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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:16 pm

The world is full of wyverns, elves, and human toasters walking amongst us. That is the world according to otherkin. This topic entered my mind involving the idea of species dysphoria as it occasionally involves species like elves or dragons that never existed in real life in the first place. So NSG, what's your opinion on the topic of otherkin?

My opinion is sort of mixed as I can see identifying as a species that actually exists in real life or the fossil records, but I have no idea how a person can be elven-kin and claim to be allergic to iron.
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Postby San Eulogio » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:20 pm

Meh, anything from Tumblr shouldn't be trusted.
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Postby Vinlantia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:22 pm

Can one really identify as anything? Is there any sense in it?
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Postby Talvezout » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:22 pm

San Eulogio wrote:Meh, anything from Tumblr shouldn't be trusted.


The idea of otherkin is older however...

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Postby Reploid Productions » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:22 pm

Eh, like any other hobby, escapist fantasy, or spiritual system, there's always going to be some people who take it way too far, and plenty of other people who are sane and reasonable about it.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:26 pm

San Eulogio wrote:Meh, anything from Tumblr shouldn't be trusted.

The origins of them on the internet predate Tumblr by over a decade. The Elfinkind Digest was started on USENET by a University of Kentucky student back in 1990. That was meant for elves (otherkin identifying as elves) and people interested in mythology of elves.
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:27 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
San Eulogio wrote:Meh, anything from Tumblr shouldn't be trusted.

The origins of them on the internet predate Tumblr by over a decade. The Elfinkind Digest was started on USENET by a University of Kentucky student back in 1990. That was meant for elves (otherkin identifying as elves) and people interested in mythology of elves.

I don't think otherkin even have much of a presence on tumblr.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:28 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:Eh, like any other hobby, escapist fantasy, or spiritual system, there's always going to be some people who take it way too far, and plenty of other people who are sane and reasonable about it.

That is one of my things I was going to say. Some of them are a lot more reasonable as they may identify as a cat or a wolf. Creatures that are easily envisioned or even seen on a daily basis if it's cats. A toaster-kin on the other hand is a bit harder to grasp ahold of as it never was animate to begin with.
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Postby Kalosia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:29 pm

Isn't there a concept called two-spirit or something from a Native American tribe?

But regardless, I see it as different than gender/sexual identities so I wouldn't treat it the same way. Not that I know much about it despite the amount of time I dwell in it each day
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:30 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:The origins of them on the internet predate Tumblr by over a decade. The Elfinkind Digest was started on USENET by a University of Kentucky student back in 1990. That was meant for elves (otherkin identifying as elves) and people interested in mythology of elves.

I don't think otherkin even have much of a presence on tumblr.

But they sure make a lot of appearances on the subreddit TumblrInAction.
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Postby Thanatttynia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:30 pm

It's clearly a delusion and should be treated as such. No opinion on those who suffer from it, just as I have no opinion on people suffering from other mental illnesses unless I know them.
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Postby Fanosolia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:31 pm

an interesting belief? yes. Any reason to act like they're on the same level as trans or other groups systematically oppressed? No.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:31 pm

Kalosia wrote:Isn't there a concept called two-spirit or something from a Native American tribe?

But regardless, I see it as different than gender/sexual identities so I wouldn't treat it the same way. Not that I know much about it despite the amount of time I dwell in it each day

Yes, there is. I understand that although Native Americans used animate creatures and not fictional works like dragon-kin or vampire-kin.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:35 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:It's clearly a delusion and should be treated as such. No opinion on those who suffer from it, just as I have no opinion on people suffering from other mental illnesses unless I know them.

Really dude? You're going there? :eyebrow: We gonna go and classify the rest of escapist fantasy as a mental illness too? Oh noes, I like to read fantasy novels and daydream about living in those fictional settings! Clearly I am delusional and need mental help!!
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Postby Dominated Earth » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:35 pm

You wanna be a cat, knock yourself out. Just don't cause trouble.
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Postby Arumdaum » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:37 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Kalosia wrote:Isn't there a concept called two-spirit or something from a Native American tribe?

But regardless, I see it as different than gender/sexual identities so I wouldn't treat it the same way. Not that I know much about it despite the amount of time I dwell in it each day

Yes, there is. I understand that although Native Americans used animate creatures and not fictional works like dragon-kin or vampire-kin.

Two-spirit is about gender, not identifying as an animal.
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:37 pm

Thanatttynia wrote:It's clearly a delusion and should be treated as such. No opinion on those who suffer from it, just as I have no opinion on people suffering from other mental illnesses unless I know them.

This coming from a mental health official, schooled in the details and knowledgeable from experience in the matter and/or cases at hand? No? Regardless.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:38 pm

Dominated Earth wrote:You wanna be a cat, knock yourself out. Just don't cause trouble.

Now how does one become a dragon without hoarding gemstones or burning villages down?
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Postby Thanatttynia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:43 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Thanatttynia wrote:It's clearly a delusion and should be treated as such. No opinion on those who suffer from it, just as I have no opinion on people suffering from other mental illnesses unless I know them.

Really dude? You're going there? :eyebrow: We gonna go and classify the rest of escapist fantasy as a mental illness too? Oh noes, I like to read fantasy novels and daydream about living in those fictional settings! Clearly I am delusional and need mental help!!

I deeply apologise, it was never my intention to cause offence to anyone. I'll take my warning on the chin, but how is believing yourself to be something you're clearly not anything other than a delusion?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:45 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Yes, there is. I understand that although Native Americans used animate creatures and not fictional works like dragon-kin or vampire-kin.

Two-spirit is about gender, not identifying as an animal.

I should have known better given my heritage. In fact, some professions often involving prophecy or naming of individuals in certain tribes could only be held by those who are two-spirit.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:45 pm

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Dominated Earth wrote:You wanna be a cat, knock yourself out. Just don't cause trouble.

Now how does one become a dragon without hoarding gemstones or burning villages down?


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Postby Aeken » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:48 pm

I'm entirely unsure how people come to the conclusion that they are Otherkin. The idea of identifying as a different species, and especially fictional species seems extremely odd.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:49 pm

Gauthier wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Now how does one become a dragon without hoarding gemstones or burning villages down?


Horde gemstones and burn villages down the modern way: Through owning multinational corporations.

This might be one of the best quotes I've ever seen. The shame is that I'm the setup man for this one in the quote tree.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:51 pm

I always thought it was created by trolls to make fun of the transgender community but then I met one......

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:54 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:I always thought it was created by trolls to make fun of the transgender community but then I met one......


You also have some furries, who were probably one of the first.
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