White Pride: A good thing?

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

White pride, as with any other "pride", inevitably leads to racism, as well as unity through hatred of others. Being white is an accident of birth. It has nothing to do with your abilities or your liberties. I am white, but I don't like myself because I'm white, nor do I hate myself for similar reasons.

[Cinnabarra]

It isn't racist, but it has a racist connotation because the KKK used it a lot.

LGBTQ+ Pride and Black Pride aren't racist because those groups have historically been put down.So, for them to say that they're proud of their ethnicity/sexual orientation was meant to show their oppressor that racism and homophobia didn't affect them.

Whites have been also put down according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_hum ... anderthals

You're not a Neanderthal as far as I'm aware.If you take it so far back then race has a totally different meaning- It means a sub-specie of the global Human race.
At this point in prehistory, society as we know it today didn't exist.That's why this period is called "prehistory" and not "history" (Which starts when written records were kept).

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No.

Then.. By What Fucking logic is white pride racist.

Because it was made by white supremacists because white supremacy is no longer cool.

[Sino nations]

Whites have been also put down according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_hum ... anderthals

You're not a Neanderthal as far as I'm aware.If you take it so far back then race has a totally different meaning- It means a sub-specie of the global Human race.
At this point in prehistory, society as we know it today didn't exist.That's why this period is called "prehistory" and not "history" (Which starts when written records were kept).

Im Not Neanderthal But They Were White.Homo spiens were black.europeans are half Homo sapiens half Neanderthal.Africans Are Fully Homo sapiens and asians are half Denisova and half Homo sapiens.Im European.

[Cinnabarra]

You're not a Neanderthal as far as I'm aware.If you take it so far back then race has a totally different meaning- It means a sub-specie of the global Human race.
At this point in prehistory, society as we know it today didn't exist.That's why this period is called "prehistory" and not "history" (Which starts when written records were kept).

Im Not Neanderthal But They Were White.Homo spiens were black.europeans are half Homo sapiens half Neanderthal.Africans Are Fully Homo sapiens and asians are half Denisova and half Homo sapiens.Im European.

The article says otherwise.We're all at least 96% Homo Sapiens:

A 2010 study of Neanderthal genes and modern human genes concluded that interbreeding took place between Neanderthals and Homo sapiens sapiens between roughly 80,000 to 50,000 years ago in the Middle East, resulting in Europeans and Asians having between 1% and 4% Neanderthal DNA, while sub-Saharan Africans do not have Neanderthal DNA.[46]

Early human migrations occurred at a stage of history (I should say prehistory) where society barely existed.Take Ancient Greece and compare it to Prehistory, you will find no similarities.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Proud of an arbitrary superficial characteristic that, in the larger scheme, barely differentiates you from other humans at all. But a shade of skin which, throughout history, has had quite the history of genocide, enslavement, and bloodthirsty imperialism.

On that note, I've never personally met a person yelling about "white pride" who wasn't a proud, open racist.

Which means gay pride,black pride etc. are also racist!

Incorrect.

It is racist. It is bad. Whites don't need a pride movement. We've run the world for quite a while now, and still mostly do. Blacks, LGBT, etc, need pride movements, to combat the current oppressive system.

[Laerod]

No.

Then.. By What Fucking logic is white pride racist.

Real logic. In order for an argument to be logical, it must be true. Equating white pride with black pride is not logical, as it fails to go beyond a semantic and utterly superficial treatment of either. For more details as to why they're different, read the thread.

[Julian Res Publica]

People should be proud of their heritage, but race is merely a biological thing and holds no large enough sentiment to be proud of. However, people can be happy for being white, and there is nothing wrong with it.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

...race is merely a biological thing...

No it isn't.

Still isn't.

Nope.

Still a no, bud.

You can probably guess you're getting another firm no.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Whites have been also put down according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_hum ... anderthals

a. Whites are not neanderthals. We are all homo sapiens. Is this an insult?

b. Whites are currently on top in the Western world. We've ravaged most of the planet in the past five hundred years. Some of us still kept people as slaves because their shade was darker no less than a century or so ago. Minorities still face widespread prejudice and bigotry pretty much everywhere.

Whites do not need white pride. We're already on top. We're already highly privileged in comparison to blacks, Hispanics, etc. We're already overrepresented. White pride is saying you want us to stay on top, to keep minorities under our heel. Black pride is saying "we're here, and we're gonna be equal to you one day whether you like it or not."

