Dating outside of your ethnicity

[Redsection]

Ahh, I see your one of those people who try and deter others when you know that i am right,you point out minor errors and are to lazy to find anything on your own,

So basically you don't know how debates work.

Like an child who pulls at his mothers apron.

At least children know when to correctly use "an" verses "a."

Here you are, There are many others as well from the chineese goverment and from others.
(http://www.dailystormer.com/the-out-of- ... -debunked/)

I asked for research, not a blog.

I mean, if you're going to post a blog, post one that doesn't make you an even bigger joke by showing that you take blatantly racist blogs seriously.

Nothing more than an grammer nazi,and an petty liberal. You beleive there is no race , then that means there is no such thing as racism yet you are here defending something that according to you can not be,perhaps your the joke. You have no right to judge me,Not to mention ive had the dna diagnostics. Find an official document yourself, your not that childish are you.This whole africa theroy is about as terrible as the string theroy.

[Mavorpen]

I'm only assuming evolution working.

Can you stay on track, please? I thought we were talking about culture.

The characteristic differences of ethnicities have arisen from the populations being in different environments and adapting to them, for example "as populations migrated away from the tropics between 125,000 and 65,000 years ago into areas of low UV radiation,[8] they developed light skin pigmentation as an evolutionary selection acting against vitamin D depletion."

What?

Getting around the globe in less than 24h hasn't been possible for long, and if everybody starts living in similar urban sprawls, the selection pressures will be similar, leading to one ethnicity.

Why the fuck are you talking about ethnicity and evolution when ethnicity has nothing to do with biology?

There has been migrations before, resulting in the assimilation and mixing of the smaller group. It has never been possible on this scale and this speed.

And?

[Mavorpen]

Nothing more than an grammer nazi,and an petty liberal.

Seriously, I find it absolutely hilarious how someone can act condescending while using terrible grammar.

You beleive there is no race ,

Because there isn't.

then that means there is no such thing as racism

Damn, you got me there. Whom must I thank on Stormfront for gifting you this wisdom?

yet you are here defending something that according to you can not be,perhaps your the joke.

Again, how can you even expect me to take even your passive aggressive personal attacks seriously when you do shit like this?

You have no right to judge me,

Of course I do.

Not to mention ive had the dna diagnostics.

Suuure you have.

Find an official document yourself, your not that childish are you.This whole africa theroy is about as terrible as the string theroy.

I highly doubt you understand string theory.

[BK117B2]

Isn't it quite obvious?

No. It requires a whole host of assumptions that seem more likely to happen in a generic movie about a dystopian future.

Before there were vast geographical and cultural distances that hindered completely free mixing.

There was no significant period in which this is true. Migration has been constant and retracing backwards has also been constant as well.

Removing those, what is there to cause different ethnicities to form at all? It is just a matter of time.

Again, you sound like you're lifting this stuff from the summary of a bad future sci-fi movie. Do you have any actual evidence based reasoning for this, or should I continue to consider this the equivalent to the ramblings of a random old guy on a street who screams "THE END COMETH!" when you pass by?

Actually, that's one of the few things they got correct. For the vast majority of human history, people were limited to the speed that their own feet would carry them and to the supplies they could find or carry. This led to many isolated populations. Even until recent human history, a very large portion of the population spend their lives within a distance of their birth places which to many of us is just a daily commute.

[The Cobalt Sky]

The neanderthals are gone as an ethnic group,

Let me stop you right there. Neanderthals are a species of human, not an ethnic group.

[Nordenkalt]

I would, I prefer my own ethnicity (white) but I wouldn't mind being with someone of a different race.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Different species then, or whatever you want to call it, it's semantics.

No, it's not, you have no idea what you're talking about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
Neanderthals have a difference in DNA of 0.12%, in other words THEY ARE NOT TOTALLY HUMAN. That's a pretty big difference than just having different values or language or whatever.

[Greater Fennoscandia]

Different species then, or whatever you want to call it, it's semantics.

Well, yes. Why do people say that like it's a bad thing?

Species in biology is quite a fluid concept,

Not really.

such as are sub-species, races and ethnicities.

Lmfao no. Race and ethnicity aren't actual biologic concepts. Race is pseudoscientific garbage and ethnicity is only useful from a cultural and therefore sociological perspective.

We all came from a self replicating molecule that evolved to different ecological niches after all.

