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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:54 am

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Kelinfort wrote:Then why do 1500 species practice homosexuality? And why do hedgehogs, apes, and Bonobos practice promiscuity?

Also, why the fuck does nature matter? Your internet connection ain't natural.


They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.


Animals can rebel against a deity?
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:10 am

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
United States of White America wrote:
They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.


Animals can rebel against a deity?


Allegedly. Just reading through this thread has been the funnest times I've probably ever had on this site, but this point in particular just makes me rofl hard!
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Postby Benian Republic » Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:50 pm

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The Alexanderians wrote:Well I'd be ok for the 21 thing for one reason, it would be on par with the drinking age. Too much crap is spread out there should be one age where you become an adult preferably 18 though.


18 is fine with everything... I believe the main reason 21 became the drinking age is when the Government linked having the drinking age raised to 21 with receiving Highway funds to maintain said highways. I'm pretty sure Louisiana is the only state that allows 18 year olds the right to purchase alcohol.

Most children have seen pornography before the legal age so I'd say you might as well take away the age requirement.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:01 pm

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Neo Hungary wrote:Seriously? 21 or up to 24?

Jesus Christland you are a puritan... If anything lower the age to 16 or 17...Georgia and the south have the right idea!

Well I'd be ok for the 21 thing for one reason, it would be on par with the drinking age. Too much crap is spread out there should be one age where you become an adult preferably 18 though.

The drinking age in the US is too high.

Eighteen is an appropriate age to give one adult rights and responsibilities.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:02 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Then why do 1500 species practice homosexuality? And why do hedgehogs, apes, and Bonobos practice promiscuity?

Also, why the fuck does nature matter? Your internet connection ain't natural.

Are there really that many? I knew some dogs and simians did it, as well as dolphins but 1500?

Yes.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:34 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
United States of White America wrote:
They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.


Animals can rebel against a deity?

Animals, who supposedly lack free will, rebel against a deity they've never seen nor met.

Kek.

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Postby Phoaenice » Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:04 am

Neo Hungary wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:Well I'd be ok for the 21 thing for one reason, it would be on par with the drinking age. Too much crap is spread out there should be one age where you become an adult preferably 18 though.


18 is fine with everything... I believe the main reason 21 became the drinking age is when the Government linked having the drinking age raised to 21 with receiving Highway funds to maintain said highways. I'm pretty sure Louisiana is the only state that allows 18 year olds the right to purchase alcohol.


I would like to precise here, what I mean about age limits is about "acting", the active subject, and not the use of the product. (with seems fine as you tell me).

( I pointed out then other limits further than age, so limits about specific behaviours and thing to be usefullness, rather than ridicoulus regime-like, in Countries wich challenge political matters as religious reactionaries eccetera).

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Postby Benuty » Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:32 am

Kelinfort wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Animals can rebel against a deity?

Animals, who supposedly lack free will, rebel against a deity they've never seen nor met.

Kek.

Unless one has a pantheistic viewpoint.
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Porn? I don't watch it...
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:07 am

Neo Philippine Empire wrote:Porn? I don't watch it...

Your loss.
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Postby Neo Philippine Empire » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:17 am

Rhyfelnydd wrote:
Neo Philippine Empire wrote:Porn? I don't watch it...

Your loss.

Why?
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Postby El Fiji Grande » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:40 am

To answer the OP:

I myself am very much conflicted when it comes to this issue. My overall, final answer, is that all porn, regardless of sexuality, should be legal, as long as it is done with the consent of all individuals involved.

The conflict I have with this is the ease by which one can qualify as 'consenting,' and what its implications become. The problem is, is that you'll likely have a population of desperate people willing to do anything to find a job - even arguably becoming a prostitute to do so. And porn producers generally pay very small to modest wages for average performers. (source: http://www.therichest.com/expensive-lif ... ndustries/)

So, to an extent, it seems wrong to me to make an entire industry immune from taking advantage of an entire class of disadvantaged people, and that there should be at least some restrictions. At minimum, I think the government should regulate the industry for disease - to contain the spread of HIV and AIDS, as well as other STDs.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:44 am

El Fiji Grande wrote:To answer the OP:

I myself am very much conflicted when it comes to this issue. My overall, final answer, is that all porn, regardless of sexuality, should be legal, as long as it is done with the consent of all individuals involved.