[Jacobania]

I see white pride the same way I see American pride, black pride, Irish pride, or any other type of these prides.

Pride is something you earn, not something you're born with. Being white, American, black, or Irish isn't a personal accomplishment and is, in all honesty, nothing to be proud of.

Hell, fat pride is better than white pride, as you actually have to accomplish something to be fat. It may not be much, but at least it's something.

I mean seriously, have you ever tried to get fat quick when you are really skinny and you don't eat hardly anything? IT HURTS!

Oh, wait... I'm getting off topic, aren't I?

[United States Kingdom]

Whites have been also put down according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_hum ... anderthals

a. Whites are not neanderthals. We are all homo sapiens. Is this an insult?

b. Whites are currently on top in the Western world. We've ravaged most of the planet in the past five hundred years. Some of us still kept people as slaves because their shade was darker no less than a century or so ago. Minorities still face widespread prejudice and bigotry pretty much everywhere.

Whites do not need white pride. We're already on top. We're already highly privileged in comparison to blacks, Hispanics, etc. We're already overrepresented. White pride is saying you want us to stay on top, to keep minorities under our heel. Black pride is saying "we're here, and we're gonna be equal to you one day whether you like it or not."

I am black and I don't really support black pride. Your definition of black pride was "we're here, and we're gonna be equal to you one day whether you like it or not." There are other ideas that are practically the same as this, an example being equality. I want to support all people being equal together.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I am black and I don't really support black pride.

Good for you? I don't think it's in you and your people's best interest, but whatever.

Your definition of black pride was "we're here, and we're gonna be equal to you one day whether you like it or not." There are other ideas that are practically the same as this, an example being equality.

...um? Yes? Exactly? That's why we need black pride? Equality?

I want to support all people being equal together.

So support black, LGBT, etc. pride then.

[Jamzmania]

Which means gay pride,black pride etc. are also racist!

Incorrect.

It is racist. It is bad. Whites don't need a pride movement. We've run the world for quite a while now, and still mostly do. Blacks, LGBT, etc, need pride movements, to combat the current oppressive system.

Oh, sorry, I forgot the White Race was a hive mind of identical, connected people who, together, controlled the world.

The most powerful man in the world right now is black. The most powerful person in the justice system is a black woman, and the holder of that position before her was a black man. A black man and three women currently sit on the Supreme Court. There is nothing stopping any social, political, or economic advancement of any determined individual because of his or her race or gender.

Also, if you'd kindly point me to the Almighty White Overlords of the countries of Africa and Asia, then I will concede that some white folk run most of the world.

[Nelson R Mandela]

Whites have been also put down according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_hum ... anderthals

Whites do not need white pride. We're already on top. We're already highly privileged in comparison to blacks, Hispanics, etc. We're already overrepresented. White pride is saying you want us to stay on top, to keep minorities under our heel. Black pride is saying "we're here, and we're gonna be equal to you one day whether you like it or not."

Top in what? Highly privileged by whom?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Incorrect.

Oh, sorry, I forgot the White Race was a hive mind of identical, connected people who, together, controlled the world.

The most powerful man in the world right now is black. The most powerful person in the justice system is a black woman, and the holder of that position before her was a black man. A black man and three women currently sit on the Supreme Court. There is nothing stopping any social, political, or economic advancement of any determined individual because of his or her race or gender.

And?

Also, if you'd kindly point me to the Almighty White Overlords of the countries of Africa and Asia, then I will concede that some white folk run most of the world.

#originalstrawman

[Hyfling]

Oh, sorry, I forgot the White Race was a hive mind of identical, connected people who, together, controlled the world.

The most powerful man in the world right now is black. The most powerful person in the justice system is a black woman, and the holder of that position before her was a black man. A black man and three women currently sit on the Supreme Court. There is nothing stopping any social, political, or economic advancement of any determined individual because of his or her race or gender.

And?

...and comments like 'whites run the world' are god damn stupid and removed from reality?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

And?

...and comments like 'whites run the world' are god damn stupid and removed from reality?

Not really. Most of the world's wealth is in the Western hemisphere, and the US and Europe are primarily white.

[Big Jim P]

White pride, as with any other "pride", inevitably leads to racism, as well as unity through hatred of others. Being white is an accident of birth. It has nothing to do with your abilities or your liberties. I am white, but I don't like myself because I'm white, nor do I hate myself for similar reasons.

