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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:00 am

Thessalonaik wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:That's easy. Just have them give birth in Indonesia.

Two slavs living in Indonesia does not an Indonesian baby make

If they get the relevant paperwork together ahead of time, of course it does.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:00 am

Thessalonaik wrote:Two slavs living in Indonesia does not an Indonesian baby make

No, I suppose they'd have to raise the child there in the culture as well.
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Postby Laerod » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:02 am

Thessalonaik wrote:
Laerod wrote:That's... it? You're saying that population growth being nearly dead even between Brits and migrants is going to lead to Brits being whiped from existence. That's pretty foolish.

Gods know I'd rather be a wrong fool in this case but that birth parity is part of a trend - 92% of the country is responsible for less than half of all births whilst 8% is responsible for that 52%. This is going to get worse and worse as more immigrants arrive and set up more families ad infinitum; it's too much.

Congratulations on getting your wish? You've just completely misread that statistic. It's population increase, not births.
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Migrationwatch is an independent and non-political thinktank; your trusted German newspaper is trusted by Krauts and left wingers. It's not quite guardian, bbc or independent.

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Laerod wrote:Your statements about London though... not actually relevant. Particularly not when you attempt to extrapolate from a major metropolis to the UK as a whole.

So you got people warning that Yuros will go the way of dodos through mechanisms of mass immigration. The English are minorities as a result of mass immigration in their own capital city... This is irrelevant why? Because you say so? When you extrapolate from the juggernaut urban cityscape of London to all the other cities of the UK the same is happening.

Utterly different population dynamics and delusional misrepresentation of statistics for political purposes come to mind. And that's not even accounting for London being a megacity, which means its population dynamics aren't a sound basis for extrapolation to other metropolises.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:02 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Thessalonaik wrote:Two slavs living in Indonesia does not an Indonesian baby make

No, I suppose they'd have to raise the child there in the culture as well.

That too. Ultimately it'd be up to the child to decide whether they want to remain culturally Indonesian.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:08 am

It shouldn't really matter. If I met an attractive woman that I can relate to and form a relationship with, I don't think ethnicity would even enter into it.
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:11 am

Thessalonaik wrote:Only you can deny your children a Portuguese heritage by ensuring they're not Portuguese.


Tell me, which part of DNA specifically codes for making a person "Portuguese"?

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Postby Replevion » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:13 am

United West Afrika wrote:
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This is the lie of the white devil, who has stolen our culture from us. You took us, changed our names, forced your religion upon us, your Western education, and now force your inferior white genetics upon us. Who is a person who abandons their culture? If you aren't owned by your culture, then you own no culture. You are a lonely phantom, without a history or a people, searching for a vessel to possess.

I mean, what you're basically saying is that it's acceptable for a white to date a black, so long as that black person acts like a white person. How preposterously chauvinistic! We are not your dolls, to be dressed up and played with! We are proud people with a history of our own, and we will not have it diluted and trivialized!


The irony of this is that one of my wife's early boyfriends who was white accused her of not acting black enough. I never cared one way or the other. Who's the chauvinist exactly? There's supposed to be some "right way" and "wrong way" to act because of skin color? That's bald racism.
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Postby Sierra Fraternity » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:13 am

I, as a Caucasian Dutch male, am dating a Chinese girl whom I met an fell in love with while I was studying in Beijing.
Although there were some cultural differences to keep in mind at the start, and the slight language barrier, my Mandarin isn't great, nor is her English, let alone her Dutch. We're still in love with one another, even now that I've been back in Europe for two or three months, I can see myself still being with her in a few years.

Her father didn't approve of it at first, mostly, I think, because he just thought I was some rich foreigner doing a semester abroad who just wanted a girl to shag every day of the week. But after a while my gf and I managed to convince him it was nothing like that.

I wouldn't care if we had mixed race children some day, I think that anyone who would care if she and I did are people I needn't have as friends anyway. She makes me happy, she's happy with me, that's what's important, not the colour of skin or where you came from, as long as you're happy with one another.

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Postby Replevion » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:13 am

Russels Orbiting Teapot wrote:
Thessalonaik wrote:Only you can deny your children a Portuguese heritage by ensuring they're not Portuguese.


