White Pride: A good thing?

[Laerod]

And thus I have sufficient cause to dismiss your point.

You'd probably do it anyway seeing that you prefer to believe in a "white pride is bad, other pride is not bad"-double standard.

So long as you don't provide evidence to further your cause, you're not in a position to complain.

Show us some. The public representation, even in this very thread, of White Pride has been overwhelmingly racist.

Extremists tend to be more vocal than more moderate people.

When we're talking about a hate group like White Pride, you will need to provide more than a hypothesis to back that up.

[Egoman]

Of course not, because you say so. For example, I'm sure the NBPP is not racist at all. It's just a black pride collective!

I don't recall anyone stating that the NBPP wasn't racist. "Black Pride" in and of itself is not racist, but there have been racists who have used it. However, I have never seen an example of a "White Pride" group that was not racist. I'm perfectly willing to look at any evidence to the contrary, though.

Really, you have to do better than strawmen.

There being just violent or racist people or groups promoting white pride is irrelevant. That still doesn't mean white pride is inherently racist or violent.

[Laerod]

Wondering this again too, because I think it's almost 50/50 now. I mean, it's one thing if you get careless and vote twice by accident, but it's not like that could have happened so many times.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if some people were using multiple nations to skew the vote.

I don't even bother voting on shit like this, so there's that too.

[Neues Nationalsozialistiches Reich]

I think this depends on where you live because I think that every person should integrate to whatever country he or she lives in. If you live in a majority Caucasian country, scream "White Pride Worldwide" as much as you like. If an immigrant is offended, inform him that you are merely being proud of your race because you live in a country of white people and not establishing he is inferior rather than have that person appeal to "political correctness". But is you are in a country with a non-white majority, keep your mouth shut about it because that's their land not yours and by coming to their land, you have to respect their country and culture just as much as they have to respect yours when rhey come to your country. But when racial pride is used by anyone to denigrate someone or to make others look inferior, whether white, black, Asian, Latino, etc. , I do not support that kind of thing. It would be better if pride was based on the country you live in rather than by race, as sometimes, a country has been seen by other countries of the same race to be race traitors or subhumans (ex. China and Korea think of Japanese people as "devils" and Nazi Germany believed Slavs are "subhumans") and racial pride might lead to treason if people separated by borders sympathize with each other (ex. Arab immigrants sympathize with ISIS). Racial pride is fine, as long as you are not plotting treason against the country you live in. You chose to live there, and it let you so in exchange you must support your country unless the country is deliberately oppressing you and your race. If you live in a country that treats you rather nicely, I see no reason why you should support people racially closer to you that live in another country rather than the place you call home.

[Egoman]

You'd probably do it anyway seeing that you prefer to believe in a "white pride is bad, other pride is not bad"-double standard.

So long as you don't provide evidence to further your cause, you're not in a position to complain.

Extremists tend to be more vocal than more moderate people.

When we're talking about a hate group like White Pride, you will need to provide more than a hypothesis to back that up.

Hate isn't inherent to pride.

[Laerod]

So long as you don't provide evidence to further your cause, you're not in a position to complain.

When we're talking about a hate group like White Pride, you will need to provide more than a hypothesis to back that up.

Hate isn't inherent to pride.

Exactly why Black Pride isn't a hate group while White Pride is.

[Kalmarium]

Hate isn't inherent to pride.

Exactly why Black Pride isn't a hate group while White Pride is.

What?

[Egoman]

Hate isn't inherent to pride.

Exactly why Black Pride isn't a hate group while White Pride is.

How about you prove that all of white pride is racist or just admit that all you've been doing is spouting generalizations and double standards?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I don't recall anyone stating that the NBPP wasn't racist. "Black Pride" in and of itself is not racist, but there have been racists who have used it. However, I have never seen an example of a "White Pride" group that was not racist. I'm perfectly willing to look at any evidence to the contrary, though.

Really, you have to do better than strawmen.

There being just violent or racist people or groups promoting white pride is irrelevant. That still doesn't mean white pride is inherently racist or violent.

Can you show me a white pride group that is neither?

I mean, while the NBPP is virulently racist, the older one was not, and was against power structures that favored white people rather than white people themselves (though there were likely individuals within the organization who disliked white people, that was never a focus of the group as a whole). However, since White Pride is not inherently racist, it should be no problem for you to show me even one group that doesn't preach segregation and/or supremacy.

[Laerod]

Exactly why Black Pride isn't a hate group while White Pride is.

