Let me stop you right there. Yes, it fucking is. No matter how much someone wants to say that they're a fucking deer, they aren't one. Gender is a societal concept, species is a biological one.
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by Dyakovo » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:53 pm
by The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:53 pm
Borusenfront wrote:The Serbian Empire wrote:My problem with otherkin is the technology may never come to reach their ideas of being able to transition to another species in the first place. At this point, it's unlikely within my lifetime that one could genetically modify a living being's genetic material from one sex to another (XY to XX or XX to XY).
That may be true. But, atht he end is that important?
if a person want to think he is an animal than what is the problem with that? If the same person wants to marry another animal than also, what is the big deal?
by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:53 pm
Borusenfront wrote:-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:...
They're not another species.
So if they take this idea literal, they can't get a right to marry an animal.
They can marry another person because they;re still Human.
Or they can marry another Otherkin who happens to identify as whatever they are, or is at least an otherkin.
They're rights are not infringed upon.
And yes, I know how that sounds, but in this case its actually correct.
Because...a Gay otherkin can marry the same sex of another Human, or otherkin who thinks they're the same animal, etc.
How do you know they are human? What definies humanity at all? But if we use your premises as true than maybe animals can also get rights as well. I mean, the right to own property if they are consciouss enough.
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by Dyakovo » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:54 pm
Borusenfront wrote:-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:...
They're not another species.
So if they take this idea literal, they can't get a right to marry an animal.
They can marry another person because they;re still Human.
Or they can marry another Otherkin who happens to identify as whatever they are, or is at least an otherkin.
They're rights are not infringed upon.
And yes, I know how that sounds, but in this case its actually correct.
Because...a Gay otherkin can marry the same sex of another Human, or otherkin who thinks they're the same animal, etc.
How do you know they are human? What definies humanity at all? But if we use your premises as true than maybe animals can also get rights as well. I mean, the right to own property if they are consciouss enough.
Modern humans (Homo sapiens, primarily ssp. Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of the hominin clade (or human clade), a branch of the great apes; they are characterized by erect posture and bipedal locomotion, manual dexterity and increased tool use, and a general trend toward larger, more complex brains and societies.[3][4]
Early hominins—particularly the australopithecines, whose brains and anatomy are in many ways more similar to ancestral non-human apes—are less often referred to as "human" than hominins of the genus Homo.[5] Some of the latter used fire, occupied much of Eurasia, and gave rise to [6][7] anatomically modern Homo sapiens in Africa about 200,000 years ago. They began to exhibit evidence of behavioral modernity around 50,000 years ago, and migrated in successive waves to occupy[8] all but the smallest, driest, and coldest lands. In the last 100 years, this has extended to permanently manned bases in Antarctica, on offshore platforms, and to orbiting the Earth.
The spread of humans and their large and increasing population has had a profound impact on large areas of the environment and millions of native species worldwide. Advantages that explain this evolutionary success include a relatively larger brain with a particularly well-developed neocortex, prefrontal cortex and temporal lobes, which enable high levels of abstract reasoning, language, problem solving, sociality, and culture through social learning. Humans use tools to a much higher degree than any other animal, are the only extant species known to build fires and cook their food, as well as the only extant species to clothe themselves and create and use numerous other technologies and arts.
Humans are uniquely adept at utilizing systems of symbolic communication (such as language and art) for self-expression and the exchange of ideas, and for organizing themselves into purposeful groups. Humans create complex social structures composed of many cooperating and competing groups, from families and kinship networks to political states. Social interactions between humans have established an extremely wide variety of values,[9] social norms, and rituals, which together form the basis of human society. Curiosity and the human desire to understand and influence the environment and to explain and manipulate phenomena (or events) has provided the foundation for developing science, philosophy, mythology, religion, anthropology, and numerous other fields of knowledge.
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Suborder: Haplorhini
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: Homo sapiens
by Thalasus » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:55 pm
by Borusenfront » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:58 pm
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:How do I know they're Human?
Perhaps because Humans are the only sapient fucking species on the planet!
Why is this discussion even going on omg!
*Calms Down*
Okay...okay...
Sweety...the only sapient species capable of the same level of communication we know of, is ourselves, Humans.
What defines us? Our Biology does, dear...you can't be a cat if you say you are, you're always Human.
And No...what I'm saying is a premise...it isn't, its a fact.
If another animal is as smart as us, and can communicate that, then that individual, or species deserves the same rights...but the term Human right would be defunct at that point.
by USS Monitor » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:58 pm
by Dyakovo » Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:58 pm
Borusenfront wrote:The Serbian Empire wrote:My problem with otherkin is the technology may never come to reach their ideas of being able to transition to another species in the first place. At this point, it's unlikely within my lifetime that one could genetically modify a living being's genetic material from one sex to another (XY to XX or XX to XY).
