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White Pride: Good or Bad

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Prussia-Steinbach
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:31 pm

Mushrenia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:It's immoral to genocide, enslave, imprison, and oppress most of the world because they are different from you, then leave them to the total societal and political shitstorm you've created.


In that case, you should find some Mongolians and tell them to self-flagellate and tear down their monuments to their ethnic heritage as well as the whites, for their Empires was just as guilty of every statement above in their conquests.

Do not think whites are somehow special in that department.

Source for Mongolian ethnic heritage monuments.

Source for me advocating the tearing down of white heritage monuments.

Source for Mongolians and whites being comparably powerful in today's world.
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Postby Periodspace » Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:34 pm

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Egoman wrote:You'd probably do it anyway seeing that you prefer to believe in a "white pride is bad, other pride is not bad"-double standard.

So long as you don't provide evidence to further your cause, you're not in a position to complain.
Periodspace wrote:Extremists tend to be more vocal than more moderate people.

When we're talking about a hate group like White Pride, you will need to provide more than a hypothesis to back that up.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/majopinion.htm

I have recently changed some political opinions, so my "pro and against" thing is still in the works.

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Postby Mushrenia » Thu Jul 09, 2015 10:49 pm

I've spent way too long replying to loaded semantic bait
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Mushrenia wrote:
In that case, you should find some Mongolians and tell them to self-flagellate and tear down their monuments to their ethnic heritage as well as the whites, for their Empires was just as guilty of every statement above in their conquests.

Do not think whites are somehow special in that department.

Source for Mongolian ethnic heritage monuments.

Source for me advocating the tearing down of white heritage monuments.

Source for Mongolians and whites being comparably powerful in today's world.


Sauce 1: Any Mongolian monument glorifying the Borjigin (Genghis Khan's) Dynasty

Jumped the gun on number two, I thought I saw a post attributed to you advocating taking down Confederate leader statues but a search of your posting history shows I was mistaken in that regard, apologies.

As for the third, both groups have largely abandoned the accused practices (In fact, the Russians were responsible for the abolition of slavery in many areas of the former Mongol Empire) and thus are both on near identical moral standing as a group. Since the concept of ethnic guilt is based off of historical offenses, I do not subscribe to the idea that current state of affairs makes any group more valid for forced guilt than another. Therefore, I do not see why one group can be allowed to commend themselves for being born in their group and the other must be forced to chastise themselves for being born in another.

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Postby Laerod » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:00 am

Periodspace wrote:
Laerod wrote:So long as you don't provide evidence to further your cause, you're not in a position to complain.

When we're talking about a hate group like White Pride, you will need to provide more than a hypothesis to back that up.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/majopinion.htm

I'm not disputing this, I'm disputing the existence of a moderate majority in a hate group such as the White Pride movement.

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Postby FutureAmerica » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:03 am

First of all, 'white' is not a scientific category. According to science, you belong to a haplogroup. based on dna, there isn't even such a thing as race. Humans belong to different haplogroups based on their migration history out of Africa. We are all the same species with very little genetic variation. Geography has made us look different based on adaptation to the environment.

Now if you're talking about 'white' culture in the US, that is a different thing. Culture is what really separates us.

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Postby Periodspace » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:08 am

Laerod wrote:

I'm not disputing this, I'm disputing the existence of a moderate majority in a hate group such as the White Pride movement.

To be honest, I don't know for sure if there is a white pride moderate majority, I just assumed there was because "white pride" does not seem to inherently imply Nazism and/or racism, and I knew extremists were more vocal than moderates.

I have recently changed some political opinions, so my "pro and against" thing is still in the works.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:10 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Source for Mongolian ethnic heritage monuments.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:26 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Source for Mongolian ethnic heritage monuments.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:32 am

Ifreann wrote:That is a big horse.

The biggest.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:35 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Ifreann wrote:That is a big horse.

The biggest.


And the shiniest.
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Postby Laerod » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:07 am

Periodspace wrote:
Laerod wrote:I'm not disputing this, I'm disputing the existence of a moderate majority in a hate group such as the White Pride movement.

