To Porn or not To Porn? That is the Question

[Aelex]

Who knew jobs where a form of blackmail.

Just think about it, the whole working class is getting blackmailed to make money.... Wonderful isn't it?

C'est la lutte finale...

[United facist States of America]

As well as porn directed by queer feminist women that make body positivity, respect, and consent the primary themes of their work apparently.

And these queer "feminist" women enforce "consent" through economical blackmail (coercion, you know? Sex obtained through coercion is rape, you know, these things....), and that's their idea of "respect".
Apparently...

If two partners wish to record their "performance" and share it for free with few friends or even with all the world: that should be allowed.
Otherwise, with economical blackmail, it's coercion.

So jobs are a form of blackmail? I'm sure employers will be glad to hear that they shouldn't pay their workers anything because it's "blackmail".

[Kisinger]

Just think about it, the whole working class is getting blackmailed to make money.... Wonderful isn't it?

C'est la lutte finale...

[Ashkera]

If a typical capitalist economy amounts to economic blackmail, would porn be okie dokie in a nation with Basic Income?

There's something to be said work-or-starve tainting the work system with an undercurrent of coercion, where it doesn't matter that no one in particular is holding the gun if the consequence for disobedience is death... but that same argument also applies to burger flippers and everyone else that's low on the skills totem pole. I mean, what about the literally life-threateningly dangerous jobs that kill people? If we're going that route, shouldn't we be more offended about that?

[Napkiraly]

As well as porn directed by queer feminist women that make body positivity, respect, and consent the primary themes of their work apparently.

And these queer "feminist" women enforce "consent" through economical blackmail (coercion, you know? Sex obtained through coercion is rape, you know, these things....), and that's their idea of "respect".
Apparently...

If two partners wish to record their "performance" and share it for free with few friends or even with all the world: that should be allowed.
Otherwise, with economical blackmail, it's coercion.

Withholding pay or firing someone for not doing their job isn't coercion. By this logic everyone who has ever been fired for not doing their job has been coerced.

[Threlizdun]

As well as porn directed by queer feminist women that make body positivity, respect, and consent the primary themes of their work apparently.

And these queer "feminist" women enforce "consent" through economical blackmail (coercion, you know? Sex obtained through coercion is rape, you know, these things....), and that's their idea of "respect".
Apparently...

If two partners wish to record their "performance" and share it for free with few friends or even with all the world: that should be allowed.
Otherwise, with economical blackmail, it's coercion.

Huh, here I was thinking that when a couple of my friends and I expressed interest in filming videos and starting a porn site, we were just talking about having some fun and getting paid for it. I didn't realize that we were all oppressing each other. Silly me believing that some people can actually want to get paid to act out sexual fantasies on camera.

[Deanson]

Pornography between two (or more, or less) consenting adults should be legal period, there is no reason to ban it outside of "moral decency," which is way too subjective and usually way too deriving from religious doctrine to actually be taken seriously.

I still think CP should be illegal, as well as actual rape-porn (e.g. not the kind where its acted out for a fantasy, but a showing of legit rape). And I still think some minor regulation is needed as with any other industry to ensure the porno employees get their basic worker rights.

[Galloism]

And these queer "feminist" women enforce "consent" through economical blackmail (coercion, you know? Sex obtained through coercion is rape, you know, these things....), and that's their idea of "respect".
Apparently...

If two partners wish to record their "performance" and share it for free with few friends or even with all the world: that should be allowed.
Otherwise, with economical blackmail, it's coercion.

Huh, here I was thinking that when a couple of my friends and I expressed interest in filming videos and starting a porn site, we were just talking about having some fun and getting paid for it. I didn't realize that we were all oppressing each other. Silly me believing that some people can actually want to get paid to act out sexual fantasies on camera.

Porn is theft, money is rape, Communist Zombie Queen Victoria 2016!

[Kelinfort]

As well as porn directed by queer feminist women that make body positivity, respect, and consent the primary themes of their work apparently.

And these queer "feminist" women enforce "consent" through economical blackmail (coercion, you know? Sex obtained through coercion is rape, you know, these things....), and that's their idea of "respect".
Apparently...

If two partners wish to record their "performance" and share it for free with few friends or even with all the world: that should be allowed.
Otherwise, with economical blackmail, it's coercion.

Everything is coercion.

Ban all sex acts, they are a tool of oppression and patriarchy. Your body is coercing me to have sex with you!!!!!!

[Nordenkalt]

I don't think there should be any restrictions on porn but anyone under the age of 18 performing in sexual acts (even outside of the industry) must prove their consent

[Solaas]

And these queer "feminist" women enforce "consent" through economical blackmail (coercion, you know? Sex obtained through coercion is rape, you know, these things....), and that's their idea of "respect".
Apparently...

If two partners wish to record their "performance" and share it for free with few friends or even with all the world: that should be allowed.
Otherwise, with economical blackmail, it's coercion.

