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Do you smoke any form of tobacco?

Yes
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16%
No
251
76%
Occasionally
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Total votes : 331

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Ardoki
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Postby Ardoki » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:56 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Second hand smoke! You put others in danger! The traces on your clothes and in your breath can kill (especially young children)!

It is a public health and safety issue.

No, it's actually not.

Yes, it actually is.

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Second hand smoke! You put others in danger! The traces on your clothes and in your breath can kill (especially young children)!

It is a public health and safety issue.

Third hand smoke is nonexistent bullshit. I do not smoke around people who don't want to be smoked around.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/passive_smoking

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/tobaccocancer/secondhand-smoke

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/secondhand_smoke/general_facts/
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:57 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Why would she be angry at her life being improved.


Because in her eyes it wouldn't be an improvement and people don't like nanny states. That shit is retarded, people should be able to make their own choices.

But you can't have people living their life the way they want to! That would be like... bad, or something.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:58 pm

Will never smoke. I'm personally fine with smokers, even in public facilities.

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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:58 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Oh no, she likes to smoke and she would be very angry if someone tried to take that away. You don't get what to decide what makes other people happy, that's a retarded idea.

Why would she be angry at her life being improved.

Your naïve worldview is much more understandable, now that we're aware of your circumstances.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:59 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Because in her eyes it wouldn't be an improvement and people don't like nanny states. That shit is retarded, people should be able to make their own choices.

But you can't have people living their life the way they want to! That would be like... bad, or something.


Indeed, we should all just live in bubbles where nothing bad can ever happen and be under surveillance 24/7.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:59 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Why would she be angry at her life being improved.

Your naïve worldview is much more understandable, now that we're aware of your circumstances.

Good grief. I'm younger then Ardoki, but I still have a much more logical view of the world than he does.

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Ardoki
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Postby Ardoki » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:01 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Why would she be angry at her life being improved.

Your naïve worldview is much more understandable, now that we're aware of your circumstances.

What is that suppose to mean?
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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:01 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Your naïve worldview is much more understandable, now that we're aware of your circumstances.

What is that suppose to mean?

You are sheltered, so you have taken on ridiculous ideas to attempt to shelter everyone else.
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Postby Ardoki » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:03 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Ardoki wrote:What is that suppose to mean?

You are sheltered, so you have taken on ridiculous ideas to attempt to shelter everyone else.

How am I sheltered?
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Postby Nickel Empire » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:05 pm

I haven't smoked nor of age in my area. At first I could stand the smell of smoke now it feels like I'm choking and my lungs are on fire. Probably when I'm older I will try a cigar for a special occasion.
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Postby Kisinger » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:05 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:You are sheltered, so you have taken on ridiculous ideas to attempt to shelter everyone else.

How am I sheltered?

You are 18, live at home, and said yourself you don't go out much. And throwing in the restrictions of your diet which you still enforce on yourself I'd say that qualifies as sheltered....
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:05 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Oh no, she likes to smoke and she would be very angry if someone tried to take that away. You don't get what to decide what makes other people happy, that's a retarded idea.

Why would she be angry at her life being improved.

Legislating morality never works.

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Postby Ardoki » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:07 pm

Kisinger wrote:
Ardoki wrote:How am I sheltered?

You are 18, live at home, and said yourself you don't go out much. And throwing in the restrictions of your diet which you still enforce on yourself I'd say that qualifies as sheltered....

Of course I am still at home, I'm still in high school.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:08 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Kisinger wrote:You are 18, live at home, and said yourself you don't go out much. And throwing in the restrictions of your diet which you still enforce on yourself I'd say that qualifies as sheltered....

Of course I am still at home, I'm still in high school.

I'm still in high school as well and still at home, but yet I have a much more logical view of the world than you do.

Just because you were sheltered all your life does not mean you can shelter everyone else.

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Ardoki
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Postby Ardoki » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:10 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Of course I am still at home, I'm still in high school.

I'm still in high school as well and still at home, but yet I have a much more logical view of the world than you do.

