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Postby Egoman » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:53 pm

Confederate Ramenia wrote:I've always been confused by this, but how is acting in porn (payed sex) legal in places where prostitution (payed sex) is illegal?

Because our leaders are fucking idiots?

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:54 pm

Porn is not what causes sex crime. Porn in of itself is simply the explicit showing of sexual acts. What causes sex crime is a stance of viewing women as objects to be used, and it's one thing to say that our current form of porn demeans women, it's quite another to say that all porn demeans women. When ads and culture view women only as use-objects (only valuable for movies insofar pretty, etc) then this creates certain fantasies that have their extension in porn. (Supply and demand)

Blocking porn merely makes men unable to vent their fantasies, which will make them even more frustrated. Sex crime will probably rise if you ban it.

Do I say that 'objectified' fantasies would disappear in a different culture? No. Just like people have murderous fantasies in a culture that isn't murderous (for this, we have GTA, and guess what? We rarely kill one another in the West, and rarely feel the need to anymore), porn is a good vent.

What we should do is center porn more on women, on their experience. Porn's biggest crime is refusing women orgasms and a point of view. Oh, and give subsidies and legal protection to porn stars, if we're thinking in a capitalist framework.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:57 pm

Confederate Ramenia wrote:I've always been confused by this, but how is acting in porn (payed sex) legal in places where prostitution (payed sex) is illegal?

Mainly because governments would have a hard time taxing it and setting up a safe system for it.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:19 pm

Egoman wrote:
Geilinor wrote:If having sex is legal, there's no reason why merely viewing it should be illegal.

But kids are corrupted. And it degrades women. Also, it's immoral. Btw, Nordic model. And shit.

Then don't let kids see it.
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Postby Skrovishte » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:22 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Egoman wrote:But kids are corrupted. And it degrades women. Also, it's immoral. Btw, Nordic model. And shit.

Then don't let kids see it.


Or stop being puritans and remove archaic notions of sex as taboo and children as "pure," from society.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:24 pm

Skrovishte wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Then don't let kids see it.


Or stop being puritans and remove archaic notions of sex as taboo and children as "pure," from society.


Yeah, humans literally already stroke themselves before they are even born. Plus, as said above, it's not porn, but culture that 'corrupts'.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:50 pm

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Solaas wrote:
Sounds quite objectifying regarding your girlfriend...it seems to me that you just view her as a sexual object, but I really hope I'm wrong about it.

I'm quite certain my female partner has viewed a considerable amount of porn since I left a couple of days ago, as I am not there to satisfy her. Am I being objectified?

Chess, please respond.

And no, I nor anyone else has coerced her to watch straight and lesbian porn.
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Postby Egoman » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:51 pm

Skrovishte wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Then don't let kids see it.


Or stop being puritans and remove archaic notions of sex as taboo and children as "pure," from society.

Works for me.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:54 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:I'm quite certain my female partner has viewed a considerable amount of porn since I left a couple of days ago, as I am not there to satisfy her. Am I being objectified?

Chess, please respond.

And no, I nor anyone else has coerced her to watch straight and lesbian porn.


WOMEN CANNOT OBJECTIFY IS ALWAYS MEN'S FAULT ;p.

Sorry for the allcaps ;).
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Postby Egoman » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:57 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Chess, please respond.

And no, I nor anyone else has coerced her to watch straight and lesbian porn.


WOMEN CANNOT OBJECTIFY IS ALWAYS MEN'S FAULT ;p.

Sorry for the allcaps ;).

Chessmistress is a textbook example of a female egoist utilizing feminism to her full advantage.

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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:58 pm

Egoman wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
WOMEN CANNOT OBJECTIFY IS ALWAYS MEN'S FAULT ;p.

Sorry for the allcaps ;).

Chessmistress is a textbook example of a female egoist utilizing feminism to her full advantage.


So who's this 'chessmistress'?

Oh, Solaas is her puppet, I see :).
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Postby Kalmarium » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:58 pm

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jul 09, 2015 3:59 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Egoman wrote:Chessmistress is a textbook example of a female egoist utilizing feminism to her full advantage.


So who's this 'chessmistress'?

A radical feminist poster known for general extremism.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:04 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
So who's this 'chessmistress'?

A radical feminist poster known for general extremism.


Ah, thank you :).
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Postby Egoman » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:04 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Egoman wrote:Chessmistress is a textbook example of a female egoist utilizing feminism to her full advantage.


So who's this 'chessmistress'?

Oh, Solaas is her puppet, I see :).

A misandrist.

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Postby Kalmarium » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:04 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
So who's this 'chessmistress'?

A radical feminist poster known for general extremism.

On NS?
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:05 pm

Kalmarium wrote:
Geilinor wrote:A radical feminist poster known for general extremism.

On NS?

Yes.
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Postby Kalmarium » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:06 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Kalmarium wrote:On NS?

Yes.

Oh dear.
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Postby Unitaristic Regions » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:06 pm

Egoman wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
So who's this 'chessmistress'?

Oh, Solaas is her puppet, I see :).

A misandrist.


Feminism these days... :(. But I'll have to see for myself and form my own opinion, I guess.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:08 pm

Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Egoman wrote:A misandrist.


Feminism these days... :(. But I'll have to see for myself and form my own opinion, I guess.

Read the dispatch on her nation page.
It includes these quotes:
"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males."
Mary Daly (October 16, 1928 – January 3, 2010), American radical feminist philosopher, academic, and theologian.

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race"
Sally Miller-Gearhart, American teacher, feminist, science fiction writer and political activist, from her book "The Future - If There is One - Is Female".
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Postby Kalmarium » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:09 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Feminism these days... :(. But I'll have to see for myself and form my own opinion, I guess.

Read the dispatch on her nation page.
It includes these quotes:
"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males."
Mary Daly (October 16, 1928 – January 3, 2010), American radical feminist philosopher, academic, and theologian.

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race"
Sally Miller-Gearhart, American teacher, feminist, science fiction writer and political activist, from her book "The Future - If There is One - Is Female".

Do people take this stuff seriously?
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Postby United facist States of America » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:18 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Unitaristic Regions wrote:
Feminism these days... :(. But I'll have to see for myself and form my own opinion, I guess.

Read the dispatch on her nation page.
It includes these quotes:
"If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males."
Mary Daly (October 16, 1928 – January 3, 2010), American radical feminist philosopher, academic, and theologian.

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race"
Sally Miller-Gearhart, American teacher, feminist, science fiction writer and political activist, from her book "The Future - If There is One - Is Female".

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Postby Independent State AF » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:19 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:I'm quite certain my female partner has viewed a considerable amount of porn since I left a couple of days ago, as I am not there to satisfy her. Am I being objectified?

Chess, please respond.

And no, I nor anyone else has coerced her to watch straight and lesbian porn.


She never will.

She refuses to even remotely acknowledge anything that directly contradicts her worldview or belief system.
Anything that actually has good evidence anyway.
It's pretty damn ignorant the way she likes to act.
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Postby Egoman » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:19 pm

United facist States of America wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Read the dispatch on her nation page.
It includes these quotes:

Yay Genocide!

They're called feminazis for a reason, you know.

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Postby Galloism » Thu Jul 09, 2015 4:20 pm

Independent State AF wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Chess, please respond.

And no, I nor anyone else has coerced her to watch straight and lesbian porn.


She never will.

She refuses to even remotely acknowledge anything that directly contradicts her worldview or belief system.
Anything that actually has good evidence anyway.
It's pretty damn ignorant the way she likes to act.

SWERFs are to feminism as the WBC is to Christianity, sorta.

Logic and evidence are poisonous.
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