Huh, here I was thinking that when a couple of my friends and I expressed interest in filming videos and starting a porn site, we were just talking about having some fun and getting paid for it. I didn't realize that we were all oppressing each other. Silly me believing that some people can actually want to get paid to act out sexual fantasies on camera.

At certain extent, that could be still viewed as a form of economical coercion enforced by the society on you and your friends: you need to turn sex in money.
But, obiousvly, that isn't coercion by you on your friends or viceversa.
Still, the example clearly shows the strong ties between pornography and prostitution: people who would buy such movies would be purchasers of sex acts recorded for the mere purpose of making money, not exactly like a purchaser of women's bodies like in prostitution, but still worrying.

I see "Anarchist" in your signature, and frankly I find it quite weird, given the fact you're just admitting to wondering about starting a little porn industry.

Everything is coercion.

Ban all sex acts, they are a tool of oppression and patriarchy. Your body is coercing me to have sex with you!!!!!!

Last line, last line it's a masterpiece
You're still my preferred anti-feminist.

[Neutraligon]

Huh, here I was thinking that when a couple of my friends and I expressed interest in filming videos and starting a porn site, we were just talking about having some fun and getting paid for it. I didn't realize that we were all oppressing each other. Silly me believing that some people can actually want to get paid to act out sexual fantasies on camera.

At certain extent, that could be still viewed as a form of economical coercion enforced by the society on you and your friends: you need to turn sex in money.
But, obiousvly, that isn't coercion by you on your friends or viceversa.
Still, the example clearly shows the strong ties between pornography and prostitution: people who would buy such movies would be purchasers of sex acts recorded for the mere purpose of making money, not exactly like a purchaser of women's bodies like in prostitution, but still worrying.

I see "Anarchist" in your signature, and frankly I find it quite weird, given the fact you're just admitting to wondering about starting a little porn industry.

Everything is coercion.

Ban all sex acts, they are a tool of oppression and patriarchy. Your body is coercing me to have sex with you!!!!!!

Last line, last line it's a masterpiece
You're still my preferred anti-feminist.

Since I am not so sure what is wrong with prostitution, as long as the people are there voluntarily (ie no coercion) and there are regulations to ensure the health and safety of the workers.

[The Mediterranean Republic]

What reason is there to ban it other than you are an extremist member of a cult known as Evangelical America.
We should ban evangelical christians and send them to a concentration camp.

[Kelinfort]

Huh, here I was thinking that when a couple of my friends and I expressed interest in filming videos and starting a porn site, we were just talking about having some fun and getting paid for it. I didn't realize that we were all oppressing each other. Silly me believing that some people can actually want to get paid to act out sexual fantasies on camera.

At certain extent, that could be still viewed as a form of economical coercion enforced by the society on you and your friends: you need to turn sex in money.
But, obiousvly, that isn't coercion by you on your friends or viceversa.
Still, the example clearly shows the strong ties between pornography and prostitution: people who would buy such movies would be purchasers of sex acts recorded for the mere purpose of making money, not exactly like a purchaser of women's bodies like in prostitution, but still worrying.

I see "Anarchist" in your signature, and frankly I find it quite weird, given the fact you're just admitting to wondering about starting a little porn industry.

Everything is coercion.

Ban all sex acts, they are a tool of oppression and patriarchy. Your body is coercing me to have sex with you!!!!!!

Last line, last line it's a masterpiece
You're still my preferred anti-feminist.

Now even attraction represents coercion.

[Napkiraly]

At certain extent, that could be still viewed as a form of economical coercion enforced by the society on you and your friends: you need to turn sex in money.
But, obiousvly, that isn't coercion by you on your friends or viceversa.
Still, the example clearly shows the strong ties between pornography and prostitution: people who would buy such movies would be purchasers of sex acts recorded for the mere purpose of making money, not exactly like a purchaser of women's bodies like in prostitution, but still worrying.

I see "Anarchist" in your signature, and frankly I find it quite weird, given the fact you're just admitting to wondering about starting a little porn industry.



Last line, last line it's a masterpiece
You're still my preferred anti-feminist.

Since I am not so sure what is wrong with prostitution, as long as the people are there voluntarily (ie no coercion) and there are regulations to ensure the health and safety of the workers.

I think the argument goes that people who enter the porn industry (and prostitution) tend to be in a state of financial insecurity when they do so. So that means coercion. Then there is the fact that they have to perform in order to get money. Which means coercion. All of it means it is all rape.

[Neutraligon]

Since I am not so sure what is wrong with prostitution, as long as the people are there voluntarily (ie no coercion) and there are regulations to ensure the health and safety of the workers.

I think the argument goes that people who enter the porn industry (and prostitution) tend to be in a state of financial insecurity when they do so. So that means coercion. Then there is the fact that they have to perform in order to get money. Which means coercion. All of it means it is all rape.

And those who are poor who get other jobs are in the same sense of financial insecurity when they do so. Similarly those in manual labor jobs have to perform to get money (kinda what a job is...) so still not seeing it.

[Napkiraly]

I think the argument goes that people who enter the porn industry (and prostitution) tend to be in a state of financial insecurity when they do so. So that means coercion. Then there is the fact that they have to perform in order to get money. Which means coercion. All of it means it is all rape.