Not inevitably, but likely. You can have pride in something without hating another. Still, being proud of an accident of birth is stupid. One should be proud of ones accomplishments.

[New Reutlingen]

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your genetic composition- being proud of you, yourself.

[Big Jim P]

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your genetic composition- being proud of you, yourself.

No one controls their genetic makeup. Silly to be proud of something you are not responsible for. An absolutely perfect (by whatever metric you use to define perfection) genetic specimen that accomplishes nothing is of limited value.

[Hyfling]

...and comments like 'whites run the world' are god damn stupid and removed from reality?

Not really. Most of the world's wealth is in the Western hemisphere, and the US and Europe are primarily white.

That's because most of the developed countries are in the Western hemisphere. China, a predominately Asian nation, alone has a larger population than the entirety of the Western Hemisphere. Fully developed to the standard of the USA, China'll be much, much wealthier simply because of the shear difference in population (4X larger than the US).

Also, a group of people generally being wealthier than another group doesn't translate into that group controlling the world. As Jam said, the white race is not a hivemind looking to give themselves more power, otherwise we're entering the good 'ol 'Zionists run teh banks/world' field of...ahem, 'reasoning'.

[Hyfling]

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your genetic composition- being proud of you, yourself.

No one controls their genetic makeup. Silly to be proud of something you are not responsible for. An absolutely perfect (by whatever metric you use to define perfection) genetic specimen that accomplishes nothing is of limited value.

I absolutely agree.

[The Cobalt Sky]

The most powerful man in the world right now is black.

And how does that prove that systemic racism is gone?

The most powerful person in the justice system is a black woman, and the holder of that position before her was a black man. A black man and three women currently sit on the Supreme Court.

Again, not really proof.

There is nothing stopping any social, political, or economic advancement of any determined individual because of his or her race or gender.

Systemic racism doesn't exist? Alright, let me show you why you're wrong.

I point to the criminal justice system, which a lot of people apparently don’t think has any racial problems.

“The survey, which was mostly conducted before the shooting of NYPD Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos in New York over the weekend, found similar results on perceptions of the justice system as a whole. While 41% of Americans say the criminal justice system treats blacks fairly, far more whites - 50% - see equity. Among non-whites, that figure drops to just 21%. Two-thirds of non-whites said that the criminal justice system favors whites over blacks.”
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/22/politics/ ... e-justice/

But it definitely seems to have problems.

“Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.”
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014241 ... 3789858002
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5850830/war ... minorities

“Approximately 12%-13% of the American population is African-American, but they make up 40% of the almost 2.1 million male inmates in jail or prison (U.S. Department of Justice, 2009).[1]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics ... ican_males

There are also many issues with racial profiling.

“For every 10,000 residents, about 3,400 more black people are stopped than whites, and 360 more Latinos are stopped than whites. Stopped blacks are 127% more likely to be frisked -- and stopped Latinos are 43% more likely to be frisked -- than stopped whites. Stopped blacks are 76% more likely to be searched, and stopped Latinos are 16% more likely to be searched than stopped whites.
Stopped blacks are 29% more likely to be arrested, and stopped Latinos are 32% more likely to be arrested than stopped whites.
Now consider this: Although stopped blacks were 127% more likely to be frisked than stopped whites, they were 42.3% less likely to be found with a weapon after they were frisked, 25% less likely to be found with drugs and 33% less likely to be found with other contraband. We found similar patterns for Latinos.
Not only did we find that African Americans and Latinos were subjected to more stops, frisks, searches and arrests than whites, we also found that these additional police actions aren't because of the fact that people of color live in higher-crime areas or because they more often carry drugs or weapons, or any other legitimate reason that we can discern from the rich set of data we examined.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23 ... oe-ayres23

And, with the advent of DNA technology, tons of people were exonerated. The vast majority of the wrongfully convicted were black.
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content ... onwide.php
A few other links to consider:
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... ed-states/
http://www.sentencingproject.org/templa ... cfm?id=122

Also, if you'd kindly point me to the Almighty White Overlords of the countries of Africa and Asia, then I will concede that some white folk run most of the world.

I don't think anyone holds the title of "Almighty White Overlord" there, or anywhere else in the world. But I don't think that's a very good way to base an argument that racism isn't a problem anymore.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

No. It's pretty much the equivalent of a blindfold.