White Pride: A good thing?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Indeed, there's that white pride then there's pride in being part of a race which not only linked the world but has with other races, come together (mostly) to advance human progress

White Pride is okay, White POWER is not

I've never seen a White Pride movement that wasn't a White Power movement at the heart of it.

[The NAR]

White Pride is okay, White POWER is not

I've never seen a White Pride movement that wasn't a White Power movement at the heart of it.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean they don't exist. And you say this ignoring the fact that Black People also have Black Pride movements, plus the extremely racist street gangs

[Laerod]

Indeed, there's that white pride then there's pride in being part of a race which not only linked the world but has with other races, come together (mostly) to advance human progress

White Pride is okay, White POWER is not

There's no actual difference.

[Aryan peoples united]

It's so funny to me, everyone calling race nothing more then melanin. Race is huge, it's everything, it's the only thing about you you can't change and skin color has nothing to do with it. Race is not simply a social construct. It is based in genetics 100%. It affects culture, instinct, behavior and everything else about you. Being proud of your race doesn't mean being proud of skin color, it means being proud of your ancestry, ancestors, and your people. Actually the idea that race is a social construct is a fallacy perpetuated by scientists with a social agenda to hide the truth, for example famous scientist lewontin upon whose ideas, the social construct theory is based, claiming genetic differences are negligible. However, the genetic differences, are 85% within individuals within a race, and 15% between races. You can see the bias, in that many scientists, including the founder of the fixation index, sewell wright, says even a difference of 5% wouldn't be negligible. Furthermore, as sewell and others claims, with a genetic differences of 15% between races, if it were any other race then humans, we would be talking about separate species or subspecies instead of race. It is only due to belligerent liberal refusal to accept the truth of human differentiation that we still see humans as even the same species, despite genetics suggesting the contrary. The differences based on genetics between race are way more diverse and prevalent then sunburn as stated above. Examples, almost the entire European population is lactose tolerant, around 30% of Africa, very little of Asians. Asians have dry flaky ear wax, the epicanthic fold, a different form of dentation. Africans have different skulls, a wide, wide variety of medication suitable for Europeans is totally unsuitable and in many cases dangerous to give even to african american blacks with prevalent admixture. Another example parris safety of Harvard and his team, defined 412 regions of dna, under intense evolutionary selection, with Europeans having 140 under selection only in Europeans, africans having 132 east Asians another 140, these are genes unique to each race, meaning out of the 412 there is almost no genetic overlap, the greatest amount of overlap being between Europeans and Asians the next greatest being between Asians and africans, in fact when it comes to the 15% of the Genome responsible for differences in human racial groups, it would be more appropriate to say shared genes or similarities between Europeans and africans is what should be called negligible not the differences. Despite all this, and the possible huge medical advances in treatment of blood pressure, and other diseases, scientists are afraid to acknowledge medical differences, to the harm of said populations, for fear of the next step being a genetic differences in iq, which to the scientifically-obsolete liberal junta must be avoided at all costs. The truth of the matter, races differ medically, physically, genetically culturally, yes intellectually, as it has been discovered that in the brain function category four genes were under selection in africans, two in east Asians, and a different two in Europeans, their function is not well understood grantedly however the genes controlling the brain do not lie in some special category untouched by science.(a troublesome inheritance, Nicholas wade pg 106) another regional trend indicated by genome scan, Joshua akey university of Washington, Pritchard scan, max Planck institute, these scans indicate that there are far more genes under evolutionary pressure and having undergone changes, in Europeans and East Asians then africans(my opinion? Shows we have been involving they haven't). And finally my last point the MAO-A gene which heavily influenced anti social behavior and aggression, is very different from race to race, perhaps in the future an African genetic predisposition to criminality will be discovered another reason to suggest segregation is the only solution to the race problemdbin. Above all else however, every race has a right to self determination, it appears to me, that it is taboo in almost any country except Russia, and even there putin jails radical nazis, to discuss issues related to rights and culture, and the power preservation of whites, it has become the enforced through a peer pressure tyranny, and nonviolent cultural consequences, that one must endlessly parrot the p.c. Line, and in fact must work towards depriving the white male of wealth and power, removing him from power is the goal, followed by all things of his that separate him, a people cannot survive without its own culture and institutions and white people world wide are deprived systematically of all of the above,while many places fear immigration and micegination, in other countries no one bats an eyelash when radical racial and nationalist parties act and when elections, only among white nations is this rule enforced. All of this is part of a a systematic race denial and racial integration

[Alyakia]

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[Laerod]

I've never seen a White Pride movement that wasn't a White Power movement at the heart of it.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean they don't exist.

