Otherkin

[Aidannadia]

Sure, but you can get offended by anything without context.

But there is nothign stopping a trans person from being just as incapable of understanding something as a cis person.

In which case yeah, if people use it to mock trans people, they're also stupid and don't know what its meant to poke fun at.

We have all the context we need when botherkin directly compare their bullshit to our struggles. Which only drags us down.

Agreed to an extent. I don't hold any animosity towards otherkin, yet I feel like they shouldn't try to latch themselves onto the trans movement. It's really just a spiritual thing and although... I suppose you could call it an "identity" it really is a separate issues from trans issues and overrall just needs to be kept in a separate movement.

[Grenartia]

We have all the context we need when botherkin directly compare their bullshit to our struggles. Which only drags us down.

I feel ya, I sorta have a similar issue with the ablism thingy.

Yeah, that transabled dumbfuckery? I totally feel you there.

[USS Monitor]

I feel ya, I sorta have a similar issue with the ablism thingy.

Yeah, that transabled dumbfuckery? I totally feel you there.

"Transabled"? Wow, the 21st century is weird.

[Grenartia]

Yeah, that transabled dumbfuckery? I totally feel you there.

"Transabled"? Wow, the 21st century is weird.

Meh, the pros outweigh the cons, for the most part.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

I feel ya, I sorta have a similar issue with the ablism thingy.

Yeah, that transabled dumbfuckery? I totally feel you there.

Well, that angers me too, but I mean Abelism.

You know, the idea that disabled people need to be coddled with kids gloves.

I didn't work my way in life just so everything can be handed to me, I mean sure it still is, but I did some work myself, and at least I tried to become a part of society.

:Grumbles:

[Die Herrenrasse]

I reckon that most otherkins have a few screws loose. Some furries want to fuck animals, but otherkin want to be animals...

Christ...

[USS Monitor]

"Transabled"? Wow, the 21st century is weird.

Meh, the pros outweigh the cons, for the most part.

Yes, there are some good parts. I love the way they build gun turrets, and modern metallurgy is pretty amazing.

[Threlizdun]

Most just identify on a spiritual or symbolic level with other species or mythical beings, so it's generally harmless and nice if it helps people feel more secure in themselves. I definitely understand on some level considering I'm a furry and have puppy and little sides. I hold no illusions that I'm a different species or a different age, though I feel connected to weasels on a personal level and will act like a puppy or little girl either as a defense mechanism in stressful situations or when I'm overwhelmingly happy. My fursona is just an idealized version of myself, being far more confident, assertive, and playful. I'm really happy that those are aspects of my personality, and can't think of any instances where it has actually harmed me. Otherkin, furries, pets, littles, ferals, and the like just have different ways of identifying than normal, and I can't really see any problems of it in and of itself. If someone actually genuinely believed they were biologically a different species and ended up hurting themselves as a result, that would be an issue, but I've honestly only heard of a handful of such instances in my life, and they reflect underlying mental issues, rather than just a subculture.

[Sam Hyde]

I reckon that most otherkins have a few screws loose. Some furries want to fuck animals, but otherkin want to be animals...

Christ...

catty style

[Lowell Leber]

It's clearly a delusion and should be treated as such. No opinion on those who suffer from it, just as I have no opinion on people suffering from other mental illnesses unless I know them.

Really dude? You're going there? We gonna go and classify the rest of escapist fantasy as a mental illness too? Oh noes, I like to read fantasy novels and daydream about living in those fictional settings! Clearly I am delusional and need mental help!!

I must respectfully suggest that if you believed that you lived in the fantasy realms you read about that you would be delusional.

[Threlizdun]

Really dude? You're going there? We gonna go and classify the rest of escapist fantasy as a mental illness too? Oh noes, I like to read fantasy novels and daydream about living in those fictional settings! Clearly I am delusional and need mental help!!

I must respectfully suggest that if you believed that you lived in the fantasy realms you read about that you would be delusional.

If something doesn't actually negatively impact you or those around you it is ridiculous to describe it as a mental illness. It's a different way of thinking; that's it.

[Neragua]

I think it's a socio-psychological phenomenon

Undoubtedly, some people will claim to be 'otherkin' for its own sake but then there will be a substantial minority who, through genuine belief or deluding themselves long enough that the lie becomes the truth, will have a genuine delusion that they're 'otherkin'.

For many, it'll be tied to issues of dissatisfaction and escapist fantasies from their mundane lives. Unfortunately, our brains can be so good at imaging that it can convince itself the imagined is real and the real is imagined.

These widespread cultural delusions are common, though: from the 15th century to the 17th century, some people sincerely thought they were made of glass (most notably Charles VI of France, or Charles "the Mad"). Then there's the "hysteria" of the 19th century. All completely imagined, all completely physically harmless but significant enough to be worthy of public note.

[United Regions of Verona]

I can understand transsexuals and their fight to be the gender they feel inside, but seriously, other Kin?

"Mom, dad, I need to tell you something..."

"Is it that you are gay, Timmy?"We love you and will support you,"

"No mom... I'm... I'm... IM A BULL!"

But seriously, who would want to give up being a human? It's like winning the lottery and handing back the ticket.

Who got dat OITNB reference?

[Grenartia]

I think it's a socio-psychological phenomenon

Undoubtedly, some people will claim to be 'otherkin' for its own sake but then there will be a substantial minority who, through genuine belief or deluding themselves long enough that the lie becomes the truth, will have a genuine delusion that they're 'otherkin'.

For many, it'll be tied to issues of dissatisfaction and escapist fantasies from their mundane lives. Unfortunately, our brains can be so good at imaging that it can convince itself the imagined is real and the real is imagined.