That may be true. But, atht he end is that important?
if a person want to think he is annon-human animal than what is the problem with that? If the same person wants to marry anothernon-human animal than also, what is the big deal?
by Reploid Productions » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:01 pm
by Borusenfront » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:02 pm
by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:02 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:*sigh* Gonna go light the mod signal again for this thread. You'd think that, what, three other mods now? having to come in and bash some heads would get the point across about the "All X are Y" type stuff.
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by Borusenfront » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:03 pm
The Serbian Empire wrote:Borusenfront wrote:That may be true. But, atht he end is that important?
if a person want to think he is an animal than what is the problem with that? If the same person wants to marry another animal than also, what is the big deal?
The fact almost all animals (humans being the exception) can't give consent.
by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:03 pm
Borusenfront wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Let me stop you right there. Yes, it fucking is. No matter how much someone wants to say that they're a fucking deer, they aren't one. Gender is a societal concept, species is a biological one.
Tell me please, if some child grew up in the jungle without human contact, also the cases of feral children. How come, they can have human rights yet cannot be applied to other species that are grown up in the jungle? Now, the point is if some specie can give consent maybe we should consider givin them human rights. That will also mean more rights to otherkins.
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by Dyakovo » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:04 pm
Borusenfront wrote:Dyakovo wrote:Let me stop you right there. Yes, it fucking is. No matter how much someone wants to say that they're a fucking deer, they aren't one. Gender is a societal concept, species is a biological one.
Tell me please, if some child grew up in the jungle without human contact, also the cases of feral children. How come, they can have human rights yet cannot be applied to other species that are grown up in the jungle? Now, the point is if some specie can give consent maybe we should consider givin them human rights. That will also mean more rights to otherkins.
by Thalasus » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:06 pm
by Borusenfront » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:06 pm
Dyakovo wrote:The harm is that they aren't. And no, a human should not ever be allowed to marry a non-human animal. They aren't able to consent.
Now if an "otherkin" wants to marry another "otherkin"... Guess what? They fucking already can. They are not being denied any fucking rights.
by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:07 pm
Borusenfront wrote:Dyakovo wrote:The harm is that they aren't. And no, a human should not ever be allowed to marry a non-human animal. They aren't able to consent.
Now if an "otherkin" wants to marry another "otherkin"... Guess what? They fucking already can. They are not being denied any fucking rights.
How is if a person maring an animal hurting you? It the same arguments as with gay marriages. A non-human animal cannot give consent but it surely would not be with the same person if it think it is harming it.
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by Thalasus » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:07 pm
Borusenfront wrote:Dyakovo wrote:The harm is that they aren't. And no, a human should not ever be allowed to marry a non-human animal. They aren't able to consent.
Now if an "otherkin" wants to marry another "otherkin"... Guess what? They fucking already can. They are not being denied any fucking rights.
How is if a person maring an animal hurting you? It the same arguments as with gay marriages. A non-human animal cannot give consent but it surely would not be with the same person if it think it is harming it.
by Borusenfront » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:07 pm
-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Because they're Human...
And can be rehabilitated.
Again...Otherkins already have rights!
by The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:08 pm
Borusenfront wrote:Dyakovo wrote:The harm is that they aren't. And no, a human should not ever be allowed to marry a non-human animal. They aren't able to consent.
Now if an "otherkin" wants to marry another "otherkin"... Guess what? They fucking already can. They are not being denied any fucking rights.
How is if a person maring an animal hurting you? It the same arguments as with gay marriages. A non-human animal cannot give consent but it surely would not be with the same person if it think it is harming it.
by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:09 pm
Borusenfront wrote:-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Because they're Human...
And can be rehabilitated.
Again...Otherkins already have rights!
No, they cannot be rehabilitates, that is the problem with feral children. Also, there is no reason is feral children have human rights while some other species do not.
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by Borusenfront » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:09 pm
The Serbian Empire wrote:Animal cruelty doesn't enter your mind. It hurts the animal, not the otherkin!
by Thalasus » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:09 pm
Borusenfront wrote:-The Unified Earth Governments- wrote:Because they're Human...
And can be rehabilitated.
Again...Otherkins already have rights!
No, they cannot be rehabilitates, that is the problem with feral children. Also, there is no reason is feral children have human rights while some other species do not.
by The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:12 pm
by Dyakovo » Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:12 pm
Borusenfront wrote:Dyakovo wrote:The harm is that they aren't. And no, a human should not ever be allowed to marry a non-human animal. They aren't able to consent.
Now if an "otherkin" wants to marry another "otherkin"... Guess what? They fucking already can. They are not being denied any fucking rights.
How is if a person maring an animal hurting you? It the same arguments as with gay marriages. A non-human animal cannot give consent but it surely would not be with the same person if it think it is harming it.
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