White Pride: A good thing?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You're asking me to list every racist white pride group.

I'm asking you to list ONE that isn't.

Which request is more reasonable?

The American Nazi Party.

You're stating that the American Nazi Party is not racist?

[Egoman]

Since there's that narrative going strong, how about you prove me that your generalization is true?

You're asking me to list every racist white pride group.

I'm asking you to list ONE that isn't.

Which request is more reasonable?

The one that doesn't involve entertaining some PC douchebag's illogic.

[New Carloso]

Exactly why Black Pride isn't a hate group while White Pride is.

If this isn't sarcasm, then you may have very well just embodied logical fallacies.

Indeed.

Nationalist or extremist groups like the Black Panthers and New Blacks Panthers pay testament to the fact that Black pride is not hate-free.

[Ensydia]

The American Nazi Party.

You're stating that the American Nazi Party is not racist?

Go to americannaziparty.com and actually read their faq. It's not that the ANP is racist, it's that white people are becoming a minority. It's not wrong to want one's race to be strong and healthy. The ANP wants that for ALL races.

[Kalmarium]

Well then should non-whites exercise pride in their races if whites can't? Not to imply I support white pride (or any thereof) but I don't really see anything positive over such things.

Haven't read the thread, eh?

In America, non-white racial pride groups have almost always been a reaction to white dominance and the marginalization of the group that is now showing pride. However, white pride groups have, to my knowledge, always been about continuing white dominance at the expense of these groups.

Well I'm certainly not denying that. I'm just on the mind that if some can't, all can't

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You're asking me to list every racist white pride group.

I'm asking you to list ONE that isn't.

Which request is more reasonable?

The one that doesn't involve entertaining some PC douchebag's illogic.

Ah, we've resorted to insults now. I can only assume that this means that you haven't been able to find one.

[Laerod]

Well then should non-whites exercise pride in their races if whites can't? Not to imply I support white pride (or any thereof) but I don't really see anything positive over such things.

In the US, Blacks have received centuries of rhetoric claiming they were inferior, that God had created them to serve Whites, and on and on. Black Pride is a positive movement to push back against that, to let everyone know that it's bullshit. That's what's positive.

Whites, on the other hand, never had to deal with that, and certainly not in the US. As such it comes as no surprise that White Pride was a reaction to Blacks seeking to be treated equally, and is pretty much exclusively parroted by the most racist elements of society.

There's historical context that's very different between pride movements.

Exactly why Black Pride isn't a hate group while White Pride is.

If this isn't sarcasm, then you may have very well just embodied logical fallacies.

Nah. Hate not being inherent to pride is fairly well documented: It's only really White Pride that manages to buck the trend.

[Ifreann]

The one that doesn't involve entertaining some PC douchebag's illogic.

Ah, we've resorted to insults now. I can only assume that this means that you haven't been able to find one.

It's hard to find things that don't exist. Except in North Korea.

[Laerod]

You're asking me to list every racist white pride group.

I'm asking you to list ONE that isn't.

Which request is more reasonable?

The one that doesn't involve entertaining some PC douchebag's illogic.

That's not a nice thing to say about me or Yummers! D=

[Laerod]

If this isn't sarcasm, then you may have very well just embodied logical fallacies.

Indeed.

Nationalist or extremist groups like the Black Panthers and New Blacks Panthers pay testament to the fact that Black pride is not hate-free.

Goalposts successfully translocated BD

[Egoman]

The one that doesn't involve entertaining some PC douchebag's illogic.

Ah, we've resorted to insults now. I can only assume that this means that you haven't been able to find one.

Doesn't matter, since someone already did it.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Well then should non-whites exercise pride in their races if whites can't? Not to imply I support white pride (or any thereof) but I don't really see anything positive over such things.

In the US, Blacks have received centuries of rhetoric claiming they were inferior, that God had created them to serve Whites, and on and on. Black Pride is a positive movement to push back against that, to let everyone know that it's bullshit. That's what's positive.

Whites, on the other hand, never had to deal with that, and certainly not in the US. As such it comes as no surprise that White Pride was a reaction to Blacks seeking to be treated equally, and is pretty much exclusively parroted by the most racist elements of society.

There's historical context that's very different between pride movements.

If this isn't sarcasm, then you may have very well just embodied logical fallacies.

Nah. Hate not being inherent to pride is fairly well documented: It's only really White Pride that manages to buck the trend.

Right, except you ignored previously the crimes committed in the names of Black Pride, and the explicitly racist rhetoric.

Do the Black Panthers ring a bell? This is one of many examples, but their track record is far from clean. The New Black Panthers, which claims to stand for the new tide of black pride, wants to kill white people.

In South Africa, black pride has led to the racially motivated murders of thousands.

In theory, pride in race doesn't lead to violence. But, in reality, it has, and unless you're so intent on being as edgy as humanly possible, I'd condemn pride movements that condone violence.

[Egoman]

The one that doesn't involve entertaining some PC douchebag's illogic.

That's not a nice thing to say about me or Yummers! D=

Don't be too sure of yourself, because it wasn't aimed at you or anyone in particular. Anyone parroting the narrative you did is a target for that. Not everything is about you, you know.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

That's not a nice thing to say about me or Yummers! D=

Don't be too sure of yourself, because it wasn't aimed at you or anyone in particular. Anyone parroting the narrative you did is a target for that. Not everything is about you, you know.

And, Laerod, that's coming from an egoist.

[Laerod]

In the US, Blacks have received centuries of rhetoric claiming they were inferior, that God had created them to serve Whites, and on and on. Black Pride is a positive movement to push back against that, to let everyone know that it's bullshit. That's what's positive.