These widespread cultural delusions are common, though: from the 15th century to the 17th century, some people sincerely thought they were made of glass (most notably Charles VI of France, or Charles "the Mad"). Then there's the "hysteria" of the 19th century. All completely imagined, all completely physically harmless but significant enough to be worthy of public note.

IIRC, hysteria was just pent-up sexual frustration, because women weren't really encouraged to have orgasms back then. Not really "completely imagined" so much as easily treated and easily prevented.

[Gauthier]

I can understand transsexuals and their fight to be the gender they feel inside, but seriously, other Kin?

"Mom, dad, I need to tell you something..."

"Is it that you are gay, Timmy?"We love you and will support you,"

"No mom... I'm... I'm... IM A BULL!"

But seriously, who would want to give up being a human? It's like winning the lottery and handing back the ticket.

Who got dat OITNB reference?

For them, it's like winning Shirley Jackson's Lottery. As long as they're not trying to claim actual legal rights (which is ridiculous) then who cares? It's spiritual and you don't see a Furry Rights Movement going on. Just leave them alone before they think starting one becomes necessary.

[USS Monitor]

But seriously, who would want to give up being a human? It's like winning the lottery and handing back the ticket.

Why would I want to be human? I got shot by the Virginia lots of times and I was fine. My captain got hit by one shell and he was crippled for life. I would hate to be so fragile.

[Gauthier]

But seriously, who would want to give up being a human? It's like winning the lottery and handing back the ticket.

Why would I want to be human? I got shot by the Virginia lots of times and I was fine. My captain got hit by one shell and he was crippled for life. I would hate to be so fragile.

Sooo... how was Cape Hatteras?

[The Alexanderians]

But seriously, who would want to give up being a human? It's like winning the lottery and handing back the ticket.

Why would I want to be human? I got shot by the Virginia lots of times and I was fine. My captain got hit by one shell and he was crippled for life. I would hate to be so fragile.

Ah but what about walking on land? Seeing the grand sights of the country you served first hand?

[USS Monitor]

Why would I want to be human? I got shot by the Virginia lots of times and I was fine. My captain got hit by one shell and he was crippled for life. I would hate to be so fragile.

Sooo... how was Cape Hatteras?

The weather was awful! Totally ruined my trip.

[USS Monitor]

Why would I want to be human? I got shot by the Virginia lots of times and I was fine. My captain got hit by one shell and he was crippled for life. I would hate to be so fragile.

Ah but what about walking on land? Seeing the grand sights of the country you served first hand?

The beach and New York City are the best parts anyway, right? That's where everyone goes on vacation.

[Zakuvia]

I'd just be an 'edgy Kinster' and say that I'm not human, I just identify as a human.

The problem with SOME people with this hobby is that they think it's more than just a hobby, due to attention seeking behavior patterns. At that point, yes, it is pathological. But, I wouldn't even call a Furry pathological if, at any point in time, they could take off the mascot outfit and say, 'yeah, it's just a hobby', and go about their day. We wouldn't say a Trekkie 'identifies' as a Klingon, even if they had a full-bore Klingon wedding. We'd say they might be overobsessed hobbyists, but nothing necessarily psychologically damaged.

The big problem with this otherkin business is that it runs into legal issues if someone says they want to marry their cat because they 'identify' as a puma. It's a slippery slope, because a lot of lay people don't understand the psychology behind LGBT behaviors and think that it's just a slippery slope before we really are a society that doubles as an Aristocrats joke.

[USS Monitor]

I'd just be an 'edgy Kinster' and say that I'm not human, I just identify as a human.

The problem with SOME people with this hobby is that they think it's more than just a hobby, due to attention seeking behavior patterns. At that point, yes, it is pathological. But, I wouldn't even call a Furry pathological if, at any point in time, they could take off the mascot outfit and say, 'yeah, it's just a hobby', and go about their day. We wouldn't say a Trekkie 'identifies' as a Klingon, even if they had a full-bore Klingon wedding. We'd say they might be overobsessed hobbyists, but nothing necessarily psychologically damaged.

The big problem with this otherkin business is that it runs into legal issues if someone says they want to marry their cat because they 'identify' as a puma. It's a slippery slope, because a lot of lay people don't understand the psychology behind LGBT behaviors and think that it's just a slippery slope before we really are a society that doubles as an Aristocrats joke.

I don't see the legal issue with marriages. A marriage between a puma and a cat would not get any more legal recognition than a marriage between a human and a cat.

The problem arises when it comes to criminal law since animals can't be charged with crimes, and it is legal to do things to animals that would be crimes if you did the same thing to a person.

[The Blaatschapen]

Locked again.

I just might be able to trawl the last two pages in my lunch break, but other mods are more than welcome beforehand (or after, if I could not get around to it).

The Blaatschapen - Nationstates Moderator

[Katganistan]

Sure, but you can get offended by anything without context.

But there is nothign stopping a trans person from being just as incapable of understanding something as a cis person.

In which case yeah, if people use it to mock trans people, they're also stupid and don't know what its meant to poke fun at.

We have all the context we need when botherkin directly compare their bullshit to our struggles. Which only drags us down.

*** Warned for trolling/malicious nicknaming ***

I reckon that most otherkins have a few screws loose. Some furries want to fuck animals, but otherkin want to be animals...

Christ...

*** Warned for trolling ***

Gentleposters, let me be clear: if the point of all this trolling, malicious nicknaming, et cetera is to make this thread become irretrievably shat-upon to the point of locking, it will not work. What WILL happen is that we will move from warnings for rulebreakers, to bannings, as appropriate.

Knock it off. If you can't be civil about it, go play elsewhere.

[Calimera II]

Let's just say it's extremely ''silly.''