Otherkin

[Thalasus]

And that's where I get the disconnect with what appears to be literally everyone else. Gender is so completely intertwined and integrated with sex that it seems ridiculous to me to accept one gender while having the other sex.

No, it isn't.

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Your wrong. Yes it is. Gender is literally defined by sex characteristics and by what sex you identify yourself as.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

[Pandeeria]

The idea as identifying as another species is, at best, downright silly.

FTFY

Are you implying that people that aligned themselves as Otherkin have some mental disorder?

[USS Monitor]

Species will never stop being a biological concept.

That's what they once said about sex

Sex is a biological concept. It's gender that is socially constructed.

[Dyakovo]

No, it isn't.

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Your wrong. Yes it is. Gender is literally defined by sex characteristics and by what sex you identify yourself as.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

You didn't bother reading your source, did you?

[Thalasus]

I got off topic. I'll stop talking about trans people now, but I suppose it's good that people on this thread know where I stand on that particular issue, since there are some few similarities between otherkin and trans people. And I'll leave it at that.

Anyways, yes. Otherkin are mentally ill if they 100% believe they are not human.

[Alyakia]

what about the south african girl that was born with a penis on her head? what about the women that are technically born without vaginas? i cba doing the full list but you know where this is going.

ah yes a persistent deep feeling for literally my entire life that i can remember if just suddenly deciding to be a woman one day. here, i officially present you with the "totally and completely understands transpeople" award.

I straight up said I don't understand trans people, so there. As for people with physical differences like the cases you mentioned, I suppose exceptions must be made, but those cases are so rare that they don't really matter on a societal level.

trans people are rare too, no?

really i can never get why if we can get XY females, XX males, X0, XXY, XXXX, etc. people, people with both genitals, no genitals, fucked up beyond recognition genitals, genitals on their foreheads, women born without vaginas and people literally born with no brain why born with the wrong set so completely out of consideration.

[Thalasus]

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Your wrong. Yes it is. Gender is literally defined by sex characteristics and by what sex you identify yourself as.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender

You didn't bother reading your source, did you?

I read more than you, apparently.
"Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e. the state of being male, female or intersex), sex-based social structures (including gender roles and other social roles), or gender identity."

[USS Monitor]

Sex is biological. Gender is not. Learn the fucking difference.

And that's where I get the disconnect with what appears to be literally everyone else. Gender is so completely intertwined and integrated with sex that it seems ridiculous to me to accept one gender while having the other sex.

Sometimes I am glad not to have sex organs, since it saves me the trouble of dealing with this nonsense.

[Dyakovo]

FTFY

Are you implying that people that aligned themselves as Otherkin have some mental disorder?

Some of them, yes. Difficulty distinguishing between what is real and what is imaginary is one of the defining characteristics of schizophrenia. "Otherkin" who insist that they're really some imaginary creature rather than being human could fit that bill.

[Thalasus]

Dammit, I got sucked into the argument I thought I stopped again. I just can't stop feeding it.

Okay, that's it. No more trans discussion for me. I'll swallow my pride and leave the last laugh to the people who I'm arguing with.

[Dyakovo]

You didn't bother reading your source, did you?

I read more than you, apparently.
"Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e. the state of being male, female or intersex), sex-based social structures (including gender roles and other social roles), or gender identity."

Note the the huge blue text. Also:

Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955. Before his work, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories.[1][2] However, Money's meaning of the word did not become widespread until the 1970s, when feminist theory embraced the concept of a distinction between biological sex and the social construct of gender. Today, the distinction is strictly followed in some contexts, especially the social sciences[4][5] and documents written by the World Health Organization (WHO).[3] However, in many other contexts, including some areas of social sciences, gender includes sex or replaces it.[1][2] Although this change in the meaning of gender can be traced to the 1980s, a small acceleration of the process in the scientific literature was observed in 1993 when the USA's Food and Drug Administration (FDA) started to use gender instead of sex.[6] In 2011, the FDA reversed its position and began using sex as the biological classification and gender as "a person's self representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions based on the individual's gender presentation."

[Geilinor]

FTFY

Are you implying that people that aligned themselves as Otherkin have some mental disorder?

They could. I don't think they do, but it is possible.

[Grenartia]

That's what they once said about sex

Both happen to be true. Sex is a fucking biological concept. As is species.

Exactly.

[Grenartia]

That's what they once said about sex

Sex is still a biological concept. I don't agree with the common notion that you can suddenly decide to be a woman one day because being a man doesn't "feel right". I know I'm gonna get loads of hate for this and probably called a troll, but what would an Internet thread be without its resident conservative, amirite?
It is my opinion that Transgendered people, are, for lack of a softer or more PC word, deranged. If you are born with a penis, you are a man. If you are born with a vagina, you are a woman. Both sexes have societal norms that, like many other societal norms, you are expected to deal with if not conform to. I simply fail to see what is the problem with this.
Now, don't misunderstand me. I still support transgendered people and call them their pronouns and stand up for the with the LGBT community. But do I understand it? No. Do I think it's okay for society? Not really.

