White Pride: A good thing?

[Hyfling]

Basically my opinion, though this only really applies in the US where blacks were treated as second class citizens up until relatively recently. Hence, the legitimacy of black pride movements will degrade as time goes on.

Black people were collectively oppressed. Moving to Europe does not make that fact irrelevant.

Sorry, I probably should've said the West as a whole.

Though you must admit the racial issues in the 50s-60s in Europe were not as bad as those in the USA.

[Esternial]

Black people were collectively oppressed. Moving to Europe does not make that fact irrelevant.

Sorry, I probably should've said the West as a whole.

Though you must admit the racial issues in the 50s-60s in Europe were not as bad as those in the USA.

No idea. Haven't really done any research into the subject.

I think racial pride is more of a collective pride, pertaining to one's entire race and thus involving all its people. Their race survived incredibly adversary conditions in America and in other parts of the world and managed to survive.

[Lydenburg]

Black people were collectively oppressed. Moving to Europe does not make that fact irrelevant.

Sorry, I probably should've said the West as a whole.

Though you must admit the racial issues in the 50s-60s in Europe were not as bad as those in the USA.

That's a cop out.

Racial issues in the 50s-60s European colonial territories were far worse than those in the US.

[Hyfling]

Sorry, I probably should've said the West as a whole.

Though you must admit the racial issues in the 50s-60s in Europe were not as bad as those in the USA.

No idea. Haven't really done any research into the subject.

I think racial pride is more of a collective pride, pertaining to one's entire race and thus involving all its people. Their race survived incredibly adversary conditions in America and in other parts of the world and managed to survive.

That's true, it's indeed an interesting issue to think about.

That's a cop out.

Racial issues in the 50s-60s European colonial territories were far worse than those in the US.

That's a good point. Totally forgot the Europeans still had colonies then.

[Ifreann]

If anyone was trying to do this then that, and the rest of your post, and your several other posts saying the same thing, might have some relevance. Instead it just seems like you're trying desperately to draw parallels between black pride and white pride, and I'm having trouble seeing why.

Oh, I'm the desperate one? You're more hypocritical than Hippostania himself! You cherrypicked the absolute shit out of my post, literally ignoring every point I made all so you could condescendingly and snidely remark "you're desperately drawing parallels."

No, I ignored the rest of your post because it wasn't relevant. It's not relevant because no one is trying to excuse any crimes committed by anyone.

No, I demonstrated some of the issues with black pride,

No you didn't. And even if you did, so what? No one is claiming that black pride is all good, all the time, now with 100% less gluten.

and perhaps you should demonstrate some competence by addressing these points,

I think my competence is sufficiently demonstrated by my not bothering with your "But they do crimes too!" red herring.

as opposed to some fallacious strawman.

"fallacious strawman" is redundant.

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Just stop giving a shit about what color both your and other people's skin color is and you'll have a better life

It really doesn't matter

If people won't hire you because of your skin colour, you shouldn't care about that?

[Katyuscha]

Oh, I'm the desperate one? You're more hypocritical than Hippostania himself! You cherrypicked the absolute shit out of my post, literally ignoring every point I made all so you could condescendingly and snidely remark "you're desperately drawing parallels."

No, I ignored the rest of your post because it wasn't relevant. It's not relevant because no one is trying to excuse any crimes committed by anyone.

No, I demonstrated some of the issues with black pride,

No you didn't. And even if you did, so what? No one is claiming that black pride is all good, all the time, now with 100% less gluten.

and perhaps you should demonstrate some competence by addressing these points,

I think my competence is sufficiently demonstrated by my not bothering with your "But they do crimes too!" red herring.

as opposed to some fallacious strawman.

"fallacious strawman" is redundant.

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Just stop giving a shit about what color both your and other people's skin color is and you'll have a better life

It really doesn't matter

If people won't hire you because of your skin colour, you shouldn't care about that?

I don't see how that pertains to my statement

[Ifreann]

No, I ignored the rest of your post because it wasn't relevant. It's not relevant because no one is trying to excuse any crimes committed by anyone.


No you didn't. And even if you did, so what? No one is claiming that black pride is all good, all the time, now with 100% less gluten.

I think my competence is sufficiently demonstrated by my not bothering with your "But they do crimes too!" red herring.

"fallacious strawman" is redundant.

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If people won't hire you because of your skin colour, you shouldn't care about that?

