Otherkin

[Rikatan]

I was actually taking your post seriously until this part. Whoops, silly me. I forgot it's the famed NS summer.

Did you read the post in its entirety or did you just focus immediately on the "Die furfaggot" part without trying to contextualize?

I did read the post entirely, but I didn't get much out of it.

[Gauthier]

Did you read the post in its entirety or did you just focus immediately on the "Die furfaggot" part without trying to contextualize?

I did read the post entirely, but I didn't get much out of it.

Far as I can tell otherkin aren't starting up some recognition movement so the complaints about them trying to co-opt and mock LGBT struggles sounds more like the latest version of "Die Furfaggot" to me.

[Fremskrittspartiet]

sometimes i try

Today wasn't one of those occasions.

no, because i didn't try

[Dyakovo]

In a thread about otherkin, right after talking about how old the otherkin concept was....

Otherkin *term*. The concept of spiritualistic tutelary deity and identification is completely different. I'd hope you'd know.

I guess not.

That right there? Not what either of the Amerind things you mentioned are.

[Risottia]

I have no idea how a person can be elven-kin and claim to be allergic to iron.

Yeah, that's notoriously silly. Elves are allergic to nickel alloys, that's why they prefer nickel-free silver or mithril jewelry.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Otherkin *term*. The concept of spiritualistic tutelary deity and identification is completely different. I'd hope you'd know.

I guess not.

That right there? Not what either of the Amerind things you mentioned are.

Yeah, what furryism is and what the Spirit Animal Amerind shamanism is, are two different things, very much so. I have nothing against the furry community, but their practices can't compare nor can they be equated to that of Native Americans concerning spirit animals.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

That right there? Not what either of the Amerind things you mentioned are.

Yeah, what furryism is and what the Spirit Animal Amerind shamanism is, are two different things, very much so. I have nothing against the furry community, but their practices can't compare nor can they be equated to that of Native Americans concerning spirit animals.

furryism itself doesn't even have anything to do when considering in account, of otherkin.

Otherkin *term*. The concept of spiritualistic tutelary deity and identification is completely different. I'd hope you'd know.

I guess not.

That right there? Not what either of the Amerind things you mentioned are.

Ah. SO you know nothing of Amerind spirituality. Grazi.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yeah, what furryism is and what the Spirit Animal Amerind shamanism is, are two different things, very much so. I have nothing against the furry community, but their practices can't compare nor can they be equated to that of Native Americans concerning spirit animals.

furryism itself doesn't even have anything to do when considering in account, of otherkin.

On the contrary, according to Wikifur, there is a distinct crossover between Furryism and Otherkin. In fact, some furries identify as Otherkin and vice versa.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

furryism itself doesn't even have anything to do when considering in account, of otherkin.

On the contrary, according to Wikifur, there is a distinct crossover between Furryism and Otherkin. In fact, some furries identify as Otherkin and vice versa.

Key word is even.

There are several people who are furries who aren't otherkins.

I have no idea if this is or isn't actually on topic, so I'm going to cease my conjecture.

[A Shadow Out Of Time]

There are several people who are furries who aren't otherkins.

... aren't the majority of furries like this? I know no otherkin, but know a few furries. The furries kinda balk at the idea of otherkin, so I don't think they identify as otherkin.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

There are several people who are furries who aren't otherkins.

... aren't the majority of furries like this? I know no otherkin, but know a few furries. The furries kinda balk at the idea of otherkin, so I don't think they identify as otherkin.

There's not a lot of statistics on otherkin.

[Big Jim P]

As long as they are not causing actual physical harm, be they furries, otherkin or anything else, how the hell is it anyone elses business?

[Grenartia]

Considering the entire concept was created as a mockery of my community's struggles, its different from the example you gave, where religion has been hijacked.

I thought Otherkin were created because some LotR fans seriously thought they were elves on a spiritual level...

I'm talking about the "I'm a dog/cat/wolf/etc. with 'species dysphoria'" types.

[Grenartia]

Considering the entire concept was created as a mockery of my community's struggles, its different from the example you gave, where religion has been hijacked.

I doubt people even had any idea that the transgender community existed back when they began worshipping Native American religions in America (many of which are based on such a belief) or when stories about werewolves started appearing in Europe. What I understand from your post is basically 'oh no Illuminati' to me.
For thousands of years, people have thought 'oh, I have something in common with [object/animal]' and/or 'I wonder what it would be like to be [object/animal]' intentionally to sabotage you in the future. No other reason.

See my above post.

[Grenartia]

Exactly what I'm trying to say. This massive Illuminati time-traveling conspiracy is nonsensical.

The fucking Native Americans are at it again.

