Dating outside of your ethnicity

[Mavorpen]

You said you could make an Indonesian baby from two Slavs,

Because you can.

if it was raised in Indonesia, born in it and had all the legal papers and such in order. Which would be a sovereign Indonesian, not an ethnic one

Of course it would. Ethnicity includes culture. That's mostly what differentiates it from the pseudoscientific concept of "race."

[The Cobalt Sky]

It seems you're uncomfortable with the term, then. You think than simply saying 'segregation is good,' is better than outright admitting you think all other races are awful.

You'll never understand

I understand you are bigoted. I think that's all this conversation is really about.

if I fathered a child with a woman outside of my race, my child would clearly have darker skin and I can't accept this.

Because you think people with dark skin are inferior. Term of the day, ladies and gentlemen, is 'white supremacist'

You come across as telling me that every instance of same race pairings are bad because they must not think other races are good enough for them

Ha, weren't you the one just harping about how I was putting words in your mouth? I have never said that. If you had actually read every post I've made here on this thread, you'd get that.

when the alternative is having specific racial traits such as White skin go extinct or become so recessive that it almost never happens anymore.

Which isn't happening now, and will probably never happen.

[Azorean Lands]

Some people in this thread, I swear.
So if you want your children to be of the same colour as you, you're racist?
I feel even more disgusted that this argument is only pointed towards whites, SJW really are the most biased people on earth.

[Thessalonaik]

You said you could make an Indonesian baby from two Slavs,

Because you can.

if it was raised in Indonesia, born in it and had all the legal papers and such in order. Which would be a sovereign Indonesian, not an ethnic one

Of course it would. Ethnicity includes culture. That's mostly what differentiates it from the pseudoscientific concept of "race."

No you can't m8 and it's visible with your own two eyes, and there's nothing pseudoscientific about genetics, only sociology
Two slavs cannot give birth to an ethnic Indonesian; race factors in culture, ethnicity is just ancestry.

[Mavorpen]

No you can't m8 and it's visible with your own two eyes,

You do realize that "your eyes" hasn't been a valid tool to taxonomically categorize organisms for centuries, right? And it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that understands basic biology. What we perceive to be "visible" evidence doesn't actually reflect genetic differentiation or variation. A sub-Saharan has more in common with a Russian than two random Chimpanzees within the same population. Fruit flies have more genetic diversity than humans. Penguins do as well. Humans are just built by evolution to focus on superficial phenotypic qualities because we're visual and social creatures. It doesn't reflect anything legitimate about taxonomy, genetics, etc.

and there's nothing pseudoscientific about genetics, only sociology

Race isn't based on any genetics.

Two slavs cannot give birth to an ethnic Indonesian; race factors in culture, ethnicity is just ancestry.

Something that doesn't exist can't factor into culture. And no, ethnicity is tradition. You can, of course, make YOUR focus about "ancestry," but for ethnic groups, typically they care more about tradition and cultural aspects such as religion, language, etc.

[Laerod]

Congratulations on getting your wish? You've just completely misread that statistic. It's population increase, not births.

Laerod, that is how at this rate they will become a minority - their population is decreasing, population growth is fueled by immigration - demographic changes will take place, and not in their favour

There's really no point in debating you since you don't appear to know shit about statistics.

Ooh, pejoratives. I don't recall giving you K-word privileges.

Nah it's fine sauerkraut is delicious and krauts are good engineers

And learn to speak English please.

Utterly different population dynamics and delusional misrepresentation of statistics for political purposes come to mind. And that's not even accounting for London being a megacity, which means its population dynamics aren't a sound basis for extrapolation to other metropolises.

What about Manchester where under 67% of Manchester are classed as "white" - with no distinction between English and white immigrants. Or Birmingham, where it's 58% classed as "white," again with no distinction for English. And if you check the demography of London, from 2001-2011 the amount of Brits there fell from 60% to 45% in just a decade.

See my first comment above.

[Thessalonaik]

You do realize that "your eyes" hasn't been a valid tool to taxonomically categorize organisms for centuries, right?

