Falklands or Malvinas? (And Anglo-Saxon Bias)

[Geilinor]

This thing a-fucking-gain? Christ. Falklands. Argentina doesn't have even a single legitimate claim.

That's why this conflict is taking over 150 years to resolve.

The Argentine government's position is that the will of the Falklanders is irrelevant.

[Parhe]

I think there might be anglo-saxon bias approaching.

Surprising when you asked whether a group that believe themselves to be Anglo-Saxons should remain part of the United Kingdom as they voted to.

[Ifreann]

Why are you euphemistically referring to Britain as 'the Lion'? You should really refer to it as 'the Lion and Unicorn', as the Scots Guards were deployed, and the national animal of Scotland is the Unicorn.

ALso, why are you continually using the term 'Empire', even in relation to 21st century disputes/arguments? The British Empire no longer exists.

The Empire was never formally dissolved, so technically, it still exists.

Also, the Falkland Islans, Gibraltar, and other islands remain under the control of the British empire.

''The Lion and the Unicorn'' is too long. The Lion has traditionally been the animal that represented the British Empire.

That's a bulldog, not a lion.

[Dumb Ideologies]

This thing a-fucking-gain? Christ. Falklands. Argentina doesn't have even a single legitimate claim.

That's why this conflict is taking over 150 years to resolve.

Most people's reaction to not having a legitimate claim is to move on with their lives. You should try it.

[Infected Mushroom]

I completely understand Thatcher's decision for war. She had to call the troops. The honour and reputation of Britain was at stake. It couldn't be seen as a crumbling structure.

No. Her handling of the situation was catastrophic. Not as bad as her handling of northern irland (for which she honestly should have been put on a war trial) but still showing off U.K's weakness to the whole world.

You mean she should have let the Argentineans take land from the Empire and for Irish nationalists to dictate Ireland's future (to the detriment of the interests of the empire)?

That's not acting like a strong leader.

[Ecrotia]

The Empire was never formally dissolved, so technically, it still exists.

Also, the Falkland Islans, Gibraltar, and other islands remain under the control of the British empire.

''The Lion and the Unicorn'' is too long. The Lion has traditionally been the animal that represented the British Empire.

That's a bulldog, not a lion.

Well, both.

[Aelex]

Her economic policies may not be the best, but she managed to ensure Britain's continued domination over the Falkland Islands.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, so an island inhabited by less than 2000 people is somewhat more valuable than the collapse of British's economy and of the horrible degradation of the situation for the poor in U.K? Best logic ever.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The Empire was never formally dissolved, so technically, it still exists.

Also, the Falkland Islans, Gibraltar, and other islands remain under the control of the British empire.

''The Lion and the Unicorn'' is too long. The Lion has traditionally been the animal that represented the British Empire.

That's a bulldog, not a lion.

Because the British Empire was just that ugly.

[Infected Mushroom]

That's a bulldog, not a lion.

Well, both.

I've always thought it was

Lion = British Empire
Bear = Russian Empire
Eagle = the USA and Germany

France is supposed to be a rooster but its rarely represented by it.

[United facist States of America]

It's the Falklands obviously.

[Imperializt Russia]

Many of you may of remembered the Falklands referendum in 2013, where 99.2% of Falklanders Voted to say British and not be transferred to Argentinian control.

No, 99%+ of Falklanders voted to remain in the status quo. They didn't vote against being transferred to Argentina, they voted against becoming independent of Britain.

Therefore, the entire premise of your OP is factually unsupported.

[Saint Kitten]

Argentina is the rightful territory of Spain, m8.

K. So that's why Spain recognized Argentina's independence.

Especially as of right now, the idea of Spain being able to maintain control of any other country other than itself is laughable.

[The Northumbrian Republic]

That's why this conflict is taking over 150 years to resolve.

Most people's reaction to not having a legitimate claim is to move on with their lives. You should try it.

The Soviet Union didn't have a claim to the Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, Central Asia, or the Caucasian countries.
Russia doesn't have a legitimate claim of Chechnya either.

[Kouralia]

That's a bulldog, not a lion.

Because the British Empire was just that ugly.

:'(

Can we not have a unicorn?

[Imperializt Russia]

That's a bulldog, not a lion.

Because the British Empire was just that ugly.

And? Nine times out of ten, you're still not going to fuck with it.