Just because you were sheltered all your life does not mean you can shelter everyone else.

The people should be sheltered under the state. That is logical, the state should behave like a nanny towards its citizens.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:11 pm

Ardoki wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I'm still in high school as well and still at home, but yet I have a much more logical view of the world than you do.

Just because you were sheltered all your life does not mean you can shelter everyone else.

The people should be sheltered under the state. That is logical, the state should behave like a nanny towards its citizens.


No, it shouldn't. We don't want that and it's not needed.
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Lockdownn
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Postby Lockdownn » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:11 pm

Ardoki wrote:She would be happy, that she can live a healthier and more pleasant life. She might not realise it at first, but eventually she will.

It should not be the states' responsibility for the choices that people personally as long as they are not hurting anyone.

Sure smoking is deadly and all but guess what, for some people it's a stress reliever whether it works or not. Forcing them to quit WILL. NOT. WORK. That's how we have this whole drug cartel problem. You take it away and people will try to go to any lengths possible to achieve it.

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Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:11 pm

Ardoki wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I'm still in high school as well and still at home, but yet I have a much more logical view of the world than you do.

Just because you were sheltered all your life does not mean you can shelter everyone else.

The people should be sheltered under the state. That is logical, the state should behave like a nanny towards its citizens.

False.
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Postby Lockdownn » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:12 pm

Ardoki wrote:The people should be sheltered under the state. That is logical, the state should behave like a nanny towards its citizens.

No to everything in this fucking post.

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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:13 pm

Ardoki wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I'm still in high school as well and still at home, but yet I have a much more logical view of the world than you do.

Just because you were sheltered all your life does not mean you can shelter everyone else.

The people should be sheltered under the state. That is logical, the state should behave like a nanny towards its citizens.

:palm:

Seriously man, you need to get out more and see the world.

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Postby Nurkama » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:15 pm

Ayreonia wrote:
Islamic Republic e Jariri wrote:Wow, I actually expected the majority to be smokers, or at least occasional smokers. Maybe tobacco could be banned after all...

The majority of people on NS are kids, so...


Lies.

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Ardoki
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Postby Ardoki » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:15 pm

Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:
Ardoki wrote:The people should be sheltered under the state. That is logical, the state should behave like a nanny towards its citizens.

False.

It makes perfect sense.

My parents (and sometimes others) cared for me when I was little, made sure I was happy and that I would not do anything harmful. That is natural, most parents are like that.
Extend it a little, with the state being like parents and the citizens being like children.

I had such a happy childhood, it works very well.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:20 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:False.

It makes perfect sense.

My parents (and sometimes others) cared for me when I was little, made sure I was happy and that I would not do anything harmful. That is natural, most parents are like that.
Extend it a little, with the state being like parents and the citizens being like children.

I had such a happy childhood, it works very well.

The state is not our parent. The state is not responsible for baby-sitting grown adults. Do you not realize how ridiculous you sound right now?

You have been sheltered all of your life, and now you are trying to shelter everyone else.

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Postby Ardoki » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:20 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Ardoki wrote:It makes perfect sense.

My parents (and sometimes others) cared for me when I was little, made sure I was happy and that I would not do anything harmful. That is natural, most parents are like that.
Extend it a little, with the state being like parents and the citizens being like children.

I had such a happy childhood, it works very well.

The state is not our parent. The state is not responsible for baby-sitting grown adults. Do you not realize how ridiculous you sound right now?

You have been sheltered all of your life, and now you are trying to shelter everyone else.

It's for their own good.
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Postby Lockdownn » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:21 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:False.

It makes perfect sense.

My parents (and sometimes others) cared for me when I was little, made sure I was happy and that I would not do anything harmful. That is natural, most parents are like that.
Extend it a little, with the state being like parents and the citizens being like children.

I had such a happy childhood, it works very well.

Fuck no....

People should be able to make their own decisions. If we had that we'd have way to many people so unintelligent that society couldn't function. You know what else is natural? Taking risks, trying new things, exploring new ideas, not being watched over by the state like a hawk giving them and even shittier thing to waste their time on.

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