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Do you smoke any form of tobacco?

Yes
52
16%
No
251
76%
Occasionally
28
8%
 
Total votes : 331

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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:13 pm

Australian Republic wrote:The poll should allow re-voting. People change whether or not they smoke all the time.
Also, there should be the option of "Former smoker"

This thread won't last that long.

And if he adds another option, it all gets reset.
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Australian rePublic
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:14 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Suicide generally isn't illegal these days.

It isn't suicide. It is putting other in danger from second hand smoke.

Now, now there is a huge difference between smoking in a private area and in a public area and moreover, smoking in a large open public area and smoking in a small confined public room
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Australian rePublic
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:15 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:The poll should allow re-voting. People change whether or not they smoke all the time.
Also, there should be the option of "Former smoker"

This thread won't last that long.

Someone could be a former smoker today because they quit smoking in 2004

And if he adds another option, it all gets reset.

True that
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Ardoki
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Postby Ardoki » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:16 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Ardoki wrote:It isn't suicide. It is putting other in danger from second hand smoke.

Now, now there is a huge difference between smoking in a private area and in a public area and moreover, smoking in a large open public area and smoking in a small confined public room

The toxic fumes are in your breath and on your clothes.
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Cannabis Islands
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Postby Cannabis Islands » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:17 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:The poll should allow re-voting. People change whether or not they smoke all the time.
Also, there should be the option of "Former smoker"

This thread won't last that long.
.


It's sad too. Were can we smokers go and talk about a legal product we enjoy using on NSG?
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Australian rePublic
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Postby Australian rePublic » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:17 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Now, now there is a huge difference between smoking in a private area and in a public area and moreover, smoking in a large open public area and smoking in a small confined public room

The toxic fumes are in your breath and on your clothes.

That depends on how close you get to them
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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:18 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Now, now there is a huge difference between smoking in a private area and in a public area and moreover, smoking in a large open public area and smoking in a small confined public room

The toxic fumes are in your breath and on your clothes.

One can't commit attempted murder with smoke-smelling clothing.
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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:21 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Now, now there is a huge difference between smoking in a private area and in a public area and moreover, smoking in a large open public area and smoking in a small confined public room

The toxic fumes are in your breath and on your clothes.

Don't go into a smoker's home and you are fine.

Otherwise, the contact is so minimal it's completely negligible.

Assuming they actually smoke inside their home.
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Occupied Deutschland
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Postby Occupied Deutschland » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:21 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:Now, now there is a huge difference between smoking in a private area and in a public area and moreover, smoking in a large open public area and smoking in a small confined public room

The toxic fumes are in your breath and on your clothes.

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Hey kids! Smoking gives you superpowers!
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Keylandia
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Founded: Jun 29, 2015
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Postby Keylandia » Thu Jul 09, 2015 7:26 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Suicide generally isn't illegal these days.

It isn't suicide. It is putting other in danger from second hand smoke.

Look, I hate smoking. Never tried it, never will and I'm all for banning it in all public areas. If you smoke in a public area then you should A) be kicked out of said area, B) fined or C) both. I also continually support increasing taxes on the sale of tobacco. However, to make it illegal is clearly over stepping a boundary. If it's done in a place that doesn't affect anyone else then you should have that choice.

And I agree with everyone who pointed out prohibition in the 20's as a perfect example why not to outlaw smoking.

Honestly, I think the percentage of people who smoke will continue to decline until it makes up a very, very small minority.
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Kisinger
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Postby Kisinger » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:22 pm

This thread made me light up a cigar I have had on my desk for god only knows how long...
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Cannabis Islands
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Postby Cannabis Islands » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:24 pm

Kisinger wrote:This thread made me light up a cigar I have had on my desk for god only knows how long...


Ah, hopefully we Americans can buy Cuban cigars in the shops soon.
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Kisinger
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Postby Kisinger » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:27 pm

Cannabis Islands wrote:
Kisinger wrote:This thread made me light up a cigar I have had on my desk for god only knows how long...


Ah, hopefully we Americans can buy Cuban cigars in the shops soon.

If they do, I might just start smoking cigars regularly.... Have yet to decide if it's a good or bad thing....
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Egoman
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Postby Egoman » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:59 am

Ardoki wrote:You really shouldn't smoke.

We are not only concerned with your health, we are also concerned about how you are damaging the health system and poisoning others with second-hand smoke.

You really shouldn't tell anyone what to do, since you are in no position to do so.

The health of others is not your concern. If you don't want to be contaminated by someone's presence when they smoke, don't go near that person in the first place.

Ardoki wrote:If you smoke in your house, I hope no one else visits as a concentrated toxic cloud of cigarette smoke is present and is very harmful. If you smoke outside, you could harm other people outside or near where you are.

