent as coercion as society generally views it, which is the imposition of a threat of direct bodily harm to you or those you care about. This is a type of coercion that is unacceptable in all circumstances. As we live in a capitalist society however, trying to abstain from economic activity entirely to avoid coercion is simply unworkable. To reject it is to give in to it and suffer from it yourself. If we are to recognize that all capitalist businesses are violent, then we must recognize that it is the least violent businesses that are most acceptable. This would be a business run by the people working there. In other words we would be operating on a socialist model within a capitalist economy. This isn't victimization, it's fighting the system in the only way that doesn't make us victims of it. Yes, porn and prostitution both often involve sex for money, though they also are both more harmful by their illegality than their legality. In our case, we aren't people that are being forced by our economic burden to have sex for money. We all like sex, a lot of us play with each other already, and several of us enjoy being watched, so we concluded "Why the hell don't we film this and get some extra money?"


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Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:13 pm

BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:48 pm

Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.
While porn addiction is most certainly a thing that can happen to select few people, I fail to see what is "obviously immoral" about it.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:05 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.
While porn addiction is most certainly a thing that can happen to select few people, I fail to see what is "obviously immoral" about it.


I am not so sure porn addiction actually happens, at least not in the large numbers people claim it to happen. Plus, if I recall it isn't an actual diagnosis.
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Postby Filimons » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:50 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.

So are cat videos. ;)
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Postby Stormwrath » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:09 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.

Explain?

Last I checked, everything else on the internet that's viral is a negative distraction to the workforce.

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Postby Kisinger » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:24 am

Stormwrath wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.

Explain?

Last I checked, everything else on the internet that's viral is a negative distraction to the workforce.

Logical conclusion=Ban internet
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Postby Stormwrath » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:14 am

Kisinger wrote:
Stormwrath wrote:Explain?

Last I checked, everything else on the internet that's viral is a negative distraction to the workforce.

Logical conclusion=Ban internet

You do know I commented out of sarcasm, right?

And was your comment also sarcastic?

Wait, no? You're serious!? That's like cutting off the elixir of life to MILLIONS of people!!!

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Postby Egoman » Mon Jul 13, 2015 3:15 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.

We have another believer in the moral religion over here. What anyone does is none of your concern, TSU. I've seen you advocate drug and alcohol bans as well. Good luck with everything you're planning to ban.

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Postby The Krogan » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:54 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.


Nation States is a distraction to the work force and pretty addictive as well.
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Postby Calimera II » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:55 am

Threlizdun wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.
While porn addiction is most certainly a thing that can happen to select few people, I fail to see what is "obviously immoral" about it.

Sarcasm.

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Postby Egoman » Mon Jul 13, 2015 4:57 am

Calimera II wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:While porn addiction is most certainly a thing that can happen to select few people, I fail to see what is "obviously immoral" about it.

Sarcasm.

I wouldn't be too sure about it, seeing as TSU has been ban-happy in the past a lot.

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Postby United facist States of America » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:07 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.

All forms of entertainment are also a distraction to the workforce, so ban all entertainment.
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Postby Zachary Nichols » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:15 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.

Obviously!
Shall we start up caffeine-addiction rehabilitation centers too, my friend?

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Postby The Krogan » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:15 am

Zachary Nichols wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.

Obviously!
Shall we start up caffeine-addiction rehabilitation centers too, my friend?


Those exist don't they?
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Postby Egoman » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:16 am

The Krogan wrote:
Zachary Nichols wrote:Obviously!
Shall we start up caffeine-addiction rehabilitation centers too, my friend?


Those exist don't they?

Moreover, caffeine addiction is also very possible. It is also possible to die from it.

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Postby Zachary Nichols » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:19 am

Egoman wrote:
The Krogan wrote:
Those exist don't they?

Moreover, caffeine addiction is also very possible. It is also possible to die from it.

Drown yourself in coffee? Or maybe scald your oesophagus till the skin peels off?

Well, people don't die from pornography addiction is the point.

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Postby Egoman » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:25 am

Zachary Nichols wrote:
Egoman wrote:Moreover, caffeine addiction is also very possible. It is also possible to die from it.

Drown yourself in coffee? Or maybe scald your oesophagus till the skin peels off?

Well, people don't die from pornography addiction is the point.

Caffeine poisoning.

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Postby Vashtanaraada » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:11 am

Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.


It's a perfectly acceptable source of leisure, especially if one is single. Having a high sex drive is often natural - otherwise it is up to the individual to seek out help.
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Postby Vashtanaraada » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:12 am

Egoman wrote:
Zachary Nichols wrote:Drown yourself in coffee? Or maybe scald your oesophagus till the skin peels off?

Well, people don't die from pornography addiction is the point.

Caffeine poisoning.


I'm sure that's very rare.
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Postby Egoman » Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:13 am

Vashtanaraada wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:BAN!

Pornography is obviously immoral and is a strong negative distraction to the workforce. I think we also need to start up porn addiction rehabilitation centers.


It's a perfectly acceptable source of leisure, especially if one is single. Having a high sex drive is often natural - otherwise it is up to the individual to seek out help.

To add, I don't even need porn to pleasure myself, which, if nothing else, renders any porn illegalization useless.

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