To Porn or not To Porn? That is the Question

[The Holy Therns]

Porn on, if that's your thing. It usually is, anyway.

[CTALNH]

Sexual attraction is blasphemy? Wait, what?

Chastity is the only thing natural.

No.

[United States of White America]

Chastity is the only thing natural.

No.

Yes.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No.

Yes.

No, it's literally unnatural.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes.

No, it's literally unnatural.

Know what else is unnatural?
Dentistry.

Why the fuck are we arguing over what's natural?
If you aren't dead by 25 of mouth infections like our ancestors, you have no business arguing over natural.

[Oaza]

Porn harms no one, I say let people do whatever they want. Any adult who consents to producing porn should be allowed to make any kind without any limitations. If people don't like it, don't watch it!

[Esternial]

Sexual attraction is blasphemy? Wait, what?

Chastity is the only thing natural.

Could just as well say "I've never opened a book or watched a show about any subject of nature."

Porn harms no one, I say let people do whatever they want. Any adult who consents to producing porn should be allowed to make any kind without any limitations. If people don't like it, don't watch it!

It harms some people. Not everyone gets into the porn industry willingly.

There need to be regulations.

[Kelinfort]

Sexual attraction is blasphemy? Wait, what?

Chastity is the only thing natural.

Then why do 1500 species practice homosexuality? And why do hedgehogs, apes, and Bonobos practice promiscuity?

Also, why the fuck does nature matter? Your internet connection ain't natural.

[Esternial]

Chastity is the only thing natural.

Then why do 1500 species practice homosexuality? And why do hedgehogs, apes, and Bonobos practice promiscuity?

Also, why the fuck does nature matter? Your internet connection ain't natural.

It matters because it's probably the best argument he had, would be my guess.

[CTALNH]

Then why do 1500 species practice homosexuality? And why do hedgehogs, apes, and Bonobos practice promiscuity?

Also, why the fuck does nature matter? Your internet connection ain't natural.

It matters because it's probably the best argument he had, would be my guess.

Now that's a funny post.

[Threlizdun]

No.

Yes.

I'm going to take a wild guess and presume you are never going to actually explain where you and every other human infant came from if chastity is the only natural thing about human sexuality.

[United States of White America]

Chastity is the only thing natural.

Then why do 1500 species practice homosexuality? And why do hedgehogs, apes, and Bonobos practice promiscuity?

Also, why the fuck does nature matter? Your internet connection ain't natural.

They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.

[Xanama]

I'd like to keep my porn, anyone who wants to ban it, go be David Cameron somewhere else

[Xanama]

Then why do 1500 species practice homosexuality? And why do hedgehogs, apes, and Bonobos practice promiscuity?

Also, why the fuck does nature matter? Your internet connection ain't natural.

They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.

*tilts head* what's a god?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.

*tilts head* what's a god?

Sun Wukong.

[Xanama]

*tilts head* what's a god?

Sun Wukong.

Oh, it isn't Stalin? I am disappoint

[Kelinfort]

Then why do 1500 species practice homosexuality? And why do hedgehogs, apes, and Bonobos practice promiscuity?

Also, why the fuck does nature matter? Your internet connection ain't natural.

They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.

Then technology is rebellion against your god.

Also, I don't give a shit about your opinion. Without evidence, you have just your angry grumblings and that's not an argument.

[Rhyfelnydd]

Then why do 1500 species practice homosexuality? And why do hedgehogs, apes, and Bonobos practice promiscuity?

Also, why the fuck does nature matter? Your internet connection ain't natural.

They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.

So then you using your technology, which is certainly not natural, is also rebellion? Also this requires sentient thought so are we saying animals now possess the ability to hold ideology and the higher thinking required to reject said ideology?

Seriously, books. Read them.

[United Individuals of Us]

Now after butchering that iconic quote in an attempt for humor, lets get down to business.