Well, no one is forced to visit...

Ardoki wrote:I'm trying to save their lives.

What is it with you moralizers and your pathological altruism? If someone is hurt from something, you could always first look if that could've been avoidable by the 'victim' instead of making the smoker feel miserable and pull other smokers to the same misery.

Ardoki wrote:I think that the government should ban smoking and introduce laws where anyone caught smoking is charged with attempted murder (and those distributing them are charged with attempted mass murder).

And this is precisely what I meant. Your pathological altruism is why you shouldn't be deciding over other people's lives, ever.

Ardoki wrote:It isn't suicide. It is putting other in danger from second hand smoke.

As I already said earlier, "If you don't want to be contaminated by someone's presence when they smoke, don't go near that person in the first place". It's really that simple.

Ardoki wrote:The toxic fumes are in your breath and on your clothes.

Solution: don't stand so close to them. There, I fixed your problem. Also, source on the breath and clothes becoming toxic and it not being a simple case of stinky breath and clothes.


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Calimera II
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Postby Calimera II » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:34 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Cannabis Islands wrote:
Can I bump one off you, Pruss?

Yes sir. Every party I go to, I end up going through about three or so packs, because everyone knows I'll let them bum off me. :p

My god, three packs.....

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Costa Fierro
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Postby Costa Fierro » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:51 am

I just love how people on NSG seems to think that it's OK to tell people what they can and cannot put in their mouths but God help us all if one of us dares suggest what others do with their genitalia.

If people want to smoke, let them.
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Cannabis Islands
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Postby Cannabis Islands » Fri Jul 10, 2015 1:52 am

Costa Fierro wrote:I just love how people on NSG seems to think that it's OK to tell people what they can and cannot put in their mouths but God help us all if one of us dares suggest what others do with their genitalia.

If people want to smoke, let them.


Well we fags love our fags :)
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Why I'm no longer a Socialist.
My pronouns: That asshole from /pol/, bigot, misogynist, transphobe, racist
And no, my flag is NOT used for RPing :)
Finally, fuck your trigger warnings.

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Egoman
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Postby Egoman » Fri Jul 10, 2015 2:19 am

Cannabis Islands wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:I just love how people on NSG seems to think that it's OK to tell people what they can and cannot put in their mouths but God help us all if one of us dares suggest what others do with their genitalia.

If people want to smoke, let them.


Well we fags love our fags :)

I hate them but what I hate even more are the moralists trying to influence your life to be more according to the spooks of mind they believe in.
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Ifreann
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 10, 2015 5:30 am

Page wrote:
Ardoki wrote:I think that the government should ban smoking and introduce laws where anyone caught smoking is charged with attempted murder (and those distributing them are charged with attempted mass murder).


The Poe's Law of it all is killing me.

I know, right?


Cannabis Islands wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:I just love how people on NSG seems to think that it's OK to tell people what they can and cannot put in their mouths but God help us all if one of us dares suggest what others do with their genitalia.

If people want to smoke, let them.


Well we fags love our fags :)

Especially bumming them.

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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:53 am

Calimera II wrote:Oh well, that's weird. "I do not care. I want to keep smoking."

You've never met a smoker who doesn't want to quit?
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Cannabis Islands
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Postby Cannabis Islands » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:22 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Page wrote:
The Poe's Law of it all is killing me.

I know, right?


Cannabis Islands wrote:
Well we fags love our fags :)

Especially bumming them.



:rofl:
About me: I have a strong dislike of religion and the current social justice narrative. Used to be a SSPX-like Catholic, but not anymore. And no, my nation does not represent my real views...most of the time.
Why I'm no longer a Socialist.
My pronouns: That asshole from /pol/, bigot, misogynist, transphobe, racist
And no, my flag is NOT used for RPing :)
Finally, fuck your trigger warnings.

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Postby Page » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:41 am

I can't vape in the airports of Dystopian Nanny State New York but I can watch a person consume an entire giant Toblerone all alone.
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Solaas
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Postby Solaas » Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:02 pm

Ex-smoker with a great tolerance and empathy towards actual smokers.

Page wrote:I can't vape in the airports of Dystopian Nanny State New York but I can watch a person consume an entire giant Toblerone all alone.


The saddest thing is that in most airports vapers are enforced to share a very little and horrible enclosed smoking area with real smokers.
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Ardoki
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Postby Ardoki » Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:54 pm

Page wrote:I can't vape in the airports of Dystopian Nanny State New York but I can watch a person consume an entire giant Toblerone all alone.

Vaping e-cigarettes is just as bad as smoking cigarettes. It releases very high levels of formaldehyde, an incredibly dangerous carcinogen.

Of course it should be banned in public places. It's a public health issue.
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