To Porn or not To Porn? That is the Question

[Egoman]

Good for you, feminine egoist. Now let's end this threadjack before a mod finds an excuse to ban me.

... and that is why porn should be legal.

Exactly. Because we want it to be so and the planet is going to agree with us. The haters are a minority, as always.

[Solaas]

... and that is why porn should be legal.

Exactly. Because we want it to be so and the planet is going to agree with us. The haters are a minority, as always.

Being against pornography is not being "haters", is about caring for women's well being and civil rights.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 012-0164-0

Results revealed women’s reports of their male partner’s frequency of pornography use were negatively associated with their relationship quality. More perceptions of problematic use of pornography was negatively correlated with self-esteem, relationship quality, and sexual satisfaction. In addition, self-esteem partially mediated the relationship between perceptions of partner’s problematic pornography use and relationship quality. Finally, results revealed that relationship length moderated the relationship between perceptions of partner’s problematic pornography use and sexual satisfaction, with significant dissatisfaction being associated with longer relationship length.

We aren't haters, and we are the majority:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183719/men-w ... ships.aspx

Just only 25% women declare that pornography is morally acceptable - even males are a minority: 43%.
Note that the gender gap is the largest of the survey: 18%.
A similar gender gap is very telling: pornography is meant for the benefit of males, and it hurts women.
Also: males who use pornography are more than 43% (at least twice, 86%), women who use pornography ar no more than half 25% (no more than 12%). It seems to me that a side is more hypocritical, and the other side is very tolerant (even too much, really) considering "morally acceptable" things that she really don't use.

[The Serbian Empire]

Exactly. Because we want it to be so and the planet is going to agree with us. The haters are a minority, as always.

Being against pornography is not being "haters", is about caring for women's well being and civil rights.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 012-0164-0

Results revealed women’s reports of their male partner’s frequency of pornography use were negatively associated with their relationship quality. More perceptions of problematic use of pornography was negatively correlated with self-esteem, relationship quality, and sexual satisfaction. In addition, self-esteem partially mediated the relationship between perceptions of partner’s problematic pornography use and relationship quality. Finally, results revealed that relationship length moderated the relationship between perceptions of partner’s problematic pornography use and sexual satisfaction, with significant dissatisfaction being associated with longer relationship length.

We aren't haters, and we are the majority:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183719/men-w ... ships.aspx

Just only 25% women declare that pornography is morally acceptable - even males are a minority: 43%.
Note that the gender gap is the largest of the survey: 18%.

Of course in a country where 70% of people claim to be Christians, are you sure that you're not picking up on an overlap between SWERF feminists and the religious right?

[The Krogan]

*Shruggs*

If they made all pornography illegal in this day and age I can see the world instantly imploding from the pressure of having millions of people laughing at the absurdity of it.

[The Carlisle]

Being against pornography is not being "haters", is about caring for women's well being and civil rights.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 012-0164-0



We aren't haters, and we are the majority:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183719/men-w ... ships.aspx

Just only 25% women declare that pornography is morally acceptable - even males are a minority: 43%.
Note that the gender gap is the largest of the survey: 18%.

Of course in a country where 70% of people claim to be Christians, are you sure that you're not picking up on an overlap between SWERF feminists and the religious right?

Not to mention the percentage of porn consumption between the sexes is very high, in the clear majority. There is also the fact that most people are religious with values that degrade sexual expression and negative views of porn. So when put on the spot, people are gonna lie about viewing porn to save face.

[The Serbian Empire]

Of course in a country where 70% of people claim to be Christians, are you sure that you're not picking up on an overlap between SWERF feminists and the religious right?

Not to mention the percentage of porn consumption between the sexes is very high, in the clear majority. There is also the fact that most people are religious with values that degrade sexual expression and negative views of porn. So when put on the spot, people are gonna lie about viewing porn to save face.

Solaas doesn't seem to understand the significant overlap between SWERFs and the religious right and that the policies the SWERFs propose will appease the far right. The far right probably hates her once the purpose has been served.

[Transoxthraxia]

Go the fuck ahead and do what you want. If people don't like it, they shouldn't view it. Likewise, they shouldn't be forced to view it.

[United facist States of America]

Exactly. Because we want it to be so and the planet is going to agree with us. The haters are a minority, as always.

Being against pornography is not being "haters", is about caring for women's well being and civil rights.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 012-0164-0

Results revealed women’s reports of their male partner’s frequency of pornography use were negatively associated with their relationship quality. More perceptions of problematic use of pornography was negatively correlated with self-esteem, relationship quality, and sexual satisfaction. In addition, self-esteem partially mediated the relationship between perceptions of partner’s problematic pornography use and relationship quality. Finally, results revealed that relationship length moderated the relationship between perceptions of partner’s problematic pornography use and sexual satisfaction, with significant dissatisfaction being associated with longer relationship length.

We aren't haters, and we are the majority:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183719/men-w ... ships.aspx

Just only 25% women declare that pornography is morally acceptable - even males are a minority: 43%.
Note that the gender gap is the largest of the survey: 18%.
A similar gender gap is very telling: pornography is meant for the benefit of males, and it hurts women.
Also: males who use pornography are more than 43% (at least twice, 86%), women who use pornography ar no more than half 25% (no more than 12%). It seems to me that a side is more hypocritical, and the other side is very tolerant (even too much, really) considering "morally acceptable" things that she really don't use.

