To Porn or not To Porn? That is the Question

[The Serbian Empire]

The right consider you as useful tools for their own agenda which in many countries will toss you aside once the job is done. Your kind will probably have power in Sweden, Iceland, and a few other bastions of Scandinavian democracy, but in most places the far right will consider you little more than a tool for the job of creating a theocracy.

Yeah SWERF's have gone full circle and ended up being allies of right-wing bigots. Even use not too different sound bites from time to time.

Someday, the SWERF will be tossed aside by the right wing for being too feminist and they'll have no home to call to.

[United facist States of America]

Banning porn is even more idiotic than banning alcohol or drugs. It's not going to do anything and only fuck things up.


And I hope you realize there are female performers that actually enjoy it.

And it's even harder to enforce.

[Kelinfort]

Yeah SWERF's have gone full circle and ended up being allies of right-wing bigots. Even use not too different sound bites from time to time.

Someday, the SWERF will be tossed aside by the right wing for being too feminist and they'll have no home to call to.

I pray the Third Wave's intersectionalism annihilates the Second Wave's bigotry and institutionalism.

[Napkiraly]

Banning porn is even more idiotic than banning alcohol or drugs. It's not going to do anything and only fuck things up.


And I hope you realize there are female performers that actually enjoy it.

And it's even harder to enforce.

In two different ways. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Unitaristic Regions]

And it's even harder to enforce.

In two different ways. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Huehuehuehue

[Kisinger]

We must destroy the thousand year old cave paintings, Ancient Egyptian Papyruses and Ancient Pottery! They are the greatest threats to equality currently facing the world. Because there totally aren't any countries where women are oppressed in any other way. Down with the Papyruses!

(indeed, Indian culture even created goddess Kali, and I would say she's almost a feminist icon).

How? How is a Goddess of Destruction a Feminist icon?

Sorry to get sidetracked but seriously.... How?

[Unitaristic Regions]

(indeed, Indian culture even created goddess Kali, and I would say she's almost a feminist icon).

How? How is a Goddess of Destruction a Feminist icon?

Sorry to get sidetracked but seriously.... How?

The first feminazi?

[Solaas]

(indeed, Indian culture even created goddess Kali, and I would say she's almost a feminist icon).

How? How is a Goddess of Destruction a Feminist icon?

Sorry to get sidetracked but seriously.... How?

"Almost" I wrote, and that's my opinion.
She represent women's power, at certain extent, I think.
Even Wonder Woman used violence but she was widely regarded as a feminist symbol.

[United facist States of America]

We must destroy the thousand year old cave paintings, Ancient Egyptian Papyruses and Ancient Pottery! They are the greatest threats to equality currently facing the world. Because there totally aren't any countries where women are oppressed in any other way. Down with the Papyruses!

I don't remember sex scenes in Ancient Egyptian Papyruses: there are just naked bodies, not sex enforced thorugh coercion.
In theold Indian tradition there are sex scenes, but almost all is not violent nor harmful for women (indeed, Indian culture even created goddess Kali, and I would say she's almost a feminist icon).
Your signature is very funny, a Swede who is pro "normal" feminism and against Radical Feminism - very funny, since at least 90% feminism in Sweden is Radical Feminism.
Confused, much?

If Kali is a feminist icon does that mean more women should be murderers?

[Kisinger]

How? How is a Goddess of Destruction a Feminist icon?

Sorry to get sidetracked but seriously.... How?

"Almost" I wrote, and that's my opinion.
She represent women's power, at certain extent, I think.
Even Wonder Woman used violence but she was widely regarded as a feminist symbol.

Wonder Woman doesn't have a girdle of hands around her waist....

Okay, let's just take this to the Feminist Thread now...

[Unitaristic Regions]

"Almost" I wrote, and that's my opinion.
She represent women's power, at certain extent, I think.
Even Wonder Woman used violence but she was widely regarded as a feminist symbol.

Wonder Woman doesn't have a girdle of hands around her waist....

Okay, let's just take this to the Feminist Thread now...

Yeah, let's continue the discussion there.

[Solaas]

I said Kali is "almost" a feminist icon, exactly like is Furiosa of the new Mad Max movie

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... triarchies

The movie, as has been said by others, is glorious: beautifully shot, fun, fast-paced and, yes, feminist. And if the popularity of the film is any indication (global cumulative box office is already $227m) this iteration of Mad Max shows that movie audiences are thrilled by its female action heroes, a plot that shows the necessity of dismantling patriarchies and its “leading” man who supports the real hero – the leading lady.