To be honest, I don't know for sure if there is a white pride moderate majority, I just assumed there was because "white pride" does not seem to inherently imply Nazism and/or racism, and I knew extremists were more vocal than moderates.

So basically you've been spouting racist propaganda solely out of sheer ignorance?

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Postby Mysterious Stranger 2 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:27 am

The only reason "black pride" is a good thing is because it's a reaction against white supremacism. What's "white pride" a reaction against? The civil rights movement?
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Postby Periodspace » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:38 am

Laerod wrote:
Periodspace wrote:To be honest, I don't know for sure if there is a white pride moderate majority, I just assumed there was because "white pride" does not seem to inherently imply Nazism and/or racism, and I knew extremists were more vocal than moderates.

So basically you've been spouting racist propaganda solely out of sheer ignorance?

What "racist propaganda" have I spouted?

I have recently changed some political opinions, so my "pro and against" thing is still in the works.

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Postby Wilmersland » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:42 am

I think that it's ridicioulous that people have pride in the color of their skin.
But if humanity likes it. BROWN EYE PRIDE!
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Postby Laerod » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:43 am

Periodspace wrote:
Laerod wrote:So basically you've been spouting racist propaganda solely out of sheer ignorance?

What "racist propaganda" have I spouted?

That White Pride is a normal and innocent thing rather than a hate group that it is. It's how the racists that identify themselves with circle crosses argue.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:43 am

Wilmersland wrote:I think that it's ridicioulous that people have pride in the color of their skin.
But if humanity likes it. BROWN EYE PRIDE!


Considering what "brown eye" is a slang term for, I'm not sure what there is to be proud of.

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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:45 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Wilmersland wrote:I think that it's ridicioulous that people have pride in the color of their skin.
But if humanity likes it. BROWN EYE PRIDE!


Considering what "brown eye" is a slang term for, I'm not sure what there is to be proud of.

….What is it slang for? :unsure:

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Postby New Hellenica » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:45 am

Mysterious Stranger 2 wrote:The only reason "black pride" is a good thing is because it's a reaction against white supremacism. What's "white pride" a reaction against? The civil rights movement?

Er, no.

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Postby Periodspace » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:46 am

Laerod wrote:
Periodspace wrote:What "racist propaganda" have I spouted?

That White Pride is a normal and innocent thing rather than a hate group that it is. It's how the racists that identify themselves with circle crosses argue.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. Don't accuse me of being a "racist that identifies with circle crosses." That's not what I am.

I have recently changed some political opinions, so my "pro and against" thing is still in the works.

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Postby Mysterious Stranger 2 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:46 am

New Hellenica wrote:
Mysterious Stranger 2 wrote:The only reason "black pride" is a good thing is because it's a reaction against white supremacism. What's "white pride" a reaction against? The civil rights movement?

Er, no.

Then what?

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:48 am

Merizoc wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Considering what "brown eye" is a slang term for, I'm not sure what there is to be proud of.

….What is it slang for? :unsure:


Mooning someone and pulling one's cheeks apart so as to expose one's "brown eye".

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Postby Laerod » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:50 am

New Hellenica wrote:
Mysterious Stranger 2 wrote:The only reason "black pride" is a good thing is because it's a reaction against white supremacism. What's "white pride" a reaction against? The civil rights movement?

Er, no.

Yes, actually.

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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:51 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Merizoc wrote:….What is it slang for? :unsure:


Mooning someone and pulling one's cheeks apart so as to expose one's "brown eye".

…..

Forget I asked.

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Postby Wilmersland » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:55 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Merizoc wrote:….What is it slang for? :unsure:


Mooning someone and pulling one's cheeks apart so as to expose one's "brown eye".

This is disgusting but I'm still proud of my brown eyes!

I guess I shouldn't have googled that slang :(
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Jul 10, 2015 11:56 am

Wilmersland wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Mooning someone and pulling one's cheeks apart so as to expose one's "brown eye".

This is disgusting but I'm still proud of my brown eyes!

I guess I shouldn't have googled that slang :(


Or you should have before posting it. That's fine, though.

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