And those who are poor who get other jobs are in the same sense of financial insecurity when they do so. Similarly those in manual labor jobs have to perform to get money (kinda what a job is...) so still not seeing it.

I didn't say I agreed with, just saying that's the position of SWERF's on this issue.

[Solaas]

Since I am not so sure what is wrong with prostitution, as long as the people are there voluntarily (ie no coercion) and there are regulations to ensure the health and safety of the workers.

I think the argument goes that people who enter the porn industry (and prostitution) tend to be in a state of financial insecurity when they do so. So that means coercion. Then there is the fact that they have to perform in order to get money. Which means coercion. All of it means it is all rape.

Exactly.
You should also note that I'm quite moderate debating these things: I rarely use the words "pornography is always rape" that is used by many other Radical Feminists. I don't think that being coerced into pornography is always the same thing as being raped. I think that most times it's so, but not always. In example the situation presented by Threlizdun it's clearly not rape, not at all. Still, there's coercion.

[Kelinfort]

I think the argument goes that people who enter the porn industry (and prostitution) tend to be in a state of financial insecurity when they do so. So that means coercion. Then there is the fact that they have to perform in order to get money. Which means coercion. All of it means it is all rape.

Exactly.
You should also note that I'm quite moderate debating these things: I rarely use the words "pornography is always rape" that is used by many other Radical Feminists. I don't think that being coerced into pornography is always the same thing as being raped. I think that most times it's so, but not always. In example the situation presented by Threlizdun it's clearly not rape, not at all. Still, there's coercion.

How is a financially secure individual who willing does pornography coerced into doing so?

[Neutraligon]

I think the argument goes that people who enter the porn industry (and prostitution) tend to be in a state of financial insecurity when they do so. So that means coercion. Then there is the fact that they have to perform in order to get money. Which means coercion. All of it means it is all rape.

Exactly.
You should also note that I'm quite moderate debating these things: I rarely use the words "pornography is always rape" that is used by many other Radical Feminists. I don't think that being coerced into pornography is always the same thing as being raped. I think that most times it's so, but not always. In example the situation presented by Threlizdun it's clearly not rape, not at all. Still, there's coercion.

It is the same coercion that exists for any person who does not have a lot of money. We do not call needing a job to make money coercion when it comes to jobs like construction, I fail to see why we should for prostitution.

[Solaas]

Exactly.
You should also note that I'm quite moderate debating these things: I rarely use the words "pornography is always rape" that is used by many other Radical Feminists. I don't think that being coerced into pornography is always the same thing as being raped. I think that most times it's so, but not always. In example the situation presented by Threlizdun it's clearly not rape, not at all. Still, there's coercion.

It is the same coercion that exists for any person who does not have a lot of money. We do not call needing a job to make money coercion when it comes to jobs like construction, I fail to see why we should for prostitution.

Because jobs like construction do not offend all women treating them as sexual objects.
Because consent to being hired in a job is a thing that is totally different from consent to have sex.
This is also an answer to Kelinfort.

[Kisinger]

Exactly.
You should also note that I'm quite moderate debating these things: I rarely use the words "pornography is always rape" that is used by many other Radical Feminists. I don't think that being coerced into pornography is always the same thing as being raped. I think that most times it's so, but not always. In example the situation presented by Threlizdun it's clearly not rape, not at all. Still, there's coercion.

How is a financially secure individual who willing does pornography coerced into doing so?

By that logic, everyone who is financially insecure that gets a job was coerced into doing so...
*Nods*
Perfect Logic

[Kelinfort]

It is the same coercion that exists for any person who does not have a lot of money. We do not call needing a job to make money coercion when it comes to jobs like construction, I fail to see why we should for prostitution.

Because jobs like construction do not offend all women treating them as sexual objects.
Because consent to being hired in a job is a thing that is totally different from consent to have sex.
This is also an answer to Kelinfort.

People in porn do not consent to all sex acts and can revoke consent as well. The same civil statues apply. Being employed in porn or sex work doesn't mean you automatically consent to all sex.

[Kisinger]

Because jobs like construction do not offend all women treating them as sexual objects.
Because consent to being hired in a job is a thing that is totally different from consent to have sex.
This is also an answer to Kelinfort.

People in porn do not consent to all sex acts and can revoke consent as well. The same civil statues apply. Being employed in porn or sex work doesn't mean you automatically consent to all sex.

Exactly, it's why you don't see pornstars(regardless of gender) in every genre of porn.

[Napkiraly]

People in porn do not consent to all sex acts and can revoke consent as well. The same civil statues apply. Being employed in porn or sex work doesn't mean you automatically consent to all sex.

Exactly, it's why you don't see pornstars(regardless of gender) in every genre of porn.

It's also why at times it can be a big deal for when big name pornstars do their first X type of sex act (usually bum bum).

They consent to having sex on screen and in return expect money. That's no different from people in the military consenting to being put in harm's way and in return expect money.