White Pride: A good thing?

[Melfar]

Why should people scream racism everytime someone says that? And if they should, shouldn't we do this for every ethnicity? Legitimately curious.

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Review the last few pages for others' explanations that may be more to your liking.

I agree mostly. But if one person can be proud, then another should be able to as well. Context is key. If someone says "I like being white. I'm proud of my attractive tan line", I see no harm there. The people who use white pride to shit on other ethnicities, however, are far more common, so I can understand what you're trying to say.

[Sun Wukong]

It's especially confusing when you realize my sources actually are senior, published, employed scholars and doctors in their fields.

And just like statistics they are prone to their opinions. Thats the downside of science that I soon realized when I got to college. Hell, even my own professors admitted that it is hard to not inject their personal opinions in their results to skew things to their point of view. The general public will still believe it..well... because its science right?

So I'm not saying they are wrong, rather it is common for conflicts to occur in various fields, and so I cannot say they are right either. That is why the theory of relativity is still a theory despite it being in existence for about a century as an example. Enough of the scientific community disagree with it or certain evidence doesn't add up.

If you actually managed to graduate while believing something as stupid as that, then your college should be discredited.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It's especially confusing when you realize my sources actually are senior, published, employed scholars and doctors in their fields.

And just like statistics they are prone to their opinions. Thats the downside of science that I soon realized when I got to college. Hell, even my own professors admitted that it is hard to not inject their personal opinions in their results to skew things to their point of view. The general public will still believe it..well... because its science right?

So I'm not saying they are wrong, rather it is common for conflicts to occur in various fields, and so I cannot say they are right either. That is why the theory of relativity is still a theory despite it being in existence for about a century as an example. Enough of the scientific community disagree with it or certain evidence doesn't add up.

Except the only legitimate side here is mine. You haven't provided a single source for your argument.

I have one hundred percent more validity than you right now, barring you provide us with some sort of evidence.

[Imperialisium]

It's especially confusing when you realize my sources actually are senior, published, employed scholars and doctors in their fields.

Yes. Mans since we seem to be on the same side with this--

Except geneticists disagree. Mixed race babies usually have more negatives than positives in their gene pool. Maybe in a million years when Evolution kicks in it'll work out better. Till then not so much.

Aside from being total crap, That would be calling mixed race people genetically inferior, no? Even if it's only "usually," that's still saying the majority of us are genetically bad.

No it isn't it. Stop being presumptive and treating a difference in the matter as an insult.

I said "usually" for ease in the fact it all comes down to case by case basis and there are significant risks and its been proven that dominant genes pass on more readily than recessive genes. I'm more concerned for the child's health than the fact its a mixed race child. Like I've already said I could care less about the baby being mixed race. I'm more concerned about the possible genetic outcomes that may effect the child.

So unless you can show me how recessive genes are in fact more dominant than "dominant" genes I suggest you stop.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So unless you can show me how recessive genes are in fact more dominant than "dominant" genes I suggest you stop.

I suggest you actually back up your argument with fucking anything before you actually try to tell someone else they wrong about shit.

[Sun Wukong]

Yes. Mans since we seem to be on the same side with this--

Aside from being total crap, That would be calling mixed race people genetically inferior, no? Even if it's only "usually," that's still saying the majority of us are genetically bad.

No it isn't it. Stop being presumptive and treating a difference in the matter as an insult.

I said "usually" for ease in the fact it all comes down to case by case basis and there are significant risks and its been proven that dominant genes pass on more readily than recessive genes. I'm more concerned for the child's health than the fact its a mixed race child. Like I've already said I could care less about the baby being mixed race. I'm more concerned about the possible genetic outcomes that may effect the child.

So unless you can show me how recessive genes are in fact more dominant than "dominant" genes I suggest you stop.

To someone who actually understands genetics, it's so very obvious that you don't.

[Geilinor]

Yes. Mans since we seem to be on the same side with this--

Aside from being total crap, That would be calling mixed race people genetically inferior, no? Even if it's only "usually," that's still saying the majority of us are genetically bad.

No it isn't it. Stop being presumptive and treating a difference in the matter as an insult.

I said "usually" for ease in the fact it all comes down to case by case basis and there are significant risks and its been proven that dominant genes pass on more readily than recessive genes. I'm more concerned for the child's health than the fact its a mixed race child. Like I've already said I could care less about the baby being mixed race. I'm more concerned about the possible genetic outcomes that may effect the child.

So unless you can show me how recessive genes are in fact more dominant than "dominant" genes I suggest you stop.

I'm inclined to ask you for a source.

[Terminus Alpha]

No it isn't it. Stop being presumptive and treating a difference in the matter as an insult.