Okay, here's a challenge that no one that made the same claim you're making has been able to overcome: Show us a White Pride movement that isn't associated with racism or White Power.

And you say this ignoring the fact that Black People also have Black Pride movements, plus the extremely racist street gangs

This has been addressed. Your contention that it gets ignored is refuted.

[The NAR]

White Pride is okay, White POWER is not

There's no actual difference.

There's a huge difference

[Ifreann]

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Only inferior races use paragraphs.

[Laerod]

There's no actual difference.

There's a huge difference

I've asked you to prove it above. So far all that "tried" have failed.

[The NAR]

There's a huge difference

I've asked you to prove it above. So far all that "tried" have failed.

White Pride is having pride in your race, culture, and heritage. I'm German, and I'm damn proud of it. White Power is believing the white race is superior to others

[Laerod]

I've asked you to prove it above. So far all that "tried" have failed.

White Pride is having pride in your race, culture, and heritage. I'm German, and I'm damn proud of it. White Power is believing the white race is superior to others

*adds The NAR to the list of people that failed*

[Aryan peoples united]

And for that matter what's wrong with white power, you're telling me you think it is correct for the government to enact policies detrimental to white people, that purposefully degrade our position of power, our rulership over a nation or nations our ancestors built bled and died for? Being against white power to me, say you are against the government doing things to support our culture, self determination, and position in the world. We are supposed to simply roll over, surrender, die and let every competing non-white people over take us, rule over us, and the government, and to be in a position to advance themselves at our detriment. You can't have two more competing cultures and people's, and say just because, this one has to give up its culture,power,wealth and position that we struggled to achieve. A nation is nothing more then a imaginary line, a race is a bloodline, common culture similar face, in short, a race is the only thing that truly matters people should place racial loyalty ahead of any other entanglements short of family, because nothing trumps blood. Blacks vote according to racial benefit, as an interest group like anyother, why can't whites do the same thing, and desire to keep our place in the world, and avoid extermination and extinction due to being dispersed and dissolved in a racial melting pot. I definitely, always vote according to my racial self interest and will continue to do so, I will never support a political soft on immigration or affirmative action. Nancy Pelosi said last year, about the democratic caucus in Congress, that for the first time the democratic party in Congress, is majority, minorities, blacks,Hispanics,gays,women. She said this as a good thing, read between the lines, the goal is to get as close to all white males being removed from positions of power as possible

[The NAR]

White Pride is having pride in your race, culture, and heritage. I'm German, and I'm damn proud of it. White Power is believing the white race is superior to others

*adds The NAR to the list of people that failed*

You're just biased.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

Holy gigantic wall of text, Batman!

It is based in genetics 100%.

... However, the genetic differences, are 85% within individuals within a race, and 15% between races.

In non-coding regions of the genome. ie parts that have no function.

Examples, almost the entire European population is lactose tolerant, around 30% of Africa, very little of Asians.

That's because the gene for lactose tolerance is less than 8000 years old. It originated in what's now the Ukraine or Russia and spent the last 8000 years propagating outward through human populations. It just hasn't had the time to make it all the way through and become a fixed trait yet.

Asians have dry flaky ear wax,

... Do you make a habit of measuring the consistency of Asian peoples' earwax?

Another example parris safety of Harvard and his team,

There is no-one at Harvard by that name. Unless you're horrifically misspelling it, of course. Which is a possibility.

(a troublesome inheritance, Nicholas wade pg 106)

The book has not been well received by much of the scientific community, including many of the scientists upon whose work the book was based. On 8 August 2014, The New York Times Book Review published an open letter signed by 144 faculty members in population genetics and evolutionary biology. The letter read:

As discussed by Dobbs and many others, Wade juxtaposes an incomplete and inaccurate account of our research on human genetic differences with speculation that recent natural selection has led to worldwide differences in I.Q. test results, political institutions and economic development. We reject Wade’s implication that our findings substantiate his guesswork. They do not.

We are in full agreement that there is no support from the field of population genetics for Wade’s conjectures.[9][10]

And finally my last point the MAO-A gene which heavily influenced anti social behavior and aggression, is very different from race to race,

Not really. There's not much proof of there being much functional difference between the different alleles. The only reason it's suddenly become A Thing is because a lawyer decided to try and use the fact that his accused murderer client had a particular variant of the gene to dodge the death penalty.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I've never seen a White Pride movement that wasn't a White Power movement at the heart of it.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean they don't exist. And you say this ignoring the fact that Black People also have Black Pride movements, plus the extremely racist street gangs

I live as a white man in a historically black neighborhood in Los Angeles. I'm aware of Black Pride movements, which were created as a response to centuries of oppression. See, it's one thing to say "I'm black and I'm proud!" in response to people seeing black folks as somehow less, somehow inferior, somehow less worthy of respect, or even equal treatment under the law. It's another thing entirely to say "White pride!" when nobody with any sort of actual influence is putting down white people at all, saying that they're not worthy of equal rights, and particularly when white hands are the ones with their hands on the levers of power.