We must destroy the thousand year old cave paintings, Ancient Egyptian Papyruses and Ancient Pottery! They are the greatest threats to equality currently facing the world. Because there totally aren't any countries where women are oppressed in any other way. Down with the Papyruses!

[Kelinfort]

I'm quite certain my female partner has viewed a considerable amount of porn since I left a couple of days ago, as I am not there to satisfy her. Am I being objectified?

Chess, please respond.

And no, I nor anyone else has coerced her to watch straight and lesbian porn.

[Solaas]

Being against pornography is not being "haters", is about caring for women's well being and civil rights.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 012-0164-0



We aren't haters, and we are the majority:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183719/men-w ... ships.aspx

Just only 25% women declare that pornography is morally acceptable - even males are a minority: 43%.
Note that the gender gap is the largest of the survey: 18%.
A similar gender gap is very telling: pornography is meant for the benefit of males, and it hurts women.
Also: males who use pornography are more than 43% (at least twice, 86%), women who use pornography ar no more than half 25% (no more than 12%). It seems to me that a side is more hypocritical, and the other side is very tolerant (even too much, really) considering "morally acceptable" things that she really don't use.

We must destroy the thousand year old cave paintings, Ancient Egyptian Papyruses and Ancient Pottery! They are the greatest threats to equality currently facing the world. Because there totally aren't any countries where women are oppressed in any other way. Down with the Papyruses!

I don't remember sex scenes in Ancient Egyptian Papyruses: there are just naked bodies, not sex enforced thorugh coercion.
In theold Indian tradition there are sex scenes, but almost all is not violent nor harmful for women (indeed, Indian culture even created goddess Kali, and I would say she's almost a feminist icon).
Your signature is very funny, a Swede who is pro "normal" feminism and against Radical Feminism - very funny, since at least 90% feminism in Sweden is Radical Feminism.
Confused, much?

[Solaas]

Chess, please respond.

And no, I nor anyone else has coerced her to watch straight and lesbian porn.

It seems you have a great opinion about yourself
Is not the viewer who is coerced to watch porn, is the actress who is coerced to act in porn. The viewer is just only damaged (regardless she's straight or bi or lesbian) by porn.

[United facist States of America]

We must destroy the thousand year old cave paintings, Ancient Egyptian Papyruses and Ancient Pottery! They are the greatest threats to equality currently facing the world. Because there totally aren't any countries where women are oppressed in any other way. Down with the Papyruses!

I don't remember sex scenes in Ancient Egyptian Papyruses: there are just naked bodies, not sex enforced thorugh coercion.
In theold Indian tradition there are sex scenes, but almost all is not violent nor harmful for women (indeed, Indian culture even created goddess Kali, and I would say she's almost a feminist icon).
Your signature is very funny, a Swede who is pro "normal" feminism and against Radical Feminism - very funny, since at least 90% feminism in Sweden is Radical Feminism.
Confused, much?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin_Erotic_Papyrus

[Egoman]

Chess, please respond.

And no, I nor anyone else has coerced her to watch straight and lesbian porn.

It seems you have a great opinion about yourself
Is not the viewer who is coerced to watch porn, is the actress who is coerced to act in porn. The viewer is just only damaged (regardless she's straight or bi or lesbian) by porn.

Is everything coercion to you?

[Kelinfort]

Chess, please respond.

And no, I nor anyone else has coerced her to watch straight and lesbian porn.

It seems you have a great opinion about yourself
Is not the viewer who is coerced to watch porn, is the actress who is coerced to act in porn. The viewer is just only damaged (regardless she's straight or bi or lesbian) by porn.

You blatantly ignore arguments against your position. You obfuscate facts and enjoy to fritter away time with redirection from the main argument. You're an expertly ignore and stick your finger in your ears.

I was referring to my partner, because as you have said previously, certain women are coerced to watch porn and do not freely view it.

Now let's go over your claim: how is an actress, who is neither poor nor forced into porn, coerced to perform in pornographic videos? Many actresses find pornography sexually liberating and more porn today is focusing on body positivity. Again, I fail to see how this is coercion. Not to mention, you explicitly neglect male pornographic actors. Does Female Domination porn objectify men?

Pornography is not meant to be watched by minors or on a daily basis. It can be used to build closer connections to a partner and reawaken sexual energy.

[United facist States of America]

Exactly. Because we want it to be so and the planet is going to agree with us. The haters are a minority, as always.

Being against pornography is not being "haters", is about caring for women's well being and civil rights.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 012-0164-0

Results revealed women’s reports of their male partner’s frequency of pornography use were negatively associated with their relationship quality. More perceptions of problematic use of pornography was negatively correlated with self-esteem, relationship quality, and sexual satisfaction. In addition, self-esteem partially mediated the relationship between perceptions of partner’s problematic pornography use and relationship quality. Finally, results revealed that relationship length moderated the relationship between perceptions of partner’s problematic pornography use and sexual satisfaction, with significant dissatisfaction being associated with longer relationship length.

