White Pride: A good thing?

[Kelinfort]

There's several posts in this thread explaining how things like black pride or gay pride aren't the same as white pride.

Oh, black pride is not the same as white pride, you're entirely correct.

However, that doesn't excuse all the crimes committed in the name of black pride, nor does the difference between black and white pride make black pride inherently better. Racial pride encourages a slew of horrific things. This is even true in black pride. Numerous Black Panthers, those tied with Malcom X, and whatnot have literally advocated for the death of whites. Furthermore, South African Afrikaner farmers are being murdered left and right in something considered to be a genocide by some international observers. These Afrikaners are killed in the name of racial pride. The same can be said for Zimbabwe, where black pride was the justification for the deportation and oppression of the few whites remaining in Zimbabwe.

White pride, too, as you know, has also caused some horrific and abhorrent things to transpire. But, then again, so has black pride. It really goes to show that racial pride of any kind inevitably leads to an inflated sense of supremacism and envy which can go awry.

To Malcolm's credit, after his pilgrimage he was a changed man:

[L]istening to leaders like Nasser, Ben Bella, and Nkrumah awakened me to the dangers of racism. I realized racism isn't just a black and white problem. It's brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.
Brother, remember the time that white college girl came into the restaurant—​the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together—​and I told her there wasn't a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I've lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I'm sorry for now. I was a zombie then—​like all [Black] Muslims—​I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man's entitled to make a fool of himself if he's ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.
That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days—​I'm glad to be free of them.
--Parks, Gordon, "Malcolm X: The Minutes of Our Last Meeting", Clarke, p. 122

[United States Kingdom]

as a White Rhodesian born and raised in the united states I see no problem with benevolent white pride in fact as far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with being proud of who you are it just when you start attacking people of a different race simply because of their skin that such can be taken offense at on the other hand Europeans have given the world all that we hold dear yet the leftist media with all its communist propaganda likes to demonize whites just because one lunatic decided to go nuts on a house of worship which was predominately African American by origin.

in Africa we brought Christianity, Commerce, Civilization to dark continent colonies such as Kenya,Uganda,Rhodesia,South Africa all became centers of peace and prosperity because of the white man's hard work that allowed a whole people to improve life as time progressed during the two great world wars Blacks and White joined hands to defeat the evils of Fascism in defense of the Empire unfortunately we were never reward and therefore our contributions were very much overlooked so in 1965 we threw in the towel and did what our Kith and Kin failed to do and that was to fight Communism and Black Nationalists like Mugabe and his PF scum.


I am proud of who I am for no one except God almighty can take that away from me because I am proud to be a Rhodesian of British American origin.

God Save Rhodesia!!!!

The British also committed war crimes in various countries, including Kenya.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_war_crimes#Kenya

Just also wanted to state that a lot of the infrastructure the British built was designed for extraction of resources.

To put it simply, us Africans have done terible things, but the British did the same, and various Africans I have met state that being under colonial rule wasn't good for them.

[Kelinfort]

So New Hellenica is Svalana, and Bulgaria-Greece? They have rather a monomaniacal obsession with skin colour.

Reminds me of Uncle Ruckus, if any of you are familiar.

No relation.

[Xanama]

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[Ifreann]

There's several posts in this thread explaining how things like black pride or gay pride aren't the same as white pride.

Oh, black pride is not the same as white pride, you're entirely correct.

However, that doesn't excuse all the crimes committed in the name of black pride...

If anyone was trying to do this then that, and the rest of your post, and your several other posts saying the same thing, might have some relevance. Instead it just seems like you're trying desperately to draw parallels between black pride and white pride, and I'm having trouble seeing why.

[Krumbia]

I'm not proud of my skin colour, as that's just an illogical thing to be. I'm proud of my ancestry, I've got some pretty neat ancestors. But I don't believe any skin colour takes precedence over another, as, if you'll excuse me, people ought to be judged on the content of their character, as a great man once said.

[Nelson R Mandela]

I think it's best to look past your own skin color and look at your skills and what you can do with them to benefit yourself as well as people around you. Even if you feel you should be proud of your race as long as you live in modern society you'd be viewed as a supremacist or even racist. So no, I don't think any racial pride is a good thing.

[Laerod]

I think it's best to look past your own skin color and look at your skills and what you can do with them to benefit yourself as well as people around you. Even if you feel you should be proud of your race as long as you live in modern society you'd be viewed as a supremacist or even racist. So no, I don't think any racial pride is a good thing.