It's a far cruder tool than genetic sequencing, but it's also a lot simpler to explain. Humans individuals are not the same to one another, and what makes them different is shared between groups of those individuals. This is plain as day for anyone who can tell green apart from brown!

And it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that understands basic biology. What we perceive to be "visible" evidence doesn't actually reflect genetic differentiation or variation. A sub-Saharan has more in common with a Russian than two random Chimpanzees within the same population.

And a Russian has more in common with a Pole than a sub-Saharan or a German, good thing we're not comparing sub-Saharans with Chimpanzees

Fruit flies have more genetic diversity than humans. Penguins do as well. Humans are just built by evolution to focus on superficial phenotypic qualities because we're visual and social creatures. It doesn't reflect anything legitimate about taxonomy, genetics, etc.

"legitimate"

Something that doesn't exist can't factor into culture. And no, ethnicity is tradition. You can, of course, make YOUR focus about "ancestry," but for ethnic groups, typically they care more about tradition and cultural aspects such as religion, language, etc.

You keep asserting the differences don't exist m8 but you're going to have to try hard to convince me we're all the same when we're clearly not. If you took those two slavs and put them back in slavland and taught them Indonesian culture the child they would rear would have that mongolian eye fold, would probably have light brown eyes, have pale skin and some dark brown hair. Because they are slavs. Not Java.

[Conserative Morality]

Your fallacious equivalence between decadent Western cultural norms and social progress is duly noted and rejected for the falsehood it is. This phenomenon of stripping people from their heritage is a covert attempt by the imperialists to make our people more easily exploited. A man with no history or culture is like an empty stomach, which you colonialists fill with consumerist poison and narcissism.

A person with no history or culture is free to do as they wish. You're just upset that your perception of culture and history isn't appealing to those you seek to woo.

You say what we give is consumerist poison and narcissism? If it is, it's awfully barefaced. What does that say about your ideals if people consistently choose poison and narcissism over them?

Because sometimes a little poison is preferable to collective irrationality.

[Conserative Morality]

Some people in this thread, I swear.
So if you want your children to be of the same colour as you, you're racist?
I feel even more disgusted that this argument is only pointed towards whites, SJW really are the most biased people on earth.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!

[Liriena]

I wouldn't mind dating people outside of my ethnicity. At all.

[Thessalonaik]

There's really no point in debating you since you don't appear to know shit about statistics.

You've run around my arguments and couldn't address them and now you know you're wrong

And learn to speak English please.

Some of us weren't born in English countries yeah? No need to be dicks about it

See my first comment above.

That you picked old stats, I picked more current stats, you're ignoring them because they don't fit well with you.

[The Cobalt Sky]

I feel even more disgusted that this argument is only pointed towards whites,

I'm pretty sure conservative morality has proven that utterly false (example below)
Right here:

Your fallacious equivalence between decadent Western cultural norms and social progress is duly noted and rejected for the falsehood it is. This phenomenon of stripping people from their heritage is a covert attempt by the imperialists to make our people more easily exploited. A man with no history or culture is like an empty stomach, which you colonialists fill with consumerist poison and narcissism.

A person with no history or culture is free to do as they wish. You're just upset that your perception of culture and history isn't appealing to those you seek to woo.

You say what we give is consumerist poison and narcissism? If it is, it's awfully barefaced. What does that say about your ideals if people consistently choose poison and narcissism over them?

Because sometimes a little poison is preferable to collective irrationality.

[Thessalonaik]

Some people in this thread, I swear.
So if you want your children to be of the same colour as you, you're racist?
I feel even more disgusted that this argument is only pointed towards whites, SJW really are the most biased people on earth.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white! Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!

Stop the genocide of the £2 fish

You say what we give is consumerist poison and narcissism? If it is, it's awfully barefaced. What does that say about your ideals if people consistently choose poison and narcissism over them?

That they're awfully addictive

Given a life of abstinence and a life of hedonism, the former is healthy but we'd all end up living the latter, intentionally or no.