Ever since the rise of man, people have been consuming all sorts of smutty materials to sate their needs. One such being pornography. With the rise of the internet, easy to take photos, and recording devices, the production and consumption of porn has risen to astronomical levels; So big you can see it from space.

Now, there are many opinions on porn and its production. Some believe it should be regulated under guidelines by the government. Some wish to ban it all, red tape included (the non-kinky kind). Some wish it was fee from regulation so you can produce !@%@!! and %#&*%&^ and even ##%^#%#(@!!!

Regardless, this is the thread to debate and argue your opinions on pornography. Get your gladiator gear on, because this Colosseum is gonna get bloody! Also, in Roman fashion, there will be an orgy afterwards and everyone is invited.

My opinion? Well, I'm of the radical belief that porn should be legal, but also have strict guidelines imposed by the government so that porn is produced safely and consensually. I know, I know, too progressive. I'm a pioneer for my era.

Basic individual liberty, freedom and rights should always be at the center of these debates, however, individual rights, freedom and liberty ends when one individual infringes upon another's rights, freedom and liberty.

That said, all the glossy photos and director/editors work of the smut film industry make the pron industry look a lot more enticing and glamarous than it really is while covering up the daily realities and costs to the economy and population at large. All the facts, information and statistics should be brought to the table and be discussed so fully informed choices can be made.

While we would love to imagine that we live in an age of consequence-free pleasure, the reality is very different.

Q: Isn't pornography use a private matter which society has no business interfering with?
A:

When private behavior has social consequences, it is a matter of social concern, even if the best way of addressing it does not involve government action. Society certainly has an interest in the public environment of its communities; it has an interest in the education of its young and in insuring that they grow to be mature citizens who contribute to the community's life and its welfare.

When private action has consequences for society beyond the individual, the public has an interest in understanding the problem and in finding ways to address it. We think our Statement shows that pornography use clearly has consequences that affect others besides the user in detrimental ways. Like smoking and even more like illegal drugs, it not only harms the individual, but has harmful effects on those around him. Although in one case in the 1960s the Supreme Court ruled that the mere possession of obscene materials in the home was beyond the reach of the law, it did not even then license trafficking in obscenity or the production of obscene photographs or films, and of course the justices in that case did not then have access to more recent evidence about the social effects of private use. Besides, people should know about the effects of pornography use if only to be able to counsel friends and loved ones, even where government never gets involved.


"Pornography, by offering an endless harem of sexual objects, hyperactivates the appetitive system. Porn viewers develop new maps in their brains, based on the photos and videos they see. Because it is a use-it-or-lose-it brain, when we develop a map area, we long to keep it activated. Just as our muscles become impatient for exercise if we've been sitting all day, so too do our senses hunger to be stimulated."

Norman Doidge, M.D., Columbia University


"There is evidence that the prevalence of pornography in the lives of many children and adolescents is far more significant than most adults realize, that pornography is deforming the healthy sexual development of these young viewers, and that it is used to exploit children and adolescents."

Mary Anne Layden, director of the Sexual Trauma and Psychopathology Program,
Center for Cognitive Therapy, Department of Psychiatry, University of Pennsylvania


"This collection of papers on The Social Costs of Pornography reveals just how multimedia pornography has become the chief means by which the emergent sex industry encourages the solicitations of the senses to overwhelm the moral and aesthetic feelings of fitness on which all civilized actions and an ordered culture depend. Pornography represents the contemporary means of making Caligulas of us all—with all that that implies in terms of violence, misogyny, and interpersonal grief. Read this collection and know your enemy."

Paul McHugh, University Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry
Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine


"The Social Costs of Pornography: A Collection of Papers presents new evidence that even free speech libertarians should seriously consider. Responsible citizenship obligates us to face not only the harms of censorship, but also the possible consequences of free speech itself. The First Amendment correctly protects much speech that poses potential harm to society, but we properly take constitutional measures to ameliorate the effects of such expression. The Social Costs of Pornography challenges us to consider harms associated with the ubiquitous availability of pornography in the Internet Age, and to consider remedies appropriate to First Amendment principles."