Whites, on the other hand, never had to deal with that, and certainly not in the US. As such it comes as no surprise that White Pride was a reaction to Blacks seeking to be treated equally, and is pretty much exclusively parroted by the most racist elements of society.

There's historical context that's very different between pride movements.

Nah. Hate not being inherent to pride is fairly well documented: It's only really White Pride that manages to buck the trend.

Right, except you ignored previously the crimes committed in the names of Black Pride, and the explicitly racist rhetoric.

An easily disproven lie:

He raises one valid point, though.

Many people here condone and even support black pride, or black power for that matter, since the two are nearly synonymous. Not only is this hypocritical and inconsistent, but I need I remind you of all the hate crimes and violence promoted in the name of racial pride, black pride in particular?

Remember these assholes?
How about this?

By supporting black pride, you're basically supporting these assholes.

No he doesn't and neither do you. Black Pride is a reaction and counter movement to centuries of rhetoric claiming Blacks were divinely ordained to be inferior to Whites. No such stigma that's been perpetuated or directed against Whites exists at a comparable scale. That certain extremists take it too far is no repudiation of the need for or the movement itself.

You just didn't like the answer.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You're stating that the American Nazi Party is not racist?

Go to americannaziparty.com and actually read their faq. It's not that the ANP is racist, it's that white people are becoming a minority. It's not wrong to want one's race to be strong and healthy. The ANP wants that for ALL races.

I actually used George Lincoln Rockwell as a major character in an alternate history that I wrote once. I'm familiar with their beliefs. Let's take a look at some of the words of their founder:

"We must have a foreign policy which is based only on the long-term interests of our race, not on the interest of other races or on economic considerations or anything else."

"So far, ladies and gentlemen, look at the leaders we've had. We've had some very great ones. I would have gladly given my life following Douglas MacArthur. And I offered to fight and do anything for Joe McCarthy. And yet not one of these men ever once had the nerve to stand up and say, 'I am a White man, and I'm gonna fight as a White man.' Even George Wallace today is still saying, 'Racism is evil.' And I believe that if we keep saying this, for the benefit of the Jews, so they won't call us hate mongers and racists - we're gonna get whipped. I believe the time is too short. Time is desparate. It is time to stand up and tell the whole truth, and to fight for it. To organize, not as conservatives, not as Republicans, not as Democrats, not as liberals, not as Northerners, not as Southerners, not as Protestants, or religious, or anti-religious or anything else but as White men. Stand up with all our hearts and souls and unite!"

"I like Jews. I’ll be very sorry when we’ve killed the last of them."

Source

Rockwell: We're talking about niggers—and there's no doubt in my mind that they're basically animalistic.
Haley: In what way?
Rockwell: Spiritually. Our white kids are being perverted, like Pavlov's dogs, by conditioned-reflex training. For instance, every time a white kid is getting a piece of ass, the car radio is blaring nigger bebop. Under such powerful stimuli, it's not long before a kid begins unconsciously to connect these savage sounds with intense pleasure and thus transfers his natural pleasurable reactions in sex to an unnatural love of the chaotic and animalistic nigger music, which destroys a love of order and real beauty among our kids. This is how you niggers corrupt our white kids—without even laying a dirty hand on them. Not that you wouldn't like to.

Haley: Do you consider Negroes superior to white men in any other way?
Rockwell: On the contrary—I consider them inferior to the white man in every other way.

Source (and there's way more there).

An FBI report on the ANP to be perused at your leisure.

At any rate, it can be clearly shown that the ANP was founded as an inherentlly racist organization, and despite their attempts to present a non-racist face to the world, there's been no repudation of their founder's ideas or ideals, and in fact, he's still held up as an ideal in the organization.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Haven't read the thread, eh?

In America, non-white racial pride groups have almost always been a reaction to white dominance and the marginalization of the group that is now showing pride. However, white pride groups have, to my knowledge, always been about continuing white dominance at the expense of these groups.

Well I'm certainly not denying that. I'm just on the mind that if some can't, all can't

It's the difference between shooting someone in self-defense and shooting someone as a robber.

[Egoman]

Well I'm certainly not denying that. I'm just on the mind that if some can't, all can't

It's the difference between shooting someone and claiming it to be in self-defense and shooting someone as a robber.

Ftfy!

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's the difference between shooting someone and claiming it to be in self-defense and shooting someone as a robber.

Ftfy!

Okay. Are you saying that there's a case to be made that Black Pride organizations did NOT arise as a response to generations of systemic oppression at the hands of white people?

[New Skaaneland]

Still no third alternative?

[Egoman]

Ftfy!

Okay. Are you saying that there's a case to be made that Black Pride organizations did NOT arise as a response to generations of systemic oppression at the hands of white people?

I am saying it's ir-re-le-vant, not that you really care.

[Latzemia]

Why so many of you think white pride is bad? No, not ridiculous/silly, but bad? Can you give one reason?
Is it racist? No, racist is white supermacy not white pride. White pride may only be silly, but not bad. The SAME is for other prides (black, asian etc.).

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Okay. Are you saying that there's a case to be made that Black Pride organizations did NOT arise as a response to generations of systemic oppression at the hands of white people?

I am saying it's ir-re-le-vant, not that you really care.

If you're trying to draw a moral equivalency between Black Pride and White Pride organizations, then the inspirations, background, motivations, and goals of the organizations in question are entirely relevant. Also, please do not tell me what I do and do not care about.

[Laerod]

Why so many of you think white pride is bad? No, not ridiculous/silly, but bad? Can you give one reason?

How do you know so many people think White Pride is bad? You clearly haven't read the thread, so that's not why.

[Sociobiology]

racial pride in general never made any sense to me, its not as if you have any control over it. take pride in accomplishments not dumb luck.