...K?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem

Different species can sometimes produce viable hybrid offspring. Would this mean the lion and tiger are the same species?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species
Is an interesting example of the fluidity of the concept of species.

Isn't ethnicity just the PC word for race? Also just because a specific human being is multi-ethnic or mixed race, doesn't mean races or ethnicities don't exist or are a useful concept. You can say things x,y and z are traits which are more prevalent to this specific race, and a, b and c traits which are prevalent in another race. Just because a person might have traits x and b, doesn't mean that a specific group of traits can't be called a race.

And yes, it is pseudoscientific, biologists use sub-species. But again, the concept is not set in stone.

Also about neanderthals, they were a different species or sub-species of human but could still procreate with us.

edit: fixed a clear typo

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

I always have the feeling that somehow in the far future Chinese culture will disappear/ morph into unrecognizable so I usually date Chinese who aren't really "Americanized".

[The Cobalt Sky]

Isn't it quite obvious? Before there were vast geographical and cultural distances that hindered completely free mixing. Removing those, what is there to cause different ethnicities to form at all? It is just a matter of time.

People not thinking like monoliths, not all people having free movement (examples being the poor and the disadvantaged), people holding on to multiple cultural heritages simultaneously, new cultural heritages emerging as groups of people share experiences, ect.

[Redsection]

Nothing more than an grammer nazi,and an petty liberal.

Seriously, I find it absolutely hilarious how someone can act condescending while using terrible grammar.

You beleive there is no race ,

Because there isn't.

then that means there is no such thing as racism

Damn, you got me there. Whom must I thank on Stormfront for gifting you this wisdom?

yet you are here defending something that according to you can not be,perhaps your the joke.

Again, how can you even expect me to take even your passive aggressive personal attacks seriously when you do shit like this?

You have no right to judge me,

Of course I do.

Not to mention ive had the dna diagnostics.

Suuure you have.

Find an official document yourself, your not that childish are you.This whole africa theroy is about as terrible as the string theroy.

I highly doubt you understand string theory.

Ahh,but who is the better person. The person who yells fuck every time they dissaprove, or the person who acts like an civil and proper human being. I see that your african american,as your signature states.Perhaps your an black supremist. Speaking of string theroy it's about as solid as an piece of swiss cheese. Quantum pysics is the correct path.Your entitled to your petty beleif while i'm entitled to my petty belief. You say my ideals are false,then your's are false to me. I shalln't argue with an grammer nazi and extremist.

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Burning Aquila out.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Isn't ethnicity just the PC word for race?

No. If that were the case, then there wouldn't simultaneously be African Americans and European Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and so on. American is an ethnicity, which all races can share.
This is kind of a good example as for distinction between the two:
"A group of people identified as distinct from other groups because of supposed physical or genetic traits shared by the group. Most biologists and anthropologists do not recognize race as a biologically valid classification, in part because there is more genetic variation within groups than between them." (race) http://www.thefreedictionary.com/race
"an ethnic group; a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like: "
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethnicity

[Mavorpen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_problem

Different species can sometimes produce viable hybrid offspring.

Yes.

Would this mean the lion and tiger are the same species?

No. I know you think what you're doing is clever, but it isn't. Species isn't "fluid." It's well defined. It's also not perfect and is continuously evolving because life is not well organized. It's messy and doesn't care about what's convenient or not for us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species
Is an interesting example of the fluidity of the concept of species.

You keep using that word, but it's not applicable. At best it's slightly malleable.

Isn't ethnicity just the PC word for race?

No.

Also just because a specific human being is multi-ethnic or mixed race, doesn't mean races or ethnicities don't exist or are a useful concept.

I never said anything about mixed race. Races don't exist and it isn't a useful concept in science. It's pseudoscience. It's garbage.

You can say things x,y and z are traits which are more prevalent to this specific race, and a,b and c traits which are prevalent in another race.

Um. Yeah. That's what a fucking average is. If you arbitrarily (race IS arbitrary from a scientific standpoint) designate one group filled with a variety of people as separate from another, of course you're going to get different averages. That's circular logic.

Just because a person might have traits x and b, doesn't mean that a specific group of traits can be called a race.

Actually that means that race is gibberish and isn't a valid taxonomic system.

And yes, it is pseudoscientific, biologists use sub-species. But again, the concept is not set in stone.

