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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:42 am

Threlizdun wrote:I'm a furry [...] will act like a puppy [...] when I'm overwhelmingly happy.

Why do you keep giving me reasons to like you? :hug:
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jul 08, 2015 7:59 am

At the best of times it's silly.
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Lowell Leber
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Postby Lowell Leber » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:29 am

Threlizdun wrote:
Lowell Leber wrote:I must respectfully suggest that if you believed that you lived in the fantasy realms you read about that you would be delusional.

If something doesn't actually negatively impact you or those around you it is ridiculous to describe it as a mental illness. It's a different way of thinking; that's it.


No...it is not living in reality. Why must everyone try and be a special little snowflake? EDIT: It negatively impacts me because people who subscribe to these delusions are less likely to be productive citizens and have families with children. Thus indirectly accelerating the decline of Western Civilization.
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Rikatan
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Postby Rikatan » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:46 am

Lowell Leber wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:If something doesn't actually negatively impact you or those around you it is ridiculous to describe it as a mental illness. It's a different way of thinking; that's it.


No...it is not living in reality. Why must everyone try and be a special little snowflake? EDIT: It negatively impacts me because people who subscribe to these delusions are less likely to be productive citizens and have families with children. Thus indirectly accelerating the decline of Western Civilization.

No offense, but I can like whatever I want and believe in whatever I want. If I want to believe in Christianity or in another Abrahamic religion, I can do that. If I want to believe that I, like I-don't-know-what Native American tribe, am descended from a wolf or some other animal, I can do that. It's not productive, it's not helpful to society, but it probably is fun. I can't really empathize with people that have such beliefs, but I sure know that they wouldn't have them if they wouldn't like to.

And I'm also sure that not everyone with a belief different than the norm is 'trying to be a special snowflake'. If you have a belief it doesn't instantly mean you have it for the show (although you obviously can have one only for the show).

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Postby Threlizdun » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:20 pm

Liriena wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:I'm a furry [...] will act like a puppy [...] when I'm overwhelmingly happy.

Why do you keep giving me reasons to like you? :hug:

Because I'm the Queen of France.
Lowell Leber wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:If something doesn't actually negatively impact you or those around you it is ridiculous to describe it as a mental illness. It's a different way of thinking; that's it.


No...it is not living in reality. Why must everyone try and be a special little snowflake? EDIT: It negatively impacts me because people who subscribe to these delusions are less likely to be productive citizens and have families with children. Thus indirectly accelerating the decline of Western Civilization.
All of us escape reality at some time or another. We daydream, play games, or watch movies. It's healthy to do every once in a while. The fact that it makes us happy actually makes us more productive. Sad and bored people do not make society run smoothly.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:27 pm

Live and let live. I can't profess to fully understand such beliefs but then again a whole bunch of people don't understand me. There's no need to be a douchecanoe about it.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:29 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Live and let live. I can't profess to fully understand such beliefs but then again a whole bunch of people don't understand me. There's no need to be a douchecanoe about it.

My position exactly.
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Postby Liberty and Linguistics » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:39 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Live and let live. I can't profess to fully understand such beliefs but then again a whole bunch of people don't understand me. There's no need to be a douchecanoe about it.


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Postby Fremskrittspartiet » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:43 pm

Otherkin is v often something peeps with some kind of personality disorder use to cope. Also, I could literally not care any less about wheter or not people identify as human or otherkin. Doesn't affect me, so I don't care.
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Postby Skrovishte » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:57 pm

"Identities," are ultimately self-chosen labels, and I don't care in the slightest about which labels people choose to attribute to themselves. Whether someone else thinks that a certain identity is "invalid," or "valid," does not matter.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:59 pm

Fremskrittspartiet wrote:Otherkin is v often something peeps with some kind of personality disorder use to cope. Also, I could literally not care any less about wheter or not people identify as human or otherkin. Doesn't affect me, so I don't care.


Everyone has a personality disorder if you listen to internet cod-psychology.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:12 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
We have all the context we need when botherkin directly compare their bullshit to our struggles. Which only drags us down.

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Die Herrenrasse wrote:I reckon that most otherkins have a few screws loose. Some furries want to fuck animals, but otherkin want to be animals...

Christ...

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Gentleposters, let me be clear: if the point of all this trolling, malicious nicknaming, et cetera is to make this thread become irretrievably shat-upon to the point of locking, it will not work. What WILL happen is that we will move from warnings for rulebreakers, to bannings, as appropriate.

Knock it off. If you can't be civil about it, go play elsewhere.


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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:12 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Fremskrittspartiet wrote:Otherkin is v often something peeps with some kind of personality disorder use to cope. Also, I could literally not care any less about wheter or not people identify as human or otherkin. Doesn't affect me, so I don't care.


Everyone has a personality disorder if you listen to internet cod-psychology.

