White Pride: A good thing?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Hahano.

Yes. Whenever someone says they're proud to be white, society screams "racism"

No, they don't. Even though they should.

[Imperialisium]

I said "chance" not "everyone who is mixed race." And I'm speaking about genes, not the races involved.

I recommend researching it yourself since it is an evolving science and I may be outdated from the research I've read a year ago along with the lectures. But currently it seems that mixed race babies have a higher chance of retaining genes that may cause health problems.

No. Prussia-Steinbach looked into it, and the sources seem to disagree with you.

They aren't.

In fact, they're scientifically more attractive, as well as less prone to infectious diseases and parasites. It's a fact they're biologically better off than those of us with much less genetic diversity.

This is not so much the fact the baby is mixed, rather the combination of genes.

...So then why did you make that point to begin with, if it didn't really have anything to do with race?

Many genes considered malicious like sickle cell anemia are dominant genes.

Not quite...

The disease has a recessive pattern of inheritance: only individuals with two copies of the sickle-cell allele have the disease. People with just one copy are healthy.

Malaria resistance, however, is.

Malaria resistance has a dominant inheritance pattern: just one copy of the sickle cell allele is enough to protect against infection. This is the very same allele that, in a recessive inheritance pattern, causes sickle-cell disease!

And that's actually kinda cool.
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/ ... /patterns/
Also, not every African has sickle cell, if that's what you're suggesting.

While the genes that confer immunity to aids are recessive and so far have been only found in Central European/Northern European gene pools. Research into gene splicing may correct this occurrence and allow greater trade offs in offspring. Only time will tell.

Just source something.

So before people call me disgusting or wrong. Know what the hell I am talking about first. Because quite frankly using fallacies doesn't get anyone anywhere.

You basically just called me genetically inferior. So yeah, I think what you said is disgusting. You yourself are just misguided.

I am not misguided. do not assume. Nor did I call you inferior. Why do you think that? I'm talking about genes here. I even said its been found that not all mixed race babies are at a disadvantage. I said "chance". It's truly a case by case basis. If both parents are healthy the is minimal, if one parent say has sickle cell anemia then there is at least a 75% chance of it being passed onto the child. That's how genes work. So I could care less what race or mix you are.

Also Prussias sources are...barely academic at best but I know he's a smart guy so that's not an insult to him. I'm going from textbook material that I'm sure you can find on Amazon, or other store. I typically stay away from the Internet and go through Medical journals or through my college professors which I find to be more rewarding.

But seeing as this thread is coming r down to opinion rather than scholarly debate I'll take my leave.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Hahano.

Yes. Whenever someone says they're proud to be white, society screams "racism"

I wonder why. Oh wait.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pride

The slogan is primarily used by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi, and white supremacist organizations.

Remember kids: When you believe in white pride, you're using white supremacists' logic!

[Gyrenaica]

Yes. Whenever someone says they're proud to be white, society screams "racism"

All of society? Really? Have you looked through this thread? There are a ton of other people who probably shared your views and have already tried bringing up that point.

Not all.

[Actan]

"White Pride"isn't a thing because most whites who do that are fairly racist. "Proud" whites who aren't racist never say white pride, they say Irish pride, or Italian pride, or Polish pride etc. which has far fewer racist connotations and is unlikely to draw the attention of the KKK or Nazi Party.

[Imperialisium]

"White Pride"isn't a thing because most whites who do that are fairly racist. "Proud" whites who aren't racist never say white pride, they say Irish pride, or Italian pride, or Polish pride etc. which has far fewer racist connotations and is unlikely to draw the attention of the KKK or Nazi Party.

My only beef with your opinion is that there is a difference between race and ethnicity. Technically speaking there are three races to categorize human genes and ethnicity. White and Black are pretty much catch all terms for the various European and African ethnicity found on the planet Earth.

If someone can say "Black Pride." It is only fair with equal rights for someone to say "white pride." But I guess you could call me a dreamer for wishing it was that simple.

[The Nihilistic view]

It's either bad or neutral depending on the situation and the reasons behind the individual expressing it. I can't think of a situation where it's good.

[Melfar]

Yes. Whenever someone says they're proud to be white, society screams "racism"

No, they don't. Even though they should.

Why should people scream racism everytime someone says that? And if they should, shouldn't we do this for every ethnicity? Legitimately curious.

[Dooom35796821595]

"White Pride"isn't a thing because most whites who do that are fairly racist. "Proud" whites who aren't racist never say white pride, they say Irish pride, or Italian pride, or Polish pride etc. which has far fewer racist connotations and is unlikely to draw the attention of the KKK or Nazi Party.