I don't see how that pertains to my statement

You say people should stop giving a shit about their skin colour. But their skin colour will have an impact on their life. Because other people are still racist. So how is it a good idea to not give a shit about your own skin colour when loads of other people do care about your skin colour, and might well make your life worse because of it?

[Katyuscha]

I don't see how that pertains to my statement

You say people should stop giving a shit about their skin colour. But their skin colour will have an impact on their life. Because other people are still racist. So how is it a good idea to not give a shit about your own skin colour when loads of other people do care about your skin colour, and might well make your life worse because of it?

My point was that everyone stop caring about it. Not just a select few. If every single person on earth no longer saw skin color as a factor in their decision making, then the world would be significantly better. Of course, this is virtually impossible in the world we live in and is simply my own pipe dream and personal opinion.

I'm simply stating that people's lives would be better if they stopped caring about race. Do you disagree?

[Ifreann]

You say people should stop giving a shit about their skin colour. But their skin colour will have an impact on their life. Because other people are still racist. So how is it a good idea to not give a shit about your own skin colour when loads of other people do care about your skin colour, and might well make your life worse because of it?

My point was that everyone stop caring about it. Not just a select few. If every single person on earth no longer saw skin color as a factor in their decision making, then the world would be significantly better. Of course, this is virtually impossible in the world we live in and is simply my own pipe dream and personal opinion.

You might have said that.

I'm simply stating that people's lives would be better if they stopped caring about race. Do you disagree?

Yes. Magically vanishing racism tomorrow wouldn't undo the effects centuries of racism have had on our society. People who got a job because of their skin colour won't be fired, and people who didn't get those jobs because of their skin colour won't be hired. People who are uneducated because of their skin colour won't have learning appear in their heads. People who were given excessive jail sentences because of their skin colour won't be released. It'd be like starting the game with one team having twice as many players, then balancing the sides at half time but not balancing the scores.

[United States Kingdom]

Sorry, I probably should've said the West as a whole.

Though you must admit the racial issues in the 50s-60s in Europe were not as bad as those in the USA.

That's a cop out.

Racial issues in the 50s-60s European colonial territories were far worse than those in the US.

That is very true.

[Sam Hyde]

Black people were collectively oppressed. Moving to Europe does not make that fact irrelevant.

Sorry, I probably should've said the West as a whole.

Though you must admit the racial issues in the 50s-60s in Europe were not as bad as those in the USA.

Because in the 50s and 60s Europe hardly any black people at all.

Now they have exploding Muslim populations, racial issues are flaring up.

[Sino nations]

Basically my opinion, though this only really applies in the US where blacks were treated as second class citizens up until relatively recently. Hence, the legitimacy of black pride movements will degrade as time goes on.

Black people were collectively oppressed. Moving to Europe does not make that fact irrelevant.

White people were oppresed when Homo spaiens moved to europe.They were black and neanderthals were white.homo sapiens took over europe and destoryed neaderthals.so "black people being oppresed" is actually revenge.

[Cinnabarra]

Black Pride, Women Pride and Gay Pride exist because at some point in western history, all those groups were opressed and were morally brought down by their opressor.They were told their gender, opinions or skin color was wrong, that they were mere trash.As a response, those groups displayed the pride they had in being part of a discriminated or opressed class, in a way to show the opressor that they weren't being brought down.

At no point in western history were whites opressed- Culturally speaking they don't have any pride movements, or at least no pride movements similar to the minority pride movements.

[Laerod]

Sorry, I probably should've said the West as a whole.

Though you must admit the racial issues in the 50s-60s in Europe were not as bad as those in the USA.

Because in the 50s and 60s Europe hardly any black people at all.

Now they have exploding Muslim populations, racial issues are flaring up.

You're not familiar with 50s and 60s Europe at all, are you? That's pretty much when there was a large influx of muslims, particularly in Germany.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

White Pride Is Just Being Proud Of Being White.

Proud of an arbitrary superficial characteristic that, in the larger scheme, barely differentiates you from other humans at all. But a shade of skin which, throughout history, has had quite the history of genocide, enslavement, and bloodthirsty imperialism.

On that note, I've never personally met a person yelling about "white pride" who wasn't a proud, open racist.

[Cinnabarra]

Because in the 50s and 60s Europe hardly any black people at all.

Now they have exploding Muslim populations, racial issues are flaring up.

You're not familiar with 50s and 60s Europe at all, are you? That's pretty much when there was a large influx of muslims, particularly in Germany.