I said "usually" for ease in the fact it all comes down to case by case basis and there are significant risks and its been proven that dominant genes pass on more readily than recessive genes. I'm more concerned for the child's health than the fact its a mixed race child. Like I've already said I could care less about the baby being mixed race. I'm more concerned about the possible genetic outcomes that may effect the child.

So unless you can show me how recessive genes are in fact more dominant than "dominant" genes I suggest you stop.

I'm inclined to ask you for a source.

They don't have one. I asked earlier, and got told to look it up on my own.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Yes. Mans since we seem to be on the same side with this--

Aside from being total crap, That would be calling mixed race people genetically inferior, no? Even if it's only "usually," that's still saying the majority of us are genetically bad.

No it isn't it. Stop being presumptive and treating a difference in the matter as an insult.

I said "usually" for ease in the fact it all comes down to case by case basis and there are significant risks and its been proven that dominant genes pass on more readily than recessive genes. I'm more concerned for the child's health than the fact its a mixed race child. Like I've already said I could care less about the baby being mixed race. I'm more concerned about the possible genetic outcomes that may effect the child.

So unless you can show me how recessive genes are in fact more dominant than "dominant" genes I suggest you stop.

Apparently, you don't know how genetic inheritance works.

Dominant genes aren't inherited more readily than recessive ones. There's no difference when it comes to inheritance. That's genotype.

Your phenotype, however, is your physical traits, which will display dominant genes if either allele for a two-allele trait is dominant.

And I don't understand your reasoning that mixed-race people are more likely to inherit "bad genes." Native Americans, in fact, in places where they try to maintain "pure blood," are bringing out hemophilia in their pedigree because of procreating within their race.

[Imperialisium]

And just like statistics they are prone to their opinions. Thats the downside of science that I soon realized when I got to college. Hell, even my own professors admitted that it is hard to not inject their personal opinions in their results to skew things to their point of view. The general public will still believe it..well... because its science right?

So I'm not saying they are wrong, rather it is common for conflicts to occur in various fields, and so I cannot say they are right either. That is why the theory of relativity is still a theory despite it being in existence for about a century as an example. Enough of the scientific community disagree with it or certain evidence doesn't add up.

Except the only legitimate side here is mine. You haven't provided a single source for your argument.

I have one hundred percent more validity than you right now, barring you provide us with some sort of evidence.

Very well.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/

http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/oct03/udry10302003.html

Works by J. Phillipe Rushton and other scholars of that viewpoint I find to be particularly interesting to read on the logic of their studies.

That's just he psychology part of it.

So we have a difference in opinion brought up on the fact that science is also not always of the same likeness as well.

[Melfar]

Yes. Mans since we seem to be on the same side with this--

Aside from being total crap, That would be calling mixed race people genetically inferior, no? Even if it's only "usually," that's still saying the majority of us are genetically bad.

No it isn't it. Stop being presumptive and treating a difference in the matter as an insult.

I said "usually" for ease in the fact it all comes down to case by case basis and there are significant risks and its been proven that dominant genes pass on more readily than recessive genes. I'm more concerned for the child's health than the fact its a mixed race child. Like I've already said I could care less about the baby being mixed race. I'm more concerned about the possible genetic outcomes that may effect the child.

So unless you can show me how recessive genes are in fact more dominant than "dominant" genes I suggest you stop.

If it comes down to a case by case basis, then they would have the same odds as people with 2 white/black/Asian/Nat-Ameri parents. Skin color doesn't have any effect on the possibility of a genetic disease. What you are talking about is called inbreeding.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Except the only legitimate side here is mine. You haven't provided a single source for your argument.

I have one hundred percent more validity than you right now, barring you provide us with some sort of evidence.

Very well.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/

http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/oct03/udry10302003.html

Works by J. Phillipe Rushton and other scholars of that viewpoint I find to be particularly interesting to read on the logic of their studies.

That's just he psychology part of it.

So we have a difference in opinion brought up on the fact that science is also not always of the same likeness as well.

"Most of the risk items we assessed may be related to stress, and so we believe being of mixed race is a source of stress."

Societal pressure. Not genetics.

Next.

[Sun Wukong]

No it isn't it. Stop being presumptive and treating a difference in the matter as an insult.

I said "usually" for ease in the fact it all comes down to case by case basis and there are significant risks and its been proven that dominant genes pass on more readily than recessive genes. I'm more concerned for the child's health than the fact its a mixed race child. Like I've already said I could care less about the baby being mixed race. I'm more concerned about the possible genetic outcomes that may effect the child.

So unless you can show me how recessive genes are in fact more dominant than "dominant" genes I suggest you stop.

Apparently, you don't know how genetic inheritance works.

Dominant genes aren't inherited more readily than recessive ones. There's no difference when it comes to inheritance. That's genotype.

Your phenotype, however, is your physical traits, which will display dominant genes if either allele for a two-allele trait is dominant.