I know, I know: Black president. Still, the problems persist. Black people make up 12% of the population, and yet only 4% of United States Senators, about 9% of U.S. Representatives, and 2% of governors. 1% of Fortune 500 CEOs are black. Black people, as stated and sourced previously in this thread, are significantly more likely to be pulled over or otherwise stopped by police, more likely to be ticketed or arrested, more likely to be subjected to search for contraband that whites and blacks tend to carry in about equal percentages, more likely to be arrested after a stop, more likely to be sentenced, and more likely to serve a longer sentence. Schools in black neighborhoods tend to have fewer AP and college prep courses, more out of date textbooks, less experienced teachers, fewer extracurricular activities to choose from, and less available equipment in science labs.

In other words, not only are black people less likely to be in power, there's little to indicate that the current power structure is going to lift the obstacles that are currently in their way when it comes to acquiring power.

Therefore, I can see the need for a Black Pride movement, but a White Pride one seems wholly unnecessary, and designed more as a way to maintain disproportionate power and influence than as a response to actual oppression or marginalization.

Of course, if you can show me a White Pride group that isn't using the term as a slightly less offensive version of White Power, I'll take a look.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I've asked you to prove it above. So far all that "tried" have failed.

White Pride is having pride in your race, culture, and heritage. I'm German, and I'm damn proud of it. White Power is believing the white race is superior to others

That's German pride, not white pride. I have a friend who is proud of his Scottish heritage, though I think that he just likes wearing kilts. I have a fondness for my English heritage that manifests in Doctor Who viewings, tea drinking, and British cuisine (which has a far worse reputation than it deserves) That's a different matter entirely, based entirely upon regional cultures, and not on skin tone.

[Sun Wukong]

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean they don't exist. And you say this ignoring the fact that Black People also have Black Pride movements, plus the extremely racist street gangs

I live as a white man in a historically black neighborhood in Los Angeles. I'm aware of Black Pride movements, which were created as a response to centuries of oppression. See, it's one thing to say "I'm black and I'm proud!" in response to people seeing black folks as somehow less, somehow inferior, somehow less worthy of respect, or even equal treatment under the law. It's another thing entirely to say "White pride!" when nobody with any sort of actual influence is putting down white people at all, saying that they're not worthy of equal rights, and particularly when white hands are the ones with their hands on the levers of power.

I know, I know: Black president. Still, the problems persist. Black people make up 12% of the population, and yet only 4% of United States Senators, about 9% of U.S. Representatives, and 2% of governors. 1% of Fortune 500 CEOs are black. Black people, as stated and sourced previously in this thread, are significantly more likely to be pulled over or otherwise stopped by police, more likely to be ticketed or arrested, more likely to be subjected to search for contraband that whites and blacks tend to carry in about equal percentages, more likely to be arrested after a stop, more likely to be sentenced, and more likely to serve a longer sentence. Schools in black neighborhoods tend to have fewer AP and college prep courses, more out of date textbooks, less experienced teachers, fewer extracurricular activities to choose from, and less available equipment in science labs.

In other words, not only are black people less likely to be in power, there's little to indicate that the current power structure is going to lift the obstacles that are currently in their way when it comes to acquiring power.

Therefore, I can see the need for a Black Pride movement, but a White Pride one seems wholly unnecessary, and designed more as a way to maintain disproportionate power and influence than as a response to actual oppression or marginalization.

Of course, if you can show me a White Pride group that isn't using the term as a slightly less offensive version of White Power, I'll take a look.

And, of course, the last bit is impossible.

Not that you couldn't try. I suppose a well-meaning person could put together a White Pride rally with no racist intent whatsoever. But we know who's going to show up at that rally, don't we?

