Otherkin

[Borusenfront]

They should also have rights, just like homosexuals and other people.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

They should also have rights, just like homosexuals and other people.

What rights?

[Borusenfront]

They should also have rights, just like homosexuals and other people.

What rights?

What ever they want, I guess they would like to have marriages as different species. So, if gays and other can the otherkins can as well.

[The Serbian Empire]

They should also have rights, just like homosexuals and other people.

What rights can we give otherkin when they're unable to transition to another species because there's no hormone that can just make a person become a cat?

[Borusenfront]

They should also have rights, just like homosexuals and other people.

What rights can we give otherkin when they're unable to transition to another species because there's no hormone that can just make a person become a cat?

What ever they want, I guess they would like to have marriages as different species. So, if gays and other can the otherkins can as well.

[Dyakovo]

That right there? Not what either of the Amerind things you mentioned are.

Ah. SO you know nothing of Amerind spirituality. Grazi.

On the contrary, I actually do.

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The fucking Native Americans are at it again.

/joke

You do realize I'm of Native American descent, right?

You do realize I entirely accept the concept of a spirit animal, right?

You do realize there's a world of fucking difference between having a spirit animal and claiming to /be/ the animal in question, and claiming "species dysphoria" over it, right?

No, he clearly doesn't.

[Dyakovo]

What rights can we give otherkin when they're unable to transition to another species because there's no hormone that can just make a person become a cat?

What ever they want, I guess they would like to have marriages as different species. So, if gays and other can the otherkins can as well.

No. There is no rights that they are lacking.
Species is a biological concept, not a societal one. What needs to be done is for "otherkin" to learn the difference between the two.

[Reploid Productions]

They should also have rights, just like homosexuals and other people.

Do explain how their rights to their hobby/spiritual belief are being infringed on? If somebody wants to get married in a catgirl costume or even a full-on fursuit, what's preventing them from doing so?

[The Serbian Empire]

What rights can we give otherkin when they're unable to transition to another species because there's no hormone that can just make a person become a cat?

What ever they want, I guess they would like to have marriages as different species. So, if gays and other can the otherkins can as well.

Species is the ultimate barrier then you also have genus barriers for most of the otherkin.

[Borusenfront]

What ever they want, I guess they would like to have marriages as different species. So, if gays and other can the otherkins can as well.

No. There is no rights that they are lacking.
Species is a biological concept, not a societal one. What needs to be done is for "otherkin" to learn the difference between the two.

Well, maybe not now but in the course of time when they reached a critical number they might start a human rights campaign. oh, and yes the two are the same in the way it is deviant behaviour and we the majority must tolerate them.

[Dyakovo]

No. There is no rights that they are lacking.
Species is a biological concept, not a societal one. What needs to be done is for "otherkin" to learn the difference between the two.

Well, maybe not now but in the course of time when they reached a critical number they might start a human rights campaign. oh, and yes the two are the same in the way it is deviant behaviour and we the majority must tolerate them.

Species will never stop being a biological concept.

[The Serbian Empire]

Well, maybe not now but in the course of time when they reached a critical number they might start a human rights campaign. oh, and yes the two are the same in the way it is deviant behaviour and we the majority must tolerate them.

Species will never stop being a biological concept.

And since most otherkin aren't elves or Neanderthals which could theoretically be in the same genus, you'd also have the genus to deal with.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

What rights?

What ever they want, I guess they would like to have marriages as different species. So, if gays and other can the otherkins can as well.

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They're not another species.

So if they take this idea literal, they can't get a right to marry an animal.

They can marry another person because they;re still Human.

Or they can marry another Otherkin who happens to identify as whatever they are, or is at least an otherkin.

They're rights are not infringed upon.

And yes, I know how that sounds, but in this case its actually correct.

Because...a Gay otherkin can marry the same sex of another Human, or otherkin who thinks they're the same animal, etc.

[Reploid Productions]

Well, maybe not now but in the course of time when they reached a critical number they might start a human rights campaign. oh, and yes the two are the same in the way it is deviant behaviour and we the majority must tolerate them.

Species will never stop being a biological concept.

Could potentially see an interesting discussion in the merits of genetic modification if the technology advances sufficiently far and human trials ever become a thing. Friend of mine was working on a sci-fi novel idea to that effect ages ago.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

No. There is no rights that they are lacking.
Species is a biological concept, not a societal one. What needs to be done is for "otherkin" to learn the difference between the two.

Well, maybe not now but in the course of time when they reached a critical number they might start a human rights campaign. oh, and yes the two are the same in the way it is deviant behaviour and we the majority must tolerate them.

No, they can't get Human rights because in most cases they already have those rights and if they want right sin regards to otherkin stuff, then those right shave to be based upon what they are.

Canine rights, Equine rights, Cetacean rights, etc.

[Thalasus]

It's clearly a delusion and should be treated as such. No opinion on those who suffer from it, just as I have no opinion on people suffering from other mental illnesses unless I know them.

Still relevant and correct.