We aren't haters, and we are the majority:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183719/men-w ... ships.aspx

Just only 25% women declare that pornography is morally acceptable - even males are a minority: 43%.
Note that the gender gap is the largest of the survey: 18%.
A similar gender gap is very telling: pornography is meant for the benefit of males, and it hurts women.
Also: males who use pornography are more than 43% (at least twice, 86%), women who use pornography ar no more than half 25% (no more than 12%). It seems to me that a side is more hypocritical, and the other side is very tolerant (even too much, really) considering "morally acceptable" things that she really don't use.

Considering that the US is very conservative there is a high likelihood that many of the men who are against pornography are part of the religious right.

[Kelinfort]

Being against pornography is not being "haters", is about caring for women's well being and civil rights.

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 012-0164-0



We aren't haters, and we are the majority:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183719/men-w ... ships.aspx

Just only 25% women declare that pornography is morally acceptable - even males are a minority: 43%.
Note that the gender gap is the largest of the survey: 18%.
A similar gender gap is very telling: pornography is meant for the benefit of males, and it hurts women.
Also: males who use pornography are more than 43% (at least twice, 86%), women who use pornography ar no more than half 25% (no more than 12%). It seems to me that a side is more hypocritical, and the other side is very tolerant (even too much, really) considering "morally acceptable" things that she really don't use.

Considering that the US is very conservative there is a high likelihood that many of the men who are against pornography are part of the religious right.

And women. God knows South Africa was a feminist paradise when it banned porn in the 1970's.

[United facist States of America]

Considering that the US is very conservative there is a high likelihood that many of the men who are against pornography are part of the religious right.

And women. God knows South Africa was a feminist paradise when it banned porn in the 1970's.

Iran is also a feminist paradise since after all they banned porn too.

[Grand Britannia]

And women. God knows South Africa was a feminist paradise when it banned porn in the 1970's.

Iran is also a feminist paradise since after all they banned porn too.

Lets just deport all our feminist there, then.

[Kelinfort]

And women. God knows South Africa was a feminist paradise when it banned porn in the 1970's.

Iran is also a feminist paradise since after all they banned porn too.

Margaret Atwood wrote about an amazingly feminist nation that banned porn.

[United facist States of America]

Iran is also a feminist paradise since after all they banned porn too.

Lets just deport all our feminist there, then.

Great Idea!

[Solaas]

Solaas doesn't seem to understand the significant overlap between SWERFs and the religious right and that the policies the SWERFs propose will appease the far right. The far right probably hates her once the purpose has been served.

Who's using who?
To begin: far right and religious voted Convention of Istanbul, and also Nordic Model, and also banning of strip clubs in Iceland.
Even the pope recently make a speech against domestic violence against women, basically supporting Convention of Istanbul
As long as they're useful, that can be just only good, then...because the main point is: also the left is supporting us, that's the point...

[Kelinfort]

Solaas doesn't seem to understand the significant overlap between SWERFs and the religious right and that the policies the SWERFs propose will appease the far right. The far right probably hates her once the purpose has been served.

Who's using who?
To begin: far right and religious voted Convention of Istanbul, and also Nordic Model, and also banning of strip clubs in Iceland.
Even the pope recently make a speech against domestic violence against women, basically supporting Convention of Istanbul
As long as they're useful, that can be just only good, then...because the main point is: also the left is supporting us, that's the point...

What could go wrong?

[The Serbian Empire]

Solaas doesn't seem to understand the significant overlap between SWERFs and the religious right and that the policies the SWERFs propose will appease the far right. The far right probably hates her once the purpose has been served.

Who's using who?
To begin: far right and religious voted Convention of Istanbul, and also Nordic Model, and also banning of strip clubs in Iceland.
Even the pope recently make a speech against domestic violence against women, basically supporting Convention of Istanbul
As long as they're useful, that can be just only good, then...because the main point is: also the left is supporting us, that's the point...

The right consider you as useful tools for their own agenda which in many countries will toss you aside once the job is done. Your kind will probably have power in Sweden, Iceland, and a few other bastions of Scandinavian democracy, but in most places the far right will consider you little more than a tool for the job of creating a theocracy.

[Napkiraly]

Banning porn is even more idiotic than banning alcohol or drugs. It's not going to do anything and only fuck things up.


And I hope you realize there are female performers that actually enjoy it.

[Napkiraly]

Who's using who?
To begin: far right and religious voted Convention of Istanbul, and also Nordic Model, and also banning of strip clubs in Iceland.
Even the pope recently make a speech against domestic violence against women, basically supporting Convention of Istanbul
As long as they're useful, that can be just only good, then...because the main point is: also the left is supporting us, that's the point...

The right consider you as useful tools for their own agenda which in many countries will toss you aside once the job is done. Your kind will probably have power in Sweden, Iceland, and a few other bastions of Scandinavian democracy, but in most places the far right will consider you little more than a tool for the job of creating a theocracy.

Yeah SWERF's have gone full circle and ended up being allies of right-wing bigots. Even use not too different sound bites from time to time.