The film focuses on Charlize Theron’s character, Furiosa, who is a soldier for a dystopian tyrant in a world in which women are milked like cows for their breastmilk and locked away as breeders. She seeks redemption from past bad deeds by freeing her leader’s “wives” (sex slaves, really) with plans to bring them to her childhood home called “the green place”. The wives, desperate to leave and insisting “we are not things”, have to outrun an old, murderous husband who chases after them screaming “my property!”

Max, despite the eponymous nature of the series, spends the first quarter of the movie in a face cage and attached to a chain, after which he decides to help Furiosa and serves as a supporting character in her mission (and, basically, in her movie). As my husband quipped, the movie really should have been called Mad Max: Feminist Ally.

There were plenty of small and not-so-small feminist moments in the film: at one point, Max hands Furiosa his rifle because she’s the better shot and she uses his shoulder to steady it before firing; there’s a scene in which the wives cut off iron chastity belts in a moment of liberation and disgust; and the entire subplot involving the gang of matriarchal older women on motorcycles whose “one man, one bullet” mantra is likely to raise more hackles than a “male tears” mug. There are so many feminist moments that a Feminist Mad Max Tumblr blog has even popped up: “Hey girl, I’ll be your wingman any day.”

I could have done without the scene in which the wives hose each other down like something out of a teen car wash fantasy – so the movie isn’t perfect. But I’ll take progress where I can get it.

Still, something has the panties of the “men’s rights activists” in a wad. Perhaps it is because, as writer Laurie Penny points out in her excellent review of the film, the typical thinking of those who are so appalled by the film is that when civilization collapses: “the so-called natural order will reassert itself ... and hot babes will go crawling back to the kitchen.” She adds:

What’s threatening about Fury Road is the idea that when the earth burns, women might not actually want men to protect them. Men might, in fact, be precisely the thing they are trying to survive.

And that’s what makes the movie so forward-thinking: it’s not feminist because Theron’s character gets to engage in as much violence as any other action lead, but because the world director and writer George Miller has created shows the horror of sexism and the necessity of freedom from patriarchy. That is what’s truly terrifying to some men – not that Theron has more lines than actor Tom Hardy.

But I’m quite sure that most men’s sense of their own masculinity isn’t so fragile that it can’t survive a single movie in which a male protagonist is overshadowed and outperformed by a woman. If I’m wrong, though, I’d suggest that the men who can’t handle it should stay home. Maybe they can make themselves a nice sandwich.

See?
Jessica Valenti, a prominent feminist, says the violent movie Mad Max is both feminist and not-feminist.
That's exactly what I mean when I wrote "almost" feminist icon regarding Kali.

[Napkiraly]

We must destroy the thousand year old cave paintings, Ancient Egyptian Papyruses and Ancient Pottery! They are the greatest threats to equality currently facing the world. Because there totally aren't any countries where women are oppressed in any other way. Down with the Papyruses!

Your signature is very funny, a Swede who is pro "normal" feminism and against Radical Feminism - very funny, since at least 90% feminism in Sweden is Radical Feminism.
Confused, much?

Just because it is the majority type of feminism (which btw, source) in Sweden doesn't mean that they cannot still be against it.

[Galloism]

Your signature is very funny, a Swede who is pro "normal" feminism and against Radical Feminism - very funny, since at least 90% feminism in Sweden is Radical Feminism.
Confused, much?

Just because it is the majority type of feminism (which btw, source) in Sweden doesn't mean that they cannot still be against it.

Given how Chess/Solaas plays fast and loose with statistics, including repeating ones she knows are false, I'd be hesitant to put any more stock in her 90% than the crazy guy in town who wears a placard screaming the sun is about to explode.

[The Krogan]

Just because it is the majority type of feminism (which btw, source) in Sweden doesn't mean that they cannot still be against it.

Given how Chess/Solaas plays fast and loose with statistics, including repeating ones she knows are false, I'd be hesitant to put any more stock in her 90% than the crazy guy in town who wears a placard screaming the sun is about to explode.

He wears a tinfoil suit in my town.

[Luziyca]

Porn should be legal if both participants are willing and consensual, and both are over the age of majority. These are basically the only things I'd give a damn about: anything else, it's none of my business to tell who to fap to or not.