[Borusenfront]

Well, maybe not now but in the course of time when they reached a critical number they might start a human rights campaign. oh, and yes the two are the same in the way it is deviant behaviour and we the majority must tolerate them.

Species will never stop being a biological concept.

Well, but this is not the issue of biological concept, it is about the indetity of the people and how they feel. I think there is no big difference when transpeople ask to refer themself according to their spiritual gender and when an otherkin want to be refered as to some other specy. It is the same. So, maybe some otherkin would be offended if he or she will be refered as human, and probably hurt his or her feeling. Otherkin seems to be the next evolutionary step after abolishing gender indentities.

[The Serbian Empire]

Species will never stop being a biological concept.

Could potentially see an interesting discussion in the merits of genetic modification if the technology advances sufficiently far and human trials ever become a thing. Friend of mine was working on a sci-fi novel idea to that effect ages ago.

We'd be able to change such chromosomes for gender a lot sooner than we'd be able to genetically modify someone into a whole different species. But the technology doesn't exist yet.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Species will never stop being a biological concept.

Well, but this is not the issue of biological concept, it is about the indetity of the people and how they feel. I think there is no big difference when transpeople ask to refer themself according to their spiritual gender and when an otherkin want to be refered as to some other specy. It is the same. So, maybe some otherkin would be offended if he or she will be refered as human, and probably hurt his or her feeling. Otherkin seems to be the next evolutionary step after abolishing gender indentities.

Trans issues are legit, it isn't spiritual, or least I haven't seen ta=hat be the case ever.

Some feelings, just need to be hurt, in the case of Otherkin.

Don't like being Human? Sorry, that can't change.

You're born Human, Homo Sapiens, primate...

The most people can do, is they can maybe wait a few generations, were the technology is cheap enough possibly to become an elf or Orc analogue...hopefully thats enough for those people.

But you can't be a Dog, sorry.

[Borusenfront]

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They're not another species.

So if they take this idea literal, they can't get a right to marry an animal.

They can marry another person because they;re still Human.

Or they can marry another Otherkin who happens to identify as whatever they are, or is at least an otherkin.

They're rights are not infringed upon.

And yes, I know how that sounds, but in this case its actually correct.

Because...a Gay otherkin can marry the same sex of another Human, or otherkin who thinks they're the same animal, etc.

How do you know they are human? What definies humanity at all? But if we use your premises as true than maybe animals can also get rights as well. I mean, the right to own property if they are consciouss enough.

[Reploid Productions]

Could potentially see an interesting discussion in the merits of genetic modification if the technology advances sufficiently far and human trials ever become a thing. Friend of mine was working on a sci-fi novel idea to that effect ages ago.

We'd be able to change such chromosomes for gender a lot sooner than we'd be able to genetically modify someone into a whole different species. But the technology doesn't exist yet.

Oh, no doubt. But when/if that technology becomes available, it's an interesting hypothetical. How many members of the furry/Otherkin/therian communities would be willing to take it that far, y'know?

[The Serbian Empire]

Species will never stop being a biological concept.

Well, but this is not the issue of biological concept, it is about the indetity of the people and how they feel. I think there is no big difference when transpeople ask to refer themself according to their spiritual gender and when an otherkin want to be refered as to some other specy. It is the same. So, maybe some otherkin would be offended if he or she will be refered as human, and probably hurt his or her feeling. Otherkin seems to be the next evolutionary step after abolishing gender indentities.

My problem with otherkin is the technology may never come to reach their ideas of being able to transition to another species in the first place. At this point, it's unlikely within my lifetime that one could genetically modify a living being's genetic material from one sex to another (XY to XX or XX to XY).

[Dyakovo]

What ever they want, I guess they would like to have marriages as different species. So, if gays and other can the otherkins can as well.

...

They're not another species.

So if they take this idea literal, they can't get a right to marry an animal.

They can marry another person because they;re still Human.

Or they can marry another Otherkin who happens to identify as whatever they are, or is at least an otherkin.

They're rights are not infringed upon.

And yes, I know how that sounds, but in this case its actually correct.

Because...a Gay otherkin can marry the same sex of another Human, or otherkin who thinks they're the same animal, etc.

Indeed, this. Спасибо.

[The Serbian Empire]

We'd be able to change such chromosomes for gender a lot sooner than we'd be able to genetically modify someone into a whole different species. But the technology doesn't exist yet.

Oh, no doubt. But when/if that technology becomes available, it's an interesting hypothetical. How many members of the furry/Otherkin/therian communities would be willing to take it that far, y'know?

Yeah, and secondly I bet it would be far more expensive than for the transgender to change genders.

[Borusenfront]

My problem with otherkin is the technology may never come to reach their ideas of being able to transition to another species in the first place. At this point, it's unlikely within my lifetime that one could genetically modify a living being's genetic material from one sex to another (XY to XX or XX to XY).

That may be true. But, atht he end is that important?

if a person want to think he is an animal than what is the problem with that? If the same person wants to marry another animal than also, what is the big deal?