[Esheaun Stroakuss]

I would. To be honest, it doesn't really matter if I do or don't, so I will just live my life.

[The Cobalt Sky]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!

I think I heard that before but what does it mean exactly?

[Mavorpen]

It's a far cruder tool than genetic sequencing, but it's also a lot simpler to explain.

That's because it's bullshit and not actual science.

Humans individuals are not the same to one another, and what makes them different is shared between groups of those individuals.

Actually, differentiation is shared more within the groups than between. That's what happens when you have such broad overlap between groups in a concept like "race" and a species with relatively small genetic variation.

This is plain as day for anyone who can tell green apart from brown!

It's also plain as day that Jesus' face is in the following objects.

I'm pretty sure Jesus is not spending his time blessing these specific pieces of food.

And a Russian has more in common with a Pole than a sub-Saharan or a German, good thing we're not comparing sub-Saharans with Chimpanzees

Either you didn't read what I posted, or it flew over your head because you don't have a basic understanding of this topic.

First of all, you've got this wrong. If you pluck a random Russian out, they're more likely to have more in common with a sub-Saharan than a Pole simply because sub-Saharan Africa has a shit ton of genetic diversity.

Second of all, the point about the Chimpanzees is that differences in physical attributes don't necessarily reflect genetic diversity or differentiation. If you take a single population of Chimpanzees, they'll have more genetic diversity within that group than between two people of different "races." Yet if you do a courtesy glance at two Chimpanzees of that group, you wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two, despite the fact that they have more genetic diversity.

"legitimate"

Congratulations, you can type?

You keep asserting the differences don't exist m8 but you're going to have to try hard to convince me we're all the same when we're clearly not.

I'm aware of this. I've found that people who have virtually no knowledge about the topic are notoriously difficult to convince. My sig is a nice place to start.

If you took those two slavs and put them back in slavland and taught them Indonesian culture the child they would rear would have that mongolian eye fold, would probably have light brown eyes, have pale skin and some dark brown hair. Because they are slavs. Not Java.

Uh, no shit? Teaching them Indonesian culture is not the same as actually growing up within Indonesia and taking upon the cultural norms.

[Heartlost]

Some people in this thread, I swear.
So if you want your children to be of the same colour as you, you're racist?
I feel even more disgusted that this argument is only pointed towards whites, SJW really are the most biased people on earth.

There is nothing wrong with it, though people will call you racist regardless because people are stupids and rarely understand simple concepts.
There is little that can be done about it.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

Why is this called dating outside your ethnicity but it's about having children with someone from a different ethnicity?

Because obviously dating = having kiddies.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Why is this called dating outside your ethnicity but it's about having children with someone from a different ethnicity?

Because obviously dating = having kiddies.

If you forget to put a helmet on your soldier, then maybe.

[The Krogan]

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!

I think I heard that before but what does it mean exactly?

Has to do with twin towers, 911, usually used in conspiracy theories. ( I think)

[Conserative Morality]

I think I heard that before but what does it mean exactly?

9/11 conspiracy theory stuff. It's the go-to phrase for mocking paranoid ideas.

[Britannic North America]

I want to know why OP thinks his lineage is somehow more important or anymore more worth being "proud of" than those who chose to marry outside their ethnicity.

In fact, quite honestly I'm not sure why OP thinks his lineage even matters. You aren't responsible for anything your parents or your ancestors did, and you didn't choose to be born to them, so why does anything they did/have done matter to you so much that you want to "preserve" your lineage? Sure, the culture might be a thing you're worried about, but as other people have pointed out, if your kid was raised in Portugal and he spoke Portuguese and identified as being Portuguese, then what the hell's the difference? Would he just magically not be culturally Portuguese because his mother wasn't ethnically Portuguese? I don't get it.

So if you want your children to be of the same colour as you, you're racist?
I feel even more disgusted that this argument is only pointed towards whites, SJW really are the most biased people on earth.