On the other hand...

[Nelson R Mandela]

I think it's best to look past your own skin color and look at your skills and what you can do with them to benefit yourself as well as people around you. Even if you feel you should be proud of your race as long as you live in modern society you'd be viewed as a supremacist or even racist. So no, I don't think any racial pride is a good thing.

On the other hand...

Yeah, it's very ironic, but still! He too spoke and emphasized on focusing on character rather than skin.

[Laerod]

On the other hand...

Yeah, it's very ironic, but still! He too spoke and emphasized on focusing on character rather than skin.

You'd expect someone with the account name "Nelson R Mandela" to be more familiar with the Civil Rights Movement.

[Sun Wukong]

Pride movements are only really justifiable in the face of others trying to make you feel ashamed. If you feel that's what is going on, then by all means have one.

You won't be able to stop the Klan types from showing up at your events, however. And they're always going to talk the loudest, so everyone's going to think you're an asshole.

[Nelson R Mandela]

Yeah, it's very ironic, but still! He too spoke and emphasized on focusing on character rather than skin.

You'd expect someone with the account name "Nelson R Mandela" to be more familiar with the Civil Rights Movement.

Well I know a lot about it but I'm not an expert on it.

[Lydenburg]

I can see having some sort of pride correlating to one's identification with a nation-state or a particular ethnic group - but identifying with others based on their skin factor alone is ridiculous.

As for pride in colour...I never understood that, either. Why should I be proud in something I can change just by standing a few hours in the sun? Or say, living indoors the rest of my life?

[Lydenburg]

as a White Rhodesian born and raised in the united states I see no problem with benevolent white pride in fact as far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with being proud of who you are it just when you start attacking people of a different race simply because of their skin that such can be taken offense at on the other hand Europeans have given the world all that we hold dear yet the leftist media with all its communist propaganda likes to demonize whites just because one lunatic decided to go nuts on a house of worship which was predominately African American by origin.

in Africa we brought Christianity, Commerce, Civilization to dark continent colonies such as Kenya,Uganda,Rhodesia,South Africa all became centers of peace and prosperity because of the white man's hard work that allowed a whole people to improve life as time progressed during the two great world wars Blacks and White joined hands to defeat the evils of Fascism in defense of the Empire unfortunately we were never reward and therefore our contributions were very much overlooked so in 1965 we threw in the towel and did what our Kith and Kin failed to do and that was to fight Communism and Black Nationalists like Mugabe and his PF scum.


I am proud of who I am for no one except God almighty can take that away from me because I am proud to be a Rhodesian of British American origin.

God Save Rhodesia!!!!

How the hell are you a Rhodesian if you were born in the US...probably never seen Zim in your life...and call yourself of British/American origin?

I'm not connecting the dots here.

[Greater Istanistan]

Rhodesians in the American are revanchist WNs that somehow believe they can get Rhodesia back. Dylan Roof, for example, was a fan.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/why-wh ... 0b37f3131f

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

as a White Rhodesian born and raised in the united states I see no problem with benevolent white pride in fact as far as I am concerned there is nothing wrong with being proud of who you are it just when you start attacking people of a different race simply because of their skin that such can be taken offense at on the other hand Europeans have given the world all that we hold dear yet the leftist media with all its communist propaganda likes to demonize whites just because one lunatic decided to go nuts on a house of worship which was predominately African American by origin.

in Africa we brought Christianity, Commerce, Civilization to dark continent colonies such as Kenya,Uganda,Rhodesia,South Africa all became centers of peace and prosperity because of the white man's hard work that allowed a whole people to improve life as time progressed during the two great world wars Blacks and White joined hands to defeat the evils of Fascism in defense of the Empire unfortunately we were never reward and therefore our contributions were very much overlooked so in 1965 we threw in the towel and did what our Kith and Kin failed to do and that was to fight Communism and Black Nationalists like Mugabe and his PF scum.


I am proud of who I am for no one except God almighty can take that away from me because I am proud to be a Rhodesian of British American origin.

God Save Rhodesia!!!!

How the hell are you a Rhodesian if you were born in the US...probably never seen Zim in your life...and call yourself of British/American origin?

I'm not connecting the dots here.

Trans-ethnic at its works

[The Ridings of Yorkshire]

How the hell are you a Rhodesian if you were born in the US...probably never seen Zim in your life...and call yourself of British/American origin?