My only beef with your opinion is that there is a difference between race and ethnicity. Technically speaking there are three races to categorize human genes and ethnicity. White and Black are pretty much catch all terms for the various European and African ethnicity found on the planet Earth.

If someone can say "Black Pride." It is only fair with equal rights for someone to say "white pride." But I guess you could call me a dreamer for wishing it was that simple.

Red power!

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No, they don't. Even though they should.

Why should people scream racism everytime someone says that? And if they should, shouldn't we do this for every ethnicity? Legitimately curious.

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Review the last few pages for others' explanations that may be more to your liking.

[The NAR]

No, they don't. Even though they should.

Why should people scream racism everytime someone says that? And if they should, shouldn't we do this for every ethnicity? Legitimately curious.

I'm curious too

[Actan]

"White Pride"isn't a thing because most whites who do that are fairly racist. "Proud" whites who aren't racist never say white pride, they say Irish pride, or Italian pride, or Polish pride etc. which has far fewer racist connotations and is unlikely to draw the attention of the KKK or Nazi Party.

My only beef with your opinion is that there is a difference between race and ethnicity. Technically speaking there are three races to categorize human genes and ethnicity. White and Black are pretty much catch all terms for the various European and African ethnicity found on the planet Earth.

If someone can say "Black Pride." It is only fair with equal rights for someone to say "white pride." But I guess you could call me a dreamer for wishing it was that simple.

"Black pride" exists because it has been very difficult to find the exact ethnicity of many African-Americans since the slave holders didn't particularly care from where in Africa they came from.

There isn't "Asian"pride either.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Also Prussias sources are...barely academic at best...

I think someone with a PhD in genetics can be considered an authority on this subject.

Especially considering that person's research coincides with that of Professor Bill Amos at Cambridge University (Professor of Evolutionary Genetics in the Department of Zoology, from the Department of Genetics, Cambridge, where he had been joint head of the Molecular Ecology Research Group), and Dr Gerome Breen of King's College London (Lead author and senior lecturer, Department of Social Genetic & Developmental Psychiatry, Research Group NIHR Biomedical Research Centre).

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Why should people scream racism everytime someone says that? And if they should, shouldn't we do this for every ethnicity? Legitimately curious.

I'm curious too

We have explained this to you so many fucking times. You have no excuse. You are willfully remaining ignorant of the myriad of arguments that have been thrown at your face over the past dozen pages.

[Imperialisium]

My only beef with your opinion is that there is a difference between race and ethnicity. Technically speaking there are three races to categorize human genes and ethnicity. White and Black are pretty much catch all terms for the various European and African ethnicity found on the planet Earth.

If someone can say "Black Pride." It is only fair with equal rights for someone to say "white pride." But I guess you could call me a dreamer for wishing it was that simple.

"Black pride" exists because it has been very difficult to find the exact ethnicity of many African-Americans since the slave holders didn't particularly care from where in Africa they came from.

There isn't "Asian"pride either.

Same can be said for White Pride. I mean what of people from multiple European ethnicities? Should they say,"Italo-French-Welsh-Irish Pride?"

Or in my case should I be saying, "German-Scandinavian-Prussian-Austrian Pride."

[The NAR]

"Black pride" exists because it has been very difficult to find the exact ethnicity of many African-Americans since the slave holders didn't particularly care from where in Africa they came from.

There isn't "Asian"pride either.

Same can be said for White Pride. I mean what of people from multiple European ethnicities? Should they say,"Italo-French-Welsh-Irish Pride?"

Or in my case should I be saying, "German-Scandinavian-Prussian-Austrian Pride."

He has a point

[Actan]

"Black pride" exists because it has been very difficult to find the exact ethnicity of many African-Americans since the slave holders didn't particularly care from where in Africa they came from.

There isn't "Asian"pride either.

Same can be said for White Pride. I mean what of people from multiple European ethnicities? Should they say,"Italo-French-Welsh-Irish Pride?"

Or in my case should I be saying, "German-Scandinavian-Prussian-Austrian Pride."

Except you have some record of you ethnicity as compared to blacks.

At the point you are many ethnicity, perhaps you be have "American" pride then.

[The Cobalt Sky]

No. Prussia-Steinbach looked into it, and the sources seem to disagree with you.


...So then why did you make that point to begin with, if it didn't really have anything to do with race?

Not quite...

Malaria resistance, however, is.

And that's actually kinda cool.
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/ ... /patterns/
Also, not every African has sickle cell, if that's what you're suggesting.

Just source something.

You basically just called me genetically inferior. So yeah, I think what you said is disgusting. You yourself are just misguided.

I am not misguided.