Uh, actually, yeah, kind of. I don't see why the color of your child should make any difference. In fact, I would go so far as to say its color matters about as much as your own, as in not at all.

I haven't read much of the thread, but I would be surprised if anyone here was actually suggesting that the argument only applies to whites.

[Conserative Morality]

That they're awfully addictive

Given a life of abstinence and a life of hedonism, the former is healthy but we'd all end up living the latter, intentionally or no.

I dispute that claim. Abstinence is not physically or mentally healthier than moderate indulgence in most cases. It is, in fact, considerably worse.

[Laerod]

There's really no point in debating you since you don't appear to know shit about statistics.

You've run around my arguments and couldn't address them and now you know you're wrong

I cited a source that showed population growth doesn't work the way you claim it does and you responded by showing that you haven't got a fucking clue regarding the interpretation of population statistics. I've been addressing your "arguments" and the refutation has been "learn2statistic" in every case.

And learn to speak English please.

Some of us weren't born in English countries yeah? No need to be dicks about it

What an interesting development.

See my first comment above.

That you picked old stats, I picked more current stats, you're ignoring them because they don't fit well with you.

Not only do you not know shit about reading statistics, you apparently don't know shit about reading the names next to posts.

[Thessalonaik]

It's a far cruder tool than genetic sequencing, but it's also a lot simpler to explain.

That's because it's bullshit and not actual science.

I am just pointing out the obvious. In the same way that stating "all things fall because of gravity" is just pointing out the obvious.

This is plain as day for anyone who can tell green apart from brown!

It's also plain as day that Jesus' face is in the following objects.

I'm pretty sure Jesus is not spending his time blessing these specific pieces of food.

M8 we're not potatoes we're people

And a Russian has more in common with a Pole than a sub-Saharan or a German, good thing we're not comparing sub-Saharans with Chimpanzees

Either you didn't read what I posted, or it flew over your head because you don't have a basic understanding of this topic.
First of all, you've got this wrong. If you pluck a random Russian out, they're more likely to have more in common with a sub-Saharan than a Pole simply because sub-Saharan Africa has a shit ton of genetic diversity.

No they won't have more in common. Both the Russian and Pole will likely not have sickle-cell disease, both will have a higher risk of cystic fibrosis, both will most likely not be lactose intolerant, both will have fair skin, both will have a chance of having green/blue/brown eyes as opposed to just brown, both will have epicanthic folds and so on.

Second of all, the point about the Chimpanzees is that physical attributes don't reflect genetic diversity or differentiation. If you take a single population of Chimpanzees, they'll have more genetic diversity between that group than between two people of different "races." Yet if you do a courtesy glance at two Chimpanzees of that group, you wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two, despite the fact that they have more genetic diversity.

Genetic diversity decreases the further away from Africa you get, what of it? The Han are not very diverse genetically and they are the world's most populous ethnic group. And they are very distinguishable from their neighbours to the south, to the west and east.

"legitimate"

Congratulations, you can type?

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You keep asserting the differences don't exist m8 but you're going to have to try hard to convince me we're all the same when we're clearly not.

I'm aware of this. I've found that people who have virtually no knowledge about the topic are notoriously difficult to convince. My sig is a nice place to start.

If you took those two slavs and put them back in slavland and taught them Indonesian culture the child they would rear would have that mongolian eye fold, would probably have light brown eyes, have pale skin and some dark brown hair. Because they are slavs. Not Java.

Uh, no shit? Teaching them Indonesian culture is not the same as actually growing up within Indonesia and taking upon the cultural norms.

It's also not the same as being Java. Having Indonesian genes, and not slavic ones. A slavic baby in Indonesia that took up the cultural norms would be a slavic adult with Indonesian culture. When the white rajahs adopted Malayans customs and culture, lived in Malaya, ruled in Malaya - they were always brown haired men (with the occasional blond) of fair skin. They were always ethnic Englishmen. Their time in Malaya did not make them Indian, or Han, or Hakka, or Malayan, or Aboriginal. They remained very much of the English ethnicity, and obviously so.