I'm not connecting the dots here.

Trans-ethnic at its works

I really do not understand "trans/racial/ethnic people" existing, do they get given "ethnic/racial reassignment surgeries" and fake tans, and gene therapy to completely alter their DNA?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Oh, black pride is not the same as white pride, you're entirely correct.

However, that doesn't excuse all the crimes committed in the name of black pride...

If anyone was trying to do this then that, and the rest of your post, and your several other posts saying the same thing, might have some relevance. Instead it just seems like you're trying desperately to draw parallels between black pride and white pride, and I'm having trouble seeing why.

Oh, I'm the desperate one? You're more hypocritical than Hippostania himself! You cherrypicked the absolute shit out of my post, literally ignoring every point I made all so you could condescendingly and snidely remark "you're desperately drawing parallels."

No, I demonstrated some of the issues with black pride, and perhaps you should demonstrate some competence by addressing these points, as opposed to some fallacious strawman.

[Katyuscha]

Just stop giving a shit about what color both your and other people's skin color is and you'll have a better life

It really doesn't matter

[Zakuvia]

My melatonin is deficient! Yay!

Sorry, 'white pride' is just another form of ethnic nationalism that I can't abide. Nor can I abide any other form of melatonin-based 'pride' events.

Rational people don't give a damn about these idiotic marches and events, except to observe carefully those who do.

[Lydenburg]

Rhodesians in the American are revanchist WNs that somehow believe they can get Rhodesia back. Dylan Roof, for example, was a fan.

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/why-wh ... 0b37f3131f

I've noticed that in the span of the past ten years or so, there's been a renewed interest in Rhodesia by white supremacists eerily like Roof who are probably too young to remember how it existed prior to 1980. They sit in front of their keyboards all day posting on social media and internet forums like this one about how great Rhodesia was, about how it needs to be brought back, etc. The worst are the Walter Mitty types who insist that the Zim government is weak enough that they could go in there, guns blazing, overthrow Mugabe and turn it "back" into a whites only, Aryan colony.

Seems like there's some sort of a nostalgia, probably introduced by the Rhodesian diaspora, which has now infected these fanatic types to the point that they're convinced Rhodesia was some sort of idyllic utopia for white people in Southern Africa. They tend to be American, too (I suppose that's because those Yanks interested in the topic are generally less informed of Zim's problems and history than say, their counterparts from the UK).

Makes me just want to stick them on the next plane for Harare. They can go with all the Malema clones who think Mugabe has turned it into some sort of bloody socialist worker's paradise. What, you the big man? Think you understand all of Africa's problems hey? Let's see how long you last, arrogantly spouting that rubbish down there.

I suspect their starry-eyed fantasies would dry up once they hit the streets. Assuming they don't take off running when you hand them their plane tickets.

[Vassenor]

(I suppose that's because those Yanks interested in the topic are generally less informed of Zim's problems and history than say, their counterparts from the UK)

Which is ironic when you consider that the BBC was banned from operating in Zimbabwe for quite a few years.

[Esternial]

After so reflection, I feel that white pride isn't necessarily bad, but white supremacy is. So is any kind of racial supremacy. Considering your own race to be superior to another, essentially.

Being proud of being white...there's not as much reason to be, compared to other races. But as long as one does not turn to racial supremacy being proud of your race is okey, I guess.

[Hyfling]

After so reflection, I feel that white pride isn't necessarily bad, but white supremacy is. So is any kind of racial supremacy. Considering your own race to be superior to another, essentially.

Being proud of being white...there's not as much reason to be, compared to other races. But as long as one does not turn to racial supremacy being proud of your race is okey, I guess.

Basically my opinion, though this only really applies in the US where blacks were treated as second class citizens up until relatively recently. Hence, the legitimacy of black pride movements will degrade as time goes on.

[Esternial]

After so reflection, I feel that white pride isn't necessarily bad, but white supremacy is. So is any kind of racial supremacy. Considering your own race to be superior to another, essentially.

Being proud of being white...there's not as much reason to be, compared to other races. But as long as one does not turn to racial supremacy being proud of your race is okey, I guess.

Basically my opinion, though this only really applies in the US where blacks were treated as second class citizens up until relatively recently. Hence, the legitimacy of black pride movements will degrade as time goes on.

Black people were collectively oppressed. Moving to Europe does not make that fact irrelevant.