Yup.In France, thousands of Moroccan and Algerian citizens came, either because they were harkis (They fought for France during the decolonization wars) and France granted them citizenship, or because there were a lot of jobs to fill (The 1950s-1960s in France saw an economic boom).If anything, when racism ocurred later in the 70s and 80s, the counter-influence of the left over racism was much stronger, and there wasn't really any widespread racist culture or state opression when the Muslims came.

I think it's more rooted in the USA due to slavery and a long African-American presence.Race relations were better in Europe, yes.

[Kalosia]

I find it okay to be proud of being white, but other races who have pride usually do so because normally they're oppressed (and are often viewed by society as lower compared to everyone else). It's more of a "Hey, my identity is a good thing too!" rather than "Hey, I'm better than y'all!". Same goes for LGBT pride.
On the other hand, white pride can bring connotations of supporting oppression of people of other races (esp in the US with a history of racial segregation, and South Africa with a history of apartheid).

Because in the 50s and 60s Europe hardly any black people at all.

The 1350s and 1360s, maybe.

But there are records of black people living in Europe since the 15th century, which mean black people have been living in Europe before white people even knew about America.

[Sino nations]

White Pride Is Just Being Proud Of Being White.

Proud of an arbitrary superficial characteristic that, in the larger scheme, barely differentiates you from other humans at all. But a shade of skin which, throughout history, has had quite the history of genocide, enslavement, and bloodthirsty imperialism.

On that note, I've never personally met a person yelling about "white pride" who wasn't a proud, open racist.

Which means gay pride,black pride etc. are also racist!

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Proud of an arbitrary superficial characteristic that, in the larger scheme, barely differentiates you from other humans at all. But a shade of skin which, throughout history, has had quite the history of genocide, enslavement, and bloodthirsty imperialism.

On that note, I've never personally met a person yelling about "white pride" who wasn't a proud, open racist.

Which means gay pride,black pride etc. are also racist!

No.

[Sino nations]

Which means gay pride,black pride etc. are also racist!

No.

Then.. By What Fucking logic is white pride racist.

[Cinnabarra]

No.

Then.. By What Fucking logic is white pride racist.

It isn't racist, but it has a racist connotation because the KKK used it a lot.

LGBTQ+ Pride and Black Pride aren't racist because those groups have historically been put down.So, for them to say that they're proud of their ethnicity/sexual orientation was meant to show their oppressor that racism and homophobia didn't affect them.

[The Cobalt Sky]

No.

Then.. By What Fucking logic is white pride racist.

Very strong connections with white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations. If you're still in denial, it's worth noting that the slogan also appears on Stormfront's logo.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ntlogo.png
Black Pride, however, is older and has its roots in the American civil rights movement, and was aimed at dealing with discrimination. A systemic discrimination which European Americans never faced. The two movements aren't analogous, as some white supremacists would want you to believe.

[Meryuma]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The Egyptians are and were White.

God that's stupid. Egypt was a cosmopolitan empire with people of many different ethnicities, but first and foremost it was African.

Bronies are among many different degenerates who are contributing to the downfall of western civilization. In particular, by promoting infantile behavior and normalizing mental illness. That's the irony.

I wanna normalize the shit out of mental illness. When mental illness is seen as something scary and evil and not to be discussed in polite company, people like me end up electrocuted and shot.

It is bad because white people aren't just themselves in the world. There are also Asian people and black people.

So NO TO WHITE SUPREMACY!!!

You can be proud of your race without believing that it is supreme. I am proud of my family history, and I also recognize that there are other families with their own history which are all also important. I am proud of my race and my people, and I see no reason why I should be ashamed of them just because to be otherwise would "offend" someone.

Your family is not your race. When people talk about "white pride", that doesn't mean specific ethnicities. No one has a problem with being proud of your Swedish ancestry or your English ancestry or whatever.

[Avalon]

Being proud of something you didn't even choose?

Also as far as I'm concerned, there's only one race, the human race and I don't even think we should be proud of being human either. If anything you can be proud of your culture or the society you live in, and only if you really take part in it.

Create something, build something, share something, help someone... Those are the things you should be proud of, not looks or superficial traits.

[Sino nations]

Then.. By What Fucking logic is white pride racist.

It isn't racist, but it has a racist connotation because the KKK used it a lot.

LGBTQ+ Pride and Black Pride aren't racist because those groups have historically been put down.So, for them to say that they're proud of their ethnicity/sexual orientation was meant to show their oppressor that racism and homophobia didn't affect them.

Whites have been also put down according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_hum ... anderthals