How about you prove that all of white pride is racist or just admit that all you've been doing is spouting generalizations and double standards?

But I have provided evidence that White Pride is nigh exclusively racist. So have the White Pride adherents in this thread.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Exactly why Black Pride isn't a hate group while White Pride is.

How about you prove that all of white pride is racist or just admit that all you've been doing is spouting generalizations and double standards?

How about you show us a white pride group that isn't inherently racist and created with the specific intent of keeping white people on the top of the pyramid?

[Egoman]

There being just violent or racist people or groups promoting white pride is irrelevant. That still doesn't mean white pride is inherently racist or violent.

Can you show me a white pride group that is neither?

I mean, while the NBPP is virulently racist, the older one was not, and was against power structures that favored white people rather than white people themselves (though there were likely individuals within the organization who disliked white people, that was never a focus of the group as a whole). However, since White Pride is not inherently racist, it should be no problem for you to show me even one group that doesn't preach segregation and/or supremacy.

Since there's that narrative going strong, how about you prove me that your generalization is true?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

How about you prove that all of white pride is racist or just admit that all you've been doing is spouting generalizations and double standards?

How about you show us a white pride group that isn't inherently racist and created with the specific intent of keeping white people on the top of the pyramid?

[url]Behold a pale unicorn.[/url]

[Egoman]

How about you prove that all of white pride is racist or just admit that all you've been doing is spouting generalizations and double standards?

But I have provided evidence that White Pride is nigh exclusively racist. So have the White Pride adherents in this thread.

What was it that you said again? Oh yeah.

Point dismissed due to previous failure to substantiate claims when asked.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

But I have provided evidence that White Pride is nigh exclusively racist. So have the White Pride adherents in this thread.

What was it that you said again? Oh yeah.

Point dismissed due to previous failure to substantiate claims when asked.

But he already has substantiated his claim, pointing out the lack of non-racist white pride groups. Show the existence of non-racist white pride groups and he'll reconsider.

[Qanchia]

If someone is proud of their skin colour, then more power to them. Better than being insecure about it.

[Egoman]

What was it that you said again? Oh yeah.

But he already has substantiated his claim, pointing out the lack of non-racist white pride groups. Show the existence of non-racist white pride groups and he'll reconsider.

I don't have to entertain his generalization.

[Laerod]

But I have provided evidence that White Pride is nigh exclusively racist. So have the White Pride adherents in this thread.

What was it that you said again? Oh yeah.

Point dismissed due to previous failure to substantiate claims when asked.

So what you're saying is you accept my evidence because of my previous success in substantiating claims when asked...

[Kalmarium]

Well then should non-whites exercise pride in their races if whites can't? Not to imply I support white pride (or any thereof) but I don't really see anything positive over such things.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Can you show me a white pride group that is neither?

I mean, while the NBPP is virulently racist, the older one was not, and was against power structures that favored white people rather than white people themselves (though there were likely individuals within the organization who disliked white people, that was never a focus of the group as a whole). However, since White Pride is not inherently racist, it should be no problem for you to show me even one group that doesn't preach segregation and/or supremacy.

Since there's that narrative going strong, how about you prove me that your generalization is true?

You're asking me to list every racist white pride group.

I'm asking you to list ONE that isn't.

Which request is more reasonable?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Hate isn't inherent to pride.

Exactly why Black Pride isn't a hate group while White Pride is.

If this isn't sarcasm, then you may have very well just embodied logical fallacies.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Well then should non-whites exercise pride in their races if whites can't? Not to imply I support white pride (or any thereof) but I don't really see anything positive over such things.

Haven't read the thread, eh?

In America, non-white racial pride groups have almost always been a reaction to white dominance and the marginalization of the group that is now showing pride. However, white pride groups have, to my knowledge, always been about continuing white dominance at the expense of these groups.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Exactly why Black Pride isn't a hate group while White Pride is.

If this isn't sarcasm, then you may have very well just embodied logical fallacies.

Except that the reasoning behind this has been explained.

[Ensydia]

Since there's that narrative going strong, how about you prove me that your generalization is true?

You're asking me to list every racist white pride group.

I'm asking you to list ONE that isn't.

Which request is more reasonable?

The American Nazi Party.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

If this isn't sarcasm, then you may have very well just embodied logical fallacies.

Except that the reasoning behind this has been explained.

Then I must be a terrible reader, because Laerod has yet to explain why black pride is inherently better than white pride, despite all the crimes and violence committed in the name of both black and white pride.