[Infected Mushroom]

Her economic policies may not be the best, but she managed to ensure Britain's continued domination over the Falkland Islands.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, so an island inhabited by less than 2000 people is somewhat more valuable than the collapse of British's economy and of the horrible degradation of the situation for the poor in U.K? Best logic ever.

if a foreign nation can seize one of Britain's possessions with impunity, then Britain is no longer a nation to be feared.

And if that happens, you'll have a lot more problems.

[Kouralia]

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah, so an island inhabited by less than 2000 people is somewhat more valuable than the collapse of British's economy and of the horrible degradation of the situation for the poor in U.K? Best logic ever.

if a foreign nation can seize one of Britain's possessions with impunity, then Britain is no longer a nation to be feared.

And if that happens, you'll have a lot more problems.

[The Northumbrian Republic]

Many of you may of remembered the Falklands referendum in 2013, where 99.2% of Falklanders Voted to say British and not be transferred to Argentinian control.

No, 99%+ of Falklanders voted to remain in the status quo. They didn't vote against being transferred to Argentina, they voted against becoming independent of Britain.

Therefore, the entire premise of your OP is factually unsupported.

This is british empire/east anglia anglo-saxon bias at it's finest, blocking the islands from being independent and forcing them under Westminster.

[Zrhajan]

Compromise solution. everybody leaves, and everybody leaves it alone, just as it was before the British colonized it. That way, nobody but the penguins get what they want.

In all seriousness though, the British have a stronger claim, not to mention, the referendum did have an overwhelming majority of people supporting remaining a British Overseas territory.

[Ecrotia]

Well, both.

I've always thought it was

Lion = British Empire
Bear = Russian Empire
Eagle = the USA and Germany

France is supposed to be a rooster but its rarely represented by it.

Don't forget the Scottish Unicorn, Irish Clover and the Welsh Dragon for...never mind

[Geilinor]

Many of you may of remembered the Falklands referendum in 2013, where 99.2% of Falklanders Voted to say British and not be transferred to Argentinian control.

No, 99%+ of Falklanders voted to remain in the status quo. They didn't vote against being transferred to Argentina, they voted against becoming independent of Britain.

Therefore, the entire premise of your OP is factually unsupported.

They can't become part of Argentina if they want the status quo.

[United facist States of America]

Why are you euphemistically referring to Britain as 'the Lion'? You should really refer to it as 'the Lion and Unicorn', as the Scots Guards were deployed, and the national animal of Scotland is the Unicorn.

ALso, why are you continually using the term 'Empire', even in relation to 21st century disputes/arguments? The British Empire no longer exists.

The Empire was never formally dissolved, so technically, it still exists.

Also, the Falkland Islans, Gibraltar, and other islands remain under the control of the British empire.

''The Lion and the Unicorn'' is too long. The Lion has traditionally been the animal that represented the British Empire.

The Roman Empire was also never formally dissolved does this mean we should refer to Italy as Rome.

[Wisconsin9]

No, 99%+ of Falklanders voted to remain in the status quo. They didn't vote against being transferred to Argentina, they voted against becoming independent of Britain.

Therefore, the entire premise of your OP is factually unsupported.

This is british empire/east anglia anglo-saxon bias at it's finest, blocking the islands from being independent and forcing them under Westminster.

People voting nearly unanimously to stay a part of a country now equals that country actually oppressing those people. *vigorous nodding*

[Ifreann]

That's a bulldog, not a lion.

Because the British Empire was just that ugly.

They might piss on your carpet, but on the other hand, they're great for chewing off Hitler's leg.

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Well, both.

I've always thought it was

Lion = British Empire
Bear = Russian Empire
Eagle = the USA and Germany

France is supposed to be a rooster but its rarely represented by it.

This is because you're obsessed with Game of Thrones and want real life countries to mirror its use of animal motifs. Lannisters might be lions, but Britons aren't.

[Imperializt Russia]

Most people's reaction to not having a legitimate claim is to move on with their lives. You should try it.

The Soviet Union didn't have a claim to the Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, Central Asia, or the Caucasian countries.
Russia doesn't have a legitimate claim of Chechnya either.

It would seem, from your examples, that most of the world did indeed "move on with their lives" over those turns of events.
None of those claims were significantly challenged, except by some insurgency movements and limited diplomatic quarrel.

Until it collapsed, the Soviet Union's claim on the Baltics, Ukraine, Belarus, Central Asia and the Caucasus (pardon my ignorance, but isn't most of the Caucasus in Russia anyway?), and Russia's continued claim on Chechnya, have run largely unopposed.