You act like that matters.

Also about neanderthals, they were a different species or sub-species of human but could still procreate with us.

K.

[Reploid Productions]

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[Britannic North America]

Honestly, what I'm annoyed about is this assertion that, somehow, you aren't "preserving your lineage" by marrying someone of a different ethnicity.

Say you're a Finn. You marry a girl from Vietnam, and you have a kid with her. You raise this kid in Finland. He grows up speaking Finnish and, most likely, identifying as being Finnish. So...where's the problem? The kid speaks Finnish, identifies as a Finn, celebrates Finn holidays, etc. etc. ...So where's the part where his mom being Vietnamese matters? Is he not Finnish because his eyes are slanted, or his skin isn't a perfectly European shade of white? I don't get where in this process your "lineage isn't preserved", unless you are asserting that because he's part Asian, he isn't Finnish, at which point your argument that you aren't racist falls flat.

[Greater Fennoscandia]

Honestly, what I'm annoyed about is this assertion that, somehow, you aren't "preserving your lineage" by marrying someone of a different ethnicity.

Say you're a Finn. You marry a girl from Vietnam, and you have a kid with her. You raise this kid in Finland. He grows up speaking Finnish and, most likely, identifying as being Finnish. So...where's the problem? The kid speaks Finnish, identifies as a Finn, celebrates Finn holidays, etc. etc. ...So where's the part where his mom being Vietnamese matters? Is he not Finnish because his eyes are slanted, or his skin isn't a perfectly European shade of white? I don't get where in this process your "lineage isn't preserved".

He would be half finnish, half vietnamese, nothing wrong with that.
Now take all finnish people and mate them with vietnamese. Finnish people as a racial group would cease to exist as a distinct separate group.
We would have a people that are finnish-vietnamese. Now do this with every other group in the globe. No distinct groups left.

[Mavorpen]

Honestly, what I'm annoyed about is this assertion that, somehow, you aren't "preserving your lineage" by marrying someone of a different ethnicity.

Say you're a Finn. You marry a girl from Vietnam, and you have a kid with her. You raise this kid in Finland. He grows up speaking Finnish and, most likely, identifying as being Finnish. So...where's the problem? The kid speaks Finnish, identifies as a Finn, celebrates Finn holidays, etc. etc. ...So where's the part where his mom being Vietnamese matters? Is he not Finnish because his eyes are slanted, or his skin isn't a perfectly European shade of white? I don't get where in this process your "lineage isn't preserved".

He would be half finnish, half vietnamese, nothing wrong with that.
Now take all finnish people and mate them with vietnamese. Finnish people as a racial group would cease to exist as a distinct separate group.
We would have a people that are finnish-vietnamese. Now do this with every other group in the globe. No distinct groups left.

How is that not a distinct group...? You do know that genetic variety will always be present as long as there is random mating, right?

[Britannic North America]

Honestly, what I'm annoyed about is this assertion that, somehow, you aren't "preserving your lineage" by marrying someone of a different ethnicity.

Say you're a Finn. You marry a girl from Vietnam, and you have a kid with her. You raise this kid in Finland. He grows up speaking Finnish and, most likely, identifying as being Finnish. So...where's the problem? The kid speaks Finnish, identifies as a Finn, celebrates Finn holidays, etc. etc. ...So where's the part where his mom being Vietnamese matters? Is he not Finnish because his eyes are slanted, or his skin isn't a perfectly European shade of white? I don't get where in this process your "lineage isn't preserved".

He would be half finnish, half vietnamese, nothing wrong with that.
Now take all finnish people and mate them with vietnamese. Finnish people as a racial group would cease to exist as a distinct separate group.
We would have a people that are finnish-vietnamese. Now do this with every other group in the globe. No distinct groups left.

By your assertions, all of the white people in a place like, say, South Africa should all be multiracial Coloureds by now. Yet they aren't, and in fact they still make up a larger percentage of South Africa's population than the Coloureds do.

Of course, even the South African Coloureds themselves are a great testament as to why your idea that there would be "No distinct groups left" is bunk. They're all Coloured, but there are still distinct differences between them due to inter-ethnic breeding between different European and African ethnicities.

Another great example is the Metis of Canada. A new, distinct culture rose from inter-ethnic breeding between whites and natives. Hell, there's even significant differences between French and English speaking Metis.