The conflict I have with this is the ease by which one can qualify as 'consenting,' and what its implications become. The problem is, is that you'll likely have a population of desperate people willing to do anything to find a job - even arguably becoming a prostitute to do so. And porn producers generally pay very small to modest wages for average performers. (source: http://www.therichest.com/expensive-lif ... ndustries/)

So, to an extent, it seems wrong to me to make an entire industry immune from taking advantage of an entire class of disadvantaged people, and that there should be at least some restrictions. At minimum, I think the government should regulate the industry for disease - to contain the spread of HIV and AIDS, as well as other STDs.
They already do have screening for STDs in porn. Not everyone who features in porn is desperate; some want to do it or see it as easy money for something a lot more fun than most jobs. If you want to prevent industries from making use of desperate people, you're going to have to abolish capitalism, because that is something literally every industry does.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:50 am

Rhyfelnydd wrote:
Neo Philippine Empire wrote:Porn? I don't watch it...

Your loss.

Watching porn decreases your actual sexual performance and makes it harder to orgasm.

Just do what you wanna do without porn.
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Postby Arach-Naga Combine » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:04 am

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:Your loss.

Watching porn decreases your actual sexual performance and makes it harder to orgasm.

Just do what you wanna do without porn.

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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:06 am

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:Your loss.

Watching porn decreases your actual sexual performance and makes it harder to orgasm.

Just do what you wanna do without porn.

Source.

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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:12 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Watching porn decreases your actual sexual performance and makes it harder to orgasm.

Just do what you wanna do without porn.

Source.

This
and This
and This
or you could just do This
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Postby Kelinfort » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:23 am

Benuty wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Animals, who supposedly lack free will, rebel against a deity they've never seen nor met.

Kek.

Unless one has a pantheistic viewpoint.

The man in question is a classic Christian theist who'd think that's heresy.

But yes, you're correct.

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Postby Napkiraly » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:23 am

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Source.

This
and This
and This
or you could just do This

It's not my job to go source hunting when you make a claim. That's how it works here.

Any way those sources on the regular consumption of porn, which admittedly is probably consumed more than it should be (at least from knowing my friends habits). The occasional once every two or three months Asa Akira video though won't screw up your libido. Pretty much actually the standard with a lot of things that activate your reward system.

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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:25 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:This
and This
and This
or you could just do This

It's not my job to go source hunting when you make a claim. That's how it works here.

Any way those sources on the regular consumption of porn, which admittedly is probably consumed more than it should be (at least from knowing my friends habits). The occasional once every two or three months Asa Akira video though won't screw up your libido. Pretty much actually the standard with a lot of things that activate your reward system.

Well, yes, I'm just saying that for the people who pretty much substitute porn for actual sex.

I don't watch it, just because I don't need it.

And I gave you three sources, I just offered the last link if it meant anything to you.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:35 am

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:Your loss.

Watching porn decreases your actual sexual performance and makes it harder to orgasm.

Just do what you wanna do without porn.

False.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:36 am

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Nilla Wayfarers wrote:Watching porn decreases your actual sexual performance and makes it harder to orgasm.

Just do what you wanna do without porn.

False.

If you watch it too much, it's true. I talked to Nap about it.
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:38 am

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:False.

If you watch it too much, it's true. I talked to Nap about it.

"too much" as in so much it causes erectile dysfunction. That's not what most people do. Using porn at a regular amount can actually improve your sex life.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:38 am

Nilla Wayfarers wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Source.

This
and This
and This
or you could just do This

Well, I just spent the last 15 minutes posting sources to the contrary before my phone decided to reload this page and thus remove everything I was about to post. I'll try to respond with evidence showing it doesn't have a statistically significant impact on erectile dysfunction or sex life once I can actually get on a computer. Some of my earlier posts in this thread included links that addressed the myth of porn generally being addictive for most people and having significant potential for negative behavior modification or the development of erectile dysfunction.
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Postby Chessmistress » Sat Aug 01, 2015 10:45 am

Personally I couldn't care less about erectile dysfunctions of males who are willingly watching porn.
I care about the bad attitudes towards women they develop from watching porn.
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