With some of us having many although most of mine can be tied to neurological problems such as cranial nerve disorder with the trigeminal nerve or high functioning autism, a neuropsychological condition.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:At the best of times it's silly.


At the worst, it directly negatively impacts my community's struggle for equal rights.

Lowell Leber wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:If something doesn't actually negatively impact you or those around you it is ridiculous to describe it as a mental illness. It's a different way of thinking; that's it.


No...it is not living in reality. Why must everyone try and be a special little snowflake? EDIT: It negatively impacts me because people who subscribe to these delusions are less likely to be productive citizens and have families with children. Thus indirectly accelerating the decline of Western Civilization.


To be fair, having children doesn't actually contribute to the decline of Western Civilization.
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Postby Rikatan » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:24 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:At the best of times it's silly.


At the worst, it directly negatively impacts my community's struggle for equal rights.

So do half the things in the world. I'd love to ban religion in the name of human rights. Oh wait. See what's going on there? :P

I am not denying that this is happening, but it's literally useless for you to say it: such a stereotype is not a reason for otherkin people to be considered worse than they actually are (which is basically zero).

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Postby Fremskrittspartiet » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:39 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Fremskrittspartiet wrote:Otherkin is v often something peeps with some kind of personality disorder use to cope. Also, I could literally not care any less about wheter or not people identify as human or otherkin. Doesn't affect me, so I don't care.


Everyone has a personality disorder if you listen to internet cod-psychology.


luckily, internet cod-psychology isn't the most used form for psychology irl.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:40 pm

Rikatan wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
At the worst, it directly negatively impacts my community's struggle for equal rights.

So do half the things in the world. I'd love to ban religion in the name of human rights. Oh wait. See what's going on there? :P

I am not denying that this is happening, but it's literally useless for you to say it: such a stereotype is not a reason for otherkin people to be considered worse than they actually are (which is basically zero).


Considering the entire concept was created as a mockery of my community's struggles, its different from the example you gave, where religion has been hijacked.
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Postby Aelex » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:44 pm

Threlizdun wrote:Because I'm the Queen of France.

Be careful, the 14 Juillet is in less than a week. :p

All of us escape reality at some time or another. We daydream, play games, or watch movies. It's healthy to do every once in a while. The fact that it makes us happy actually makes us more productive. Sad and bored people do not make society run smoothly.

Funny how you're needed to defend the very principe of imagination. It's not like it's basically the very thing which allowed us to graduate from simple monkey to sapient being able to progress both culturally and technologically speaking...
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:44 pm

Meh, they're nerds with too much time on their hands.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:46 pm

Fremskrittspartiet wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Everyone has a personality disorder if you listen to internet cod-psychology.


luckily, internet cod-psychology isn't the most used form for psychology irl.


That is just as well, otherwise you might have something faintly resembling a point.
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Postby Olivaero » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:55 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Rikatan wrote:So do half the things in the world. I'd love to ban religion in the name of human rights. Oh wait. See what's going on there? :P

I am not denying that this is happening, but it's literally useless for you to say it: such a stereotype is not a reason for otherkin people to be considered worse than they actually are (which is basically zero).


Considering the entire concept was created as a mockery of my community's struggles, its different from the example you gave, where religion has been hijacked.

I thought Otherkin were created because some LotR fans seriously thought they were elves on a spiritual level...
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Postby Fremskrittspartiet » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:56 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Fremskrittspartiet wrote:
luckily, internet cod-psychology isn't the most used form for psychology irl.


That is just as well, otherwise you might have something faintly resembling a point.


sometimes i try
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:57 pm

Fremskrittspartiet wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
That is just as well, otherwise you might have something faintly resembling a point.


sometimes i try


Today wasn't one of those occasions.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:07 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Rikatan wrote:So do half the things in the world. I'd love to ban religion in the name of human rights. Oh wait. See what's going on there? :P

I am not denying that this is happening, but it's literally useless for you to say it: such a stereotype is not a reason for otherkin people to be considered worse than they actually are (which is basically zero).


Considering the entire concept was created as a mockery of my community's struggles, its different from the example you gave, where religion has been hijacked.

No one I have met rl, who played otherkin ever did it in the slightest relation to trans. The folks who I know who do it would compare it to cosplay, more than anything else.
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Postby Rikatan » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:13 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Rikatan wrote:So do half the things in the world. I'd love to ban religion in the name of human rights. Oh wait. See what's going on there? :P

I am not denying that this is happening, but it's literally useless for you to say it: such a stereotype is not a reason for otherkin people to be considered worse than they actually are (which is basically zero).


Considering the entire concept was created as a mockery of my community's struggles, its different from the example you gave, where religion has been hijacked.

I doubt people even had any idea that the transgender community existed back when they began worshipping Native American religions in America (many of which are based on such a belief) or when stories about werewolves started appearing in Europe. What I understand from your post is basically 'oh no Illuminati' to me.
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