[The Conez Imperium]

Yeah sure, as long as I found the opposite sex attractive enough why not?

[Grinning Dragon]

Why yes, yes I have dated women outside of my ethnicity.

[Greater Fennoscandia]

He would be half finnish, half vietnamese, nothing wrong with that.
Now take all finnish people and mate them with vietnamese. Finnish people as a racial group would cease to exist as a distinct separate group.
We would have a people that are finnish-vietnamese. Now do this with every other group in the globe. No distinct groups left.

By your assertions, all of the white people in a place like, say, South Africa should all be multiracial Coloureds by now. Yet they aren't, and in fact they still make up a larger percentage of South Africa's population than the Coloureds do.

Of course, even the South African Coloureds themselves are a great testament as to why your idea that there would be "No distinct groups left" is bunk. They're all Coloured, but there are still distinct differences between them due to inter-ethnic breeding between different European and African ethnicities.

It was under the assumption that the mixing would be total and complete.
This is not however the case in south africa, as the whites don't freely intermingle with the blacks, and actually live in gated communities procreating with other whites. If they did, there would only be Coloureds and black people and after a while only black people with a hint of european ancestry, or I guess they would be Coloureds. But as the blacks vastly outnumber the whites and procreate at a much larger pace, it would be like a drop in a bucket.

Neanderthals don't exist anymore because they fully intermingled with homo sapiens and got assimilated. Probably because homo sapiens outnumbered them and procreated more, just like what is happening in south africa now, and will happen in formerly white countries if the flow of immigrants and asylum seekers continue. Sweden already has 26% of its population immigrants or children of immigrants. There are neighborhoods where the police won't go because the people living there will throw rocks and molotovs. This is a new development which could be a coincidence I guess.

[Mostrov]

Honestly, what I'm annoyed about is this assertion that, somehow, you aren't "preserving your lineage" by marrying someone of a different ethnicity.

Say you're a Finn. You marry a girl from Vietnam, and you have a kid with her. You raise this kid in Finland. He grows up speaking Finnish and, most likely, identifying as being Finnish. So...where's the problem? The kid speaks Finnish, identifies as a Finn, celebrates Finn holidays, etc. etc. ...So where's the part where his mom being Vietnamese matters? Is he not Finnish because his eyes are slanted, or his skin isn't a perfectly European shade of white? I don't get where in this process your "lineage isn't preserved", unless you are asserting that because he's part Asian, he isn't Finnish, at which point your argument that you aren't racist falls flat.

What if your culture values lineage and descent? And that that in of itself is used as a metric of evaluation of appropriate people too pair with? And that common lineage and descent is valuable.

Also, is ethnicity partially internal group identification, so physical differences that are seen as 'not' of a particular ethnicity (in this case Finnish) can lead to questions over whether they are part of particular ethnicity? And is the desire to not have children have to relate too this issue not desirable?

[Las Palmeras]

Would you have children with a person who isn't your ethnicity?

Anybody average-enough looking I guess. Then my possible hereditary kinks will kick in and x-individual is screwed.

I personally don't think I would in theory, granted its hard to predict the future, but I'd like to have Portuguese children, hopefully from a Portuguese mother. Not even in racial related theory, I'd have as much trouble as raising half-Spanish children as I would some half-slavic kids.
I'd like my children to be of the same heritage as me, having the same cultural group and the same past. I would hope my culture doesn't die out with me, hopefully preserving my lineage.
What about you?

Eh, I'm fairly indifferent about it. Some relative married and had kids with a Japanese individual, if they did it I could too hypothetically as long as some basic communication is set in and personality is compatible. In my opinion, culture is a sand-castle worn away by circumstances and smashed by others but somebody on shore always makes another one and re-arranges it with the piles of the previous one.
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I've only had two extra-dating relationships; a Caucasian and a Korean-American, though the circumstances were about same interests and not particularly inter-ethnic attraction. Both were brief because I'm quite indifferent. In the latter case it was a double-case of on-off interactions despite being official.

[May Mays]

In the end, who you want to fuck is your business and not really anybody else's.

[The Althing Confederacy]

Ethnicity is not an issue, compatibility, and ideology would be what has importance.
PS Im actually an agnostic pagan strongly leaning towards atheistic (a T.A.P. according to Dawkin's book "The God Delusion")