And otherkin... Good lord. Same deal, just with way more insanity. While I was hesitant to call trans people mentally ill, I am perfectly okay with saying otherkin are completely insane and would do much better if they contacted a psychiatrist.

lolnope. That's not how it works, youngun.

You see, you're making the mistake that sex is the same as gender.

[Grenartia]

Sex is biological. Gender is not. Learn the fucking difference.

And that's where I get the disconnect with what appears to be literally everyone else. Gender is so completely intertwined and integrated with sex that it seems ridiculous to me to accept one gender while having the other sex.

Actually, not really. They're only "intertwined" because people like you insist they are.

[The Alexanderians]

That's what they once said about sex

Both happen to be true. Sex is a fucking biological concept. As is species.

That doesn't stop people from being offended and acting like a sex change somehow alters DNA.
>Not implying that this is part of Trans issues as a group just a select few.

[Dyakovo]

Both happen to be true. Sex is a fucking biological concept. As is species.

That doesn't stop people from being offended and acting like a sex change somehow alters DNA.

No-one does that.

[Grenartia]

I got off topic. I'll stop talking about trans people now, but I suppose it's good that people on this thread know where I stand on that particular issue, since there are some few similarities between otherkin and trans people. And I'll leave it at that.

Anyways, yes. Otherkin are mentally ill if they 100% believe they are not human.

To all the people who disagreed with me when I said that otherkin negatively impacts the struggle of the trans community for equality, I offer this nugget of bullshit (underlined for your viewing convenience) as proof that people do in fact conflate otherkin and being trans, and consistently use the ridiculousness of otherkin to deny us our equality.

[Grenartia]

That doesn't stop people from being offended and acting like a sex change somehow alters DNA.

No-one does that.

Literally nobody. I can assure you, that every transgender person knows fully well that sex is not a social construct.

[Grenartia]

I straight up said I don't understand trans people, so there. As for people with physical differences like the cases you mentioned, I suppose exceptions must be made, but those cases are so rare that they don't really matter on a societal level.

trans people are rare too, no?

really i can never get why if we can get XY females, XX males, X0, XXY, XXXX, etc. people, people with both genitals, no genitals, fucked up beyond recognition genitals, genitals on their foreheads, women born without vaginas and people literally born with no brain why born with the wrong set so completely out of consideration.

Obviously, its all in their sick heads, so they need to fucking get therapy so I don't get tricked by them and get pressured into sleeping with one, because I'm not gay. [/obvious sarcasm]

[The Serbian Empire]

No-one does that.

Literally nobody. I can assure you, that every transgender person knows fully well that sex is not a social construct.

It's a hormonal and genetic factor. Without the hormones there is no chance of passing as a woman.

[Threlizdun]

I got off topic. I'll stop talking about trans people now, but I suppose it's good that people on this thread know where I stand on that particular issue, since there are some few similarities between otherkin and trans people. And I'll leave it at that.

Anyways, yes. Otherkin are mentally ill if they 100% believe they are not human.

To all the people who disagreed with me when I said that otherkin negatively impacts the struggle of the trans community for equality, I offer this nugget of bullshit (underlined for your viewing convenience) as proof that people do in fact conflate otherkin and being trans, and consistently use the ridiculousness of otherkin to deny us our equality.

People do this regardless of whether or not they know otherkin are even a thing. Bigotry stems from already-held prejudices that are justified as they go. It's rather ridiculous to assume that the knowledge about the existence of people identifying as otherkin has ever seriously dissuaded someone from accepting the legitimacy of trans issues when they otherwise would have. If that's all it takes to get a "no" from someone, you weren't going to be getting a "yes" in the first place.

[Oil exporting People]

Aren't "Otherkin" those folks who legitimately believe they're animals or something trapped in Human bodies?

[Threlizdun]

Aren't "Otherkin" those folks who legitimately believe they're animals or something trapped in Human bodies?

The term can encompass that, though generally it applies to people who identify with nonhuman beings for a personal or spiritual reason. While I've certainly heard of a few that fully claim to be what they identify with, all the ones I've met fully acknowledge their humanity, but just feel a connection to whatever they identify with.

[Oil exporting People]

The term can encompass that, though generally it applies to people who identify with nonhuman beings for a personal or spiritual reason. While I've certainly heard of a few that fully claim to be what they identify with, all the ones I've met fully acknowledge their humanity, but just feel a connection to whatever they identify with.

Define this connection, if you would please.