And I don't understand your reasoning that mixed-race people are more likely to inherit "bad genes." Native Americans, in fact, in places where they try to maintain "pure blood," are bringing out hemophilia in their pedigree because of procreating within their race.

In fact, recessive genes are much more likely to be deleterious.

Simply because, evolutionary speaking, a deleterious dominant trait will always be selected against, whereas a deleterious recessive trait will only be selected against if it has already saturated a breeding population.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Yes. Mans since we seem to be on the same side with this--

Aside from being total crap, That would be calling mixed race people genetically inferior, no? Even if it's only "usually," that's still saying the majority of us are genetically bad.

No it isn't it. Stop being presumptive and treating a difference in the matter as an insult.

You just said we have more negatives than positives. You just made the case that mixed race people are more of a liability to society than any other sort of person.

I said "usually" for ease in the fact it all comes down to case by case basis

"Usually" means the majority of us. In what way does that really help things?

and there are significant risks and its been proven that dominant genes pass on more readily than recessive genes.

Significant risks to being mixed race? No. There are none. Unless you're referring to people who would like to kill us.

I'm more concerned for the child's health than the fact its a mixed race child. Like I've already said I could care less about the baby being mixed race. I'm more concerned about the possible genetic outcomes that may effect the child.

Then why did you mention mixed race to begin with? You brought that up, not me.

So unless you can show me how recessive genes are in fact more dominant than "dominant" genes I suggest you stop.

I never said they weren't. You haven't understood what I've said. By the way, Prussia-Steinbach seems to agree with me. And didn't you say not too long ago he was smart?

Yes. Mans since we seem to be on the same side with this--

Aside from being total crap, That would be calling mixed race people genetically inferior, no? Even if it's only "usually," that's still saying the majority of us are genetically bad.

That's also the literal definition of racism, come to think of it.

[Geilinor]

Except the only legitimate side here is mine. You haven't provided a single source for your argument.

I have one hundred percent more validity than you right now, barring you provide us with some sort of evidence.

Very well.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/

http://www.unc.edu/news/archives/oct03/udry10302003.html

Works by J. Phillipe Rushton and other scholars of that viewpoint I find to be particularly interesting to read on the logic of their studies.

That's just he psychology part of it.

So we have a difference in opinion brought up on the fact that science is also not always of the same likeness as well.

The most common explanation in the literature is stress associated with identity conflict.

The problems arise because of society's expectation of a single identity.

[Imperialisium]

Well that was a good laugh.

I love being right. But then people misinterpret it completely and formulate an argument so chalk full of fallacies and personal opinions its remorseful. Maybe I care to much about Humanity as a whole?

Well time to move on since this is another lost cause thread.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Well that was a good laugh.

I love being right.

Then you must be awfully sad, considering how wrong you are.

[Aryan Union of Celts]

I'm a white nationalist and I support my race and its superior qualities. We invented everything you use today, computers, roads, cars and the internet, so don't bitch about how you shouldn't be proud of your race.

Hi everyone I'm back!
And if there is one thing I'm proud of, its my race.

[Nilla Wayfarers]

Well that was a good laugh.

I love being right. But then people misinterpret it completely and formulate an argument so chalk full of fallacies and personal opinions its remorseful. Maybe I care to much about Humanity as a whole?

Well time to move on since this is another lost cause thread.

...What?

How is basic Mendelian genetics such a "fallacy?"

[Aryan Union of Celts]

Well that was a good laugh.

I love being right.

Then you must be awfully sad, considering how wrong you are.

Better being right than left.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I'm a white nationalist and I support my race and its superior qualities. We invented everything you use today, computers, roads, cars and the internet, so don't bitch about how you shouldn't be proud of your race.

Hi everyone I'm back!
And if there is one thing I'm proud of, its my race.

Racism is bad, and race doesn't exist.

Moving on.

[Sun Wukong]

Well that was a good laugh.

I love being right. But then people misinterpret it completely and formulate an argument so chalk full of fallacies and personal opinions its remorseful. Maybe I care to much about Humanity as a whole?

Well time to move on since this is another lost cause thread.

It must suck to be you right now then.

[Imperialisium]

Well that was a good laugh.

I love being right.

Then you must be awfully sad, considering how wrong you are.

I respect your opinions. But it seems we are on different sides of the table on this one.

[Geilinor]

Well that was a good laugh.

I love being right. But then people misinterpret it completely and formulate an argument so chalk full of fallacies and personal opinions its remorseful. Maybe I care to much about Humanity as a whole?

Well time to move on since this is another lost cause thread.

Your own source proves you racist and wrong.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Better being right than left.

Better being right, than being reduced to using random buzzword catchphrases that only serve to lose you what credibility you may still retain in defense of an indefensible position.