Donald A. Downs, Alexander Meiklejohn Professor of Political Science, Law, and Journalism
University of Wisconsin, Madison


More women are employed by the sex industry than at any other time in history.
Research related to women working in various aspects of the sex industry indicates that they are faced with higher rates of drug addiction, sexually transmitted diseases, violent assaults, and more mental health problems than the general population. Women in the sex industry experience Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder at rates equivalent to veterans of combat war. One study found that 35% of strippers have Multiple Personality Disorder, 55% had Borderline Personality Disorder, and 60% had Major Depressive Episodes.
Between 66% and 90% of women in the sex industry were sexually abused as children.
89% of women in the sex industry said they wanted to escape, but had no other means for survival.
Strippers are often substance abusers: one study found the number to be around 40%.
Women who work in the sex industry have only a 25% chance of making a marriage last for at least three years.
70% of strippers reported that they have been followed home, and 42% say they have been stalked .

And do not forget the halth issues that go on behind the scenes of the porn industry that have an indirect impact on the economy.

"A shocking outbreak of HIV has caused the adult film industry's trade association to try to impose a moratorium. The stories about what went wrong are tragic and graphic, and reveal a business that actually cares little about its employees. I'm not exaggerating: it doesn't give a damn. We are repeatedly told porn is something that people choose to engage in – that it's a safe and pressure-free environment. Cameron Bay's account of how she contracted HIV from a fellow performer who was actually bleeding on set says different. Filming at a public bar, she describes a scene out of the last days of Rome:"

"There were up to 50 people in the room with us. And we were laying on top of them. And they were touching inappropriately. It all happened so fast. I didn’t realize how unsafe it was until I saw the pictures … You're on a whole other level when you're doing something so extreme."

"Performer Derrick Buts told how he worked in porn for just four months and still managed to contract chlamydia, gonorrhea and herpes – before finally succumbing to HIV. Patrick Stone told reporters that he'd been tested positive for HIV and advised his employer, yet he was still asked to do filming. Most of these people had surprisingly brief careers in porn before disaster struck. It's not unreasonable to conclude that they were lied to about conditions and consequences."

"Rather than facing up to the truth about human nature, Western society prefers to replace old lies with new ones. We used to lie to ourselves that no one looks at porn and that if you do your eyes will fall out. Now we lie that everyone looks at online porn (they don't, and of those who do some 80 per cent are men), that it has no side-effects, that it's 100 per cent safe to perform in, and that it's really just a business like any other. In some senses, that last proposition is right: it's subject to the whims of market forces and changing technology that affect newspapers and book publishers. But in so many ways it is something uniquely dangerous and potentially lethal. It desperately needs far tighter regulation and a more healthy degree of public shunning. Things like filth are usually taboos for a reason."
-Dr Tim Stanley - Society - The Telegraph

[Kelinfort]

They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.

So then you using your technology, which is certainly not natural, is also rebellion? Also this requires sentient thought so are we saying animals now possess the ability to hold ideology and the higher thinking required to reject said ideology?

Seriously, books. Read them.

YOU"RE REBELLING AGAINST YHWH OMG!1!1111!!!!1111

[United Individuals of Us]

They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.

*tilts head* what's a god?

Since you asked: "what's a god?"

"In monotheism and henotheism, God is conceived as the Supreme Being and principal object of faith. The concept of God as described by theologians commonly includes the attributes of omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence. In theism, God is the creator and sustainer of the universe, while in deism, God is the creator, but not the sustainer, of the universe. Monotheism is the belief in the existence of one God or in the oneness of God. In pantheism, God is the universe itself. In atheism, God does not exist, while God is deemed unknown or unknowable within the context of agnosticism. God has also been conceived as being incorporeal (immaterial), a personal being, the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent"." -wiki

"The many different conceptions of God, and competing claims as to God's characteristics, aims, and actions, have led to the development of ideas of omnitheism, pandeism, or a perennial philosophy, which postulates that there is one underlying theological truth, of which all religions express a partial understanding, and as to which "the devout in the various great world religions are in fact worshipping that one God, but through different, overlapping concepts or mental images of him." -wiki

Oddly enough, in the Chrisitan's New Testament, Jesus himself discusses the topic of gods with the Jews he was speaking with which is recorded in the book of John chapter 10.