Based on what you've said so far, understand my skepticism.

do not assume. Nor did I call you inferior. Why do you think that?

The "mixed race kids have more negatives than positives" comment.

Except geneticists disagree. Mixed race babies usually have more negatives than positives in their gene pool. Maybe in a million years when Evolution kicks in it'll work out better. Till then not so much.

I'm talking about genes here. I even said its been found that not all mixed race babies are at a disadvantage. I said "chance". It's truly a case by case basis. If both parents are healthy the is minimal, if one parent say has sickle cell anemia then there is at least a 75% chance of it being passed onto the child. That's how genes work. So I could care less what race or mix you are.

Not full blown. Did you even read what I wrote?

Also Prussias sources are...barely academic at best

As opposed to your lack of sources?

but I know he's a smart guy so that's not an insult to him. I'm going from textbook material that I'm sure you can find on Amazon, or other store. I typically stay away from the Internet and go through Medical journals or through my college professors which I find to be more rewarding.

So, still no source.

But seeing as this thread is coming r down to opinion rather than scholarly debate I'll take my leave.

You hadn't provided a direct source for a single thing. You were hardly "scholarly".

[Imperialisium]

Same can be said for White Pride. I mean what of people from multiple European ethnicities? Should they say,"Italo-French-Welsh-Irish Pride?"

Or in my case should I be saying, "German-Scandinavian-Prussian-Austrian Pride."

He has a point

I mean I just have a tough time comprehending the logic in that people want equal rights for everyone in just about everything...But then pull a huge disclaimer in that certain people can't actually have equal rights under the premise that "They don't need it."

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Also Prussias sources are...barely academic at best

As opposed to your lack of sources?

but I know he's a smart guy so that's not an insult to him. I'm going from textbook material that I'm sure you can find on Amazon, or other store. I typically stay away from the Internet and go through Medical journals or through my college professors which I find to be more rewarding.

So, still no source.

But seeing as this thread is coming r down to opinion rather than scholarly debate I'll take my leave.

You hadn't provided a direct source for a single thing. You were hardly "scholarly".

It's especially confusing when you realize my sources actually are senior, published, employed scholars and doctors in their fields.

[The NAR]

He has a point

I mean I just have a tough time comprehending the logic in that people want equal rights for everyone in just about everything...But then pull a huge disclaimer in that certain people can't actually have equal rights under the premise that "They don't need it."

Well people have a tough time accepting white pride because they assume it means you're a white supremacist, which isn't the case. Because white people don't "need" pride, it's racist. To them at least

[Sun Wukong]

If you can hold a white pride rally without it being filled with racists, fascists, and right-wing reactionary nutjobs, then by all means do. If you feel, as a white person, that others are trying to make you feel ashamed of your skin color, and that you have to stand up to this, then fine. I will support that rally.

Good luck making it happen though.

[Imperialisium]

As opposed to your lack of sources?

So, still no source.

You hadn't provided a direct source for a single thing. You were hardly "scholarly".

It's especially confusing when you realize my sources actually are senior, published, employed scholars and doctors in their fields.

And just like statistics they are prone to their opinions. Thats the downside of science that I soon realized when I got to college. Hell, even my own professors admitted that it is hard to not inject their personal opinions in their results to skew things to their point of view. The general public will still believe it..well... because its science right?

So I'm not saying they are wrong, rather it is common for conflicts to occur in various fields, and so I cannot say they are right either. That is why the theory of relativity is still a theory despite it being in existence for about a century as an example. Enough of the scientific community disagree with it or certain evidence doesn't add up.

[The Cobalt Sky]

As opposed to your lack of sources?

So, still no source.

You hadn't provided a direct source for a single thing. You were hardly "scholarly".

It's especially confusing when you realize my sources actually are senior, published, employed scholars and doctors in their fields.

Yes. Mans since we seem to be on the same side with this--

Except geneticists disagree. Mixed race babies usually have more negatives than positives in their gene pool. Maybe in a million years when Evolution kicks in it'll work out better. Till then not so much.

Aside from being total crap, That would be calling mixed race people genetically inferior, no? Even if it's only "usually," that's still saying the majority of us are genetically bad.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It's especially confusing when you realize my sources actually are senior, published, employed scholars and doctors in their fields.

Yes. Mans since we seem to be on the same side with this--

Except geneticists disagree. Mixed race babies usually have more negatives than positives in their gene pool. Maybe in a million years when Evolution kicks in it'll work out better. Till then not so much.

Aside from being total crap, That would be calling mixed race people genetically inferior, no? Even if it's only "usually," that's still saying the majority of us are genetically bad.

That's also the literal definition of racism, come to think of it.