[Aryan peoples united]

Firstly, Im on my phone, it auto corrected, the name is like pardis sabit (spelling still off). I've read all of Nicholas wades books, to my knowledge, I never seen a reference to iq, but obviously, occams razor, iq tests, there absolutely is a genetic basis. The 412 genetic regions I mentioned, only a certain amount, maybe half, exist simply to help code other dna. Regardless what you think, as Mr. Sewell said, if we were talking about any other species then humans, a 15% difference between racial groups, would be seen as separate species. Asians, on the whole, do have flaky ear wax, asking if I've measured it is a nonstarter, meaningless argument to deflect. It's well known, and genetic. mao-a is not extremely well understood, it does very greatly between races in function, and it does have an affect on behavior as almost any accepted theory agrees, even if they don't agree with race. The bottom line is, race as a social construct is propaganda, not science. racial evolution is ongoing, both deep in the past and recently, and copious. Whites and Asians should be considered subspecies, and africans should be considered a different species. Lewontin, and any other sociologist who disagrees is motivated only by politics, not science. Oh and mr. Sewell, is the creator of the fixation index. Plus the medical differences between whites and blacks, certain blood pressure medications coming to mind, is such an obvious signifier of massive differences between races, and the differences are far, far from negligible whether it justifies racism or not is beyond the point, there is a biological basis for categorizing human racial groups separately, fact.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Firstly, Im on my phone, it auto corrected, the name is like pardis sabit (spelling still off). I've read all of Nicholas wades books, to my knowledge, I never seen a reference to iq, but obviously, occams razor, iq tests, there absolutely is a genetic basis. The 412 genetic regions I mentioned, only a certain amount, maybe half, exist simply to help code other dna. Regardless what you think, as Mr. Sewell said, if we were talking about any other species then humans, a 15% difference between racial groups, would be seen as separate species. Asians, on the whole, do have flaky ear wax, asking if I've measured it is a nonstarter, meaningless argument to deflect. It's well known, and genetic. mao-a is not extremely well understood, it does very greatly between races in function, and it does have an affect on behavior as almost any accepted theory agrees, even if they don't agree with race. The bottom line is, race as a social construct is propaganda, not science. racial evolution is ongoing, both deep in the past and recently, and copious. Whites and Asians should be considered subspecies, and africans should be considered a different species. Lewontin, and any other sociologist who disagrees is motivated only by politics, not science. Oh and mr. Sewell, is the creator of the fixation index. Plus the medical differences between whites and blacks, certain blood pressure medications coming to mind, is such an obvious signifier of massive differences between races, and the differences are far, far from negligible whether it justifies racism or not is beyond the point, there is a biological basis for categorizing human racial groups separately, fact.

It's interesting how the form and structure of your intended arguments for white supremacy in the area of intelligence are actually evidence that white skin does not necessarily correlate with either intelligence or coherence.

[Northern ikiah]

yes i'm white and proud and anti-racist

[MERIZoC]

Black people make up 12% of the population, and yet only 4% of United States Senators, about 9% of U.S. Representatives, and 2% of governors. 1% of Fortune 500 CEOs are black.

Ah, but YumYum, they make up 100% of Presidents.

[New Grestin]

Being proud of your race is like being proud of your eye color or preferred breakfast cereals.

It's a worthless, irrelevant fact that nobody should rightly care about, but some people do.

[The NAR]

White Pride is having pride in your race, culture, and heritage. I'm German, and I'm damn proud of it. White Power is believing the white race is superior to others

That's German pride, not white pride. I have a friend who is proud of his Scottish heritage, though I think that he just likes wearing kilts. I have a fondness for my English heritage that manifests in Doctor Who viewings, tea drinking, and British cuisine (which has a far worse reputation than it deserves) That's a different matter entirely, based entirely upon regional cultures, and not on skin tone.

Well actually I'm American with German Descent but WHITE American and I like it that way. I'm proud to be White, don't mean I hate black people

[Ifreann]

That's German pride, not white pride. I have a friend who is proud of his Scottish heritage, though I think that he just likes wearing kilts. I have a fondness for my English heritage that manifests in Doctor Who viewings, tea drinking, and British cuisine (which has a far worse reputation than it deserves) That's a different matter entirely, based entirely upon regional cultures, and not on skin tone.

Well actually I'm American with German Descent but WHITE American and I like it that way. I'm proud to be White, don't mean I hate black people

Clearly you think you have something valuable and worth taking pride in that they lack.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That's German pride, not white pride. I have a friend who is proud of his Scottish heritage, though I think that he just likes wearing kilts. I have a fondness for my English heritage that manifests in Doctor Who viewings, tea drinking, and British cuisine (which has a far worse reputation than it deserves) That's a different matter entirely, based entirely upon regional cultures, and not on skin tone.

Well actually I'm American with German Descent but WHITE American and I like it that way. I'm proud to be White, don't mean I hate black people

Why are you proud to be white?