32 Jesus said to them, My Father has enabled Me to do many good deeds. [I have shown many acts of mercy in your presence.] For which of these do you mean to stone Me?

33 The Jews replied, We are not going to stone You for a good act, but for blasphemy, because You, a mere [e]Man, make Yourself [out to be] God.

34 Jesus answered, Is it not written in your Law, I said, You are gods?

35 So men are called gods [by the Law], men to whom God’s message came—and the Scripture cannot be set aside or cancelled or broken or annulled—

36 [If that is true] do you say of the One Whom the Father consecrated and dedicated and set apart for Himself and sent into the world, You are blaspheming, because I said, I am the Son of God?

37 If I am not doing the works [performing the deeds] of My Father, then do not believe Me [do not adhere to Me and trust Me and rely on Me].

38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe Me or have faith in Me, [at least] believe the works and have faith in what I do, in order that you may know and understand [clearly] that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father [One with Him].

The written Law that Jesus referred to in his conversation with the Jews he was with is recorded in the Book of Psalms

Psalm 82
A Psalm of Asaph.

1 God stands in the assembly [of the representatives] of God; in the midst of the magistrates or judges He gives judgment [as] among the gods.

2 How long will you [magistrates or judges] judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? Selah [pause, and calmly think of that]!

3 Do justice to the weak (poor) and fatherless; maintain the rights of the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy; rescue them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 [The magistrates and judges] know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in the darkness [of complacent satisfaction]; all the foundations of the earth [the fundamental principles upon which rests the administration of justice] are shaking.

6 I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.

7 But you shall die as men and fall as one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth! For to You belong all the nations.


Too often it seems people get the impression that the word "God" is the name of an being/entity, whereas the term God more of a descriptive word like explaining what a policeman is, firefighter is, doctor is, etc. In the written Law of the Jews, God is recorded having a conversation with Moses whereby Moses asks God what to say when the people ask who it is that has sent Moses to deliver the people from Pharoahs hand. The record states that God replies by saying:

Exodus 3:14

13 And Moses said to God, Behold, when I come to the Israelites and say to them, The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they say to me, What is His name? What shall I say to them?

14 And God said to Moses, I Am Who I Am and What I Am, and I Will Be What I Will Be; and He said, You shall say this to the Israelites: I Am has sent me to you!

15 God said also to Moses, This shall you say to the Israelites: The Lord, the God of your fathers, of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, has sent me to you! This is My [c]name forever, and by this name I am to be remembered to all generations.

Irony being that the cartoon Popeye used a similar phrase quite often with Popeye saying: "I ams what I am, and thats alls that I am"? Earliest recording of Popeye using that phrase is Paramount Pictures did a Popeye cartoon in which Popeye sings 'I yam what I yam and that's all what I yam.'
The year? 1933.

[Rhyfelnydd]

They practice those behaviours as rebellion against God.

*tilts head* what's a god?

A miserable pile of secrets!

[The Alexanderians]

Chastity is the only thing natural.

Then why do 1500 species practice homosexuality? And why do hedgehogs, apes, and Bonobos practice promiscuity?

Also, why the fuck does nature matter? Your internet connection ain't natural.

Are there really that many? I knew some dogs and simians did it, as well as dolphins but 1500?

[Benian Republic]

Why does it even matter if they mastrubate to people on their electronics?

[The Alexanderians]

Why does it even matter if they mastrubate to people on their electronics?

Cause it makes the keyboard all messy