/joke

You do realize I'm of Native American descent, right?

You do realize I entirely accept the concept of a spirit animal, right?

You do realize there's a world of fucking difference between having a spirit animal and claiming to /be/ the animal in question, and claiming "species dysphoria" over it, right?

[Grenartia]

Continuing to use the idea of otherkin and spreading it will only be seen as mockery.

Only if dumblr continues to fuck it up and want people to call them "cub/cubs/cubself". My god are those people tiring.

Finally, something we can fucking agree on.

[Grenartia]

Considering that there wasn't a transgender community as vibrant as we do now and Tumblr wasn't a thing, it's a pretty stupid comparison to make it a mockery. The ideal has been around for centuries, and even now, native Americans pratice "Two spirit" where they are both male and female in terms of identity and religion.

I'm also going to put out that, even as a "otherkin", that I usually don't act like a deer. I identify as a deer, but I'm not going to act like a deer. I'm not going to be asked to be called a deer, it pretty much my own little secret that means somewhat little in my life of charades and games.

Amerind two-spirit is absolutely nothing like otherkin bullshit.

Indeed, and I'm rather fucking insulted that my heritage is being misappropriated in defence of said bullshit.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

The fucking Native Americans are at it again.

/joke

You do realize I'm of Native American descent, right?

And I hope you know I'm mestizo, and I'm making a fucking joke. Learn to take one.

You do realize I entirely accept the concept of a spirit animal, right?

Ok...

When did I say anything about you?

You do realize there's a world of fucking difference between having a spirit animal and claiming to /be/ the animal in question, and claiming "species dysphoria" over it, right?

Oh I'm sorry. Maybe next time specify that your talking about dumblr.

[A Shadow Out Of Time]

I'm talking about the "I'm a dog/cat/wolf/etc. with 'species dysphoria'" types.

As much as a notable quantity of otherkin do try to co-opt our suffering, and as much as a number of reactionary groups use otherkin to mock transgenderism as a sort've baseless reductio ad absurdum, iunno if the claim can be made that otherkin were created as a mockery of us. I think, and I stand free to be corrected, that it evolved as a sort've intense almost religious adjunct to furrydom, and the "species dysphoria" bullshit all came later when transgenderism finally got some air time and a few people outside the trans community and psychiatric circles actually gave proper credence to the notion of gender dysphoria for once, and some Tumblr folk decided to ride our coat-tails, so to speak.

[Grenartia]

You do realize I'm of Native American descent, right?

1. And I hope you know I'm mestizo, and I'm making a fucking joke. Learn to take one.

You do realize I entirely accept the concept of a spirit animal, right?

Ok...

2. When did I say anything about you?

You do realize there's a world of fucking difference between having a spirit animal and claiming to /be/ the animal in question, and claiming "species dysphoria" over it, right?

3. Oh I'm sorry. Maybe next time specify that your talking about dumblr.

1. Learn to make your jokes slightly more obvious so you don't fall victim to Poe's Law.

2. It seemed obvious that you were directing the post at me, given the "the fucking Native Americans are at it again" line, and the posts immediately previous to yours.

3. I didn't think I /had/ to.

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

1. Learn to make your jokes slightly more obvious so you don't fall victim to Poe's Law.

/joke

I'm going to assume that you simply overlooked this, since that seems to be the only logical deduction I can garner, other than you purposely overlooked it, which you probably didn't.

2. It seemed obvious that you were directing the post at me, given the "the fucking Native Americans are at it again" line, and the posts immediately previous to yours.

Not at all.

3. I didn't think I /had/ to.

There's a difference between the reasonable and tumblrites.

Because unlike them, I don't want you calling me deer, or anyone for that matter. It would seem insulting.

[Benuty]

As long as they are not causing actual physical harm, be they furries, otherkin or anything else, how the hell is it anyone elses business?

How exactly would they even manage to cause physical harm?

Otherkin militias?

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

As long as they are not causing actual physical harm, be they furries, otherkin or anything else, how the hell is it anyone elses business?

How exactly would they even manage to cause physical harm?

Otherkin militias?

Attack dogs, i dunno

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

As long as they are not causing actual physical harm, be they furries, otherkin or anything else, how the hell is it anyone elses business?

How exactly would they even manage to cause physical harm?

Otherkin militias?

For all we know, they may have stages a covert takeover.

[Reploid Productions]

As long as they are not causing actual physical harm, be they furries, otherkin or anything else, how the hell is it anyone elses business?

Pretty much my take on it. The ones who get especially loud/obnoxious about it are annoying, to be sure, but then the same could be said of ANY group that has a loud/obnoxious lunatic fringe.