[Chessmistress]

An Interesting OFFICIAL document
That's not exactly the guy screaming the sun is about to explode

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... /EN#title1

MOTION FOR A EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT RESOLUTION

on eliminating gender stereotypes in the EU

(2012/2116(INI))

O. whereas young women and men are most affected by pornography’s new cultural status; whereas the ‘mainstreaming of pornography’, i.e. the current cultural process whereby pornography is slipping into our everyday lives as an evermore universally accepted, often idealised, cultural element, manifests itself particularly clearly within youth culture: from teenage television and lifestyle magazines to music videos and commercials targeted at the young;

17. Calls on the EU and its Member States to take concrete action on its resolution of 16 September 1997 on discrimination against women in advertising, which called for a ban on all forms of pornography in the media and on the advertising of sex tourism(10);

18. Calls on the EU to conduct research into the links between child pornography and adult pornography and the impacts on girls, women, boys and men, as well as the relationship between pornography and sexual violence;

EU says pornography, ALL forms of pornography, hurts women.

That's the future, get used to it.

[Galloism]

An Interesting OFFICIAL document
That's not exactly the guy screaming the sun is about to explode

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... /EN#title1

MOTION FOR A EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT RESOLUTION

on eliminating gender stereotypes in the EU

(2012/2116(INI))

O. whereas young women and men are most affected by pornography’s new cultural status; whereas the ‘mainstreaming of pornography’, i.e. the current cultural process whereby pornography is slipping into our everyday lives as an evermore universally accepted, often idealised, cultural element, manifests itself particularly clearly within youth culture: from teenage television and lifestyle magazines to music videos and commercials targeted at the young;

17. Calls on the EU and its Member States to take concrete action on its resolution of 16 September 1997 on discrimination against women in advertising, which called for a ban on all forms of pornography in the media and on the advertising of sex tourism(10);

18. Calls on the EU to conduct research into the links between child pornography and adult pornography and the impacts on girls, women, boys and men, as well as the relationship between pornography and sexual violence;

EU says pornography, ALL forms of pornography, hurts women.

That's the future, get used to it.

Texas says Abortion harms women. Doesn't make that shit true.

[Chessmistress]

Texas says Abortion harms women. Doesn't make that shit true.

There's Federal Government, and SCOTUS, above Texas.
There's nothing above EU.
That's the real matter, for someone, and also the thing that amuses me

[The Krogan]

Texas says Abortion harms women. Doesn't make that shit true.

There's Federal Government, and SCOTUS, above Texas.
There's nothing above EU.
That's the real matter, for someone, and also the thing that amuses me

There's nothing above the EU? I beg to differ.

The gods are above the EU.

[Galloism]

There's Federal Government, and SCOTUS, above Texas.
There's nothing above EU.
That's the real matter, for someone, and also the thing that amuses me

There's nothing above the EU? I beg to differ.

The gods are above the EU.

More realistically:

So is the United Nations.

[The Krogan]

There's nothing above the EU? I beg to differ.

The gods are above the EU.

More realistically:

So is the United Nations.

Yeah, and the United Nations

[The Empire of Pretantia]

There's nothing above the EU? I beg to differ.

The gods are above the EU.

More realistically:

So is the United Nations.

And America.

[Kisinger]

An Interesting OFFICIAL document
That's not exactly the guy screaming the sun is about to explode

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... /EN#title1

MOTION FOR A EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT RESOLUTION

on eliminating gender stereotypes in the EU

(2012/2116(INI))

O. whereas young women and men are most affected by pornography’s new cultural status; whereas the ‘mainstreaming of pornography’, i.e. the current cultural process whereby pornography is slipping into our everyday lives as an evermore universally accepted, often idealised, cultural element, manifests itself particularly clearly within youth culture: from teenage television and lifestyle magazines to music videos and commercials targeted at the young;

17. Calls on the EU and its Member States to take concrete action on its resolution of 16 September 1997 on discrimination against women in advertising, which called for a ban on all forms of pornography in the media and on the advertising of sex tourism(10);

18. Calls on the EU to conduct research into the links between child pornography and adult pornography and the impacts on girls, women, boys and men, as well as the relationship between pornography and sexual violence;

EU says pornography, ALL forms of pornography, hurts women.

That's the future, get used to it.

Here is the adopted Texts of said Document http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... -2012-0401

Notice how the only mention of Pornography is this(using the Ctrl+F trick) "N. whereas young women and men are most affected by pornography’s new cultural status; whereas the ‘mainstreaming of pornography’, i.e. the current cultural process whereby pornography is slipping into our everyday lives as an evermore universally accepted, often idealised, cultural element, manifests itself particularly clearly within youth culture: from teenage television and lifestyle magazines to music videos and commercials targeted at the young;"

Let's not forget this document is 2 years old....

[Galloism]

You know what?

I changed my mind. The EU should ban porn. That would be a great shot in the arm for the U.S. economy. Our production would probably double or triple, and we could charge a huge markup for hazardous delivery into the EU. As a nation, it would probably cause a small but noticeable uptick in our GDP.