Tell me, which part of DNA specifically codes for making a person "Portuguese"?


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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:14 am

Thessalonaik wrote:
Laerod wrote:Your statements about London though... not actually relevant. Particularly not when you attempt to extrapolate from a major metropolis to the UK as a whole.

So you got people warning that Yuros will go the way of dodos through mechanisms of mass immigration. The English are minorities as a result of mass immigration in their own capital city... This is irrelevant why? Because you say so? When you extrapolate from the juggernaut urban cityscape of London to all the other cities of the UK the same is happening.

Given that 59.5% of London (all) is White British, you're evidently incorrect.
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Postby The Krogan » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:16 am

Redheads, I'd date the shit out of that.

(They're their own ethnicity right?)
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Postby Laerod » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:16 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Thessalonaik wrote:So you got people warning that Yuros will go the way of dodos through mechanisms of mass immigration. The English are minorities as a result of mass immigration in their own capital city... This is irrelevant why? Because you say so? When you extrapolate from the juggernaut urban cityscape of London to all the other cities of the UK the same is happening.

Given that 59.5% of London (all) is White British, you're evidently incorrect.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... land-wales
crtl+F for London, otherwise it's table line 247.

But some of them feel outnumbered. Surely that has to count for something.

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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:23 am

The Cobalt Sky wrote:It seems you're uncomfortable with the term, then. You think than simply saying 'segregation is good,' is better than outright admitting you think all other races are awful.


You'll never understand so there is no point in discussing this with you anymore. If I fathered a child with a woman outside of my race, my child would clearly have darker skin and I can't accept this. If I have a child from within my racial group, there is at least an overwhelming chance that they'll be the same race as me when born. You come across as telling me that every instance of same race pairings are bad because they must not think other races are good enough for them, when the alternative is having specific racial traits such as White skin go extinct or become so recessive that it almost never happens anymore.
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Postby Thessalonaik » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:26 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Thessalonaik wrote:Two slavs living in Indonesia does not an Indonesian baby make

If they get the relevant paperwork together ahead of time, of course it does.

They'd be Indonesian in the sovereign sense, but not ethnic

Laerod wrote:Congratulations on getting your wish? You've just completely misread that statistic. It's population increase, not births.

Laerod, that is how at this rate they will become a minority - their population is decreasing, population growth is fueled by immigration - demographic changes will take place, and not in their favour

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Laerod wrote:Utterly different population dynamics and delusional misrepresentation of statistics for political purposes come to mind. And that's not even accounting for London being a megacity, which means its population dynamics aren't a sound basis for extrapolation to other metropolises.

What about Manchester where under 67% of Manchester are classed as "white" - with no distinction between English and white immigrants. Or Birmingham, where it's 58% classed as "white," again with no distinction for English. And if you check the demography of London, from 2001-2011 the amount of Brits there fell from 60% to 45% in just a decade.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:29 am

Thessalonaik wrote:They'd be Indonesian in the sovereign sense, but not ethnic

Well, of course not. Newborns don't have an ethnicity, as that depends on culture. All they need to do is simply raise them within the culture.

Also, I'm not sure what you're reading, but I never said ethnicities don't exist. I was referring to race, which was the specific point being discussed.
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Postby Russels Orbiting Teapot » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:30 am

Saiwania wrote:You'll never understand so there is no point in discussing this with you anymore. If I fathered a child with a woman outside of my race, my child would clearly have darker skin and I can't accept this. If I have a child from within my racial group, there is at least an overwhelming chance that they'll be the same race as me when born. You come across as telling me that every instance of same race pairings are bad because they must not think other races are good enough for them, when the alternative is having specific racial traits such as White skin go extinct or become so recessive that it almost never happens anymore.


What I don't get is why you think that matters.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:32 am

Saiwania wrote:
The Cobalt Sky wrote:It seems you're uncomfortable with the term, then. You think than simply saying 'segregation is good,' is better than outright admitting you think all other races are awful.


You'll never understand so there is no point in discussing this with you anymore. If I fathered a child with a woman outside of my race, my child would clearly have darker skin and I can't accept this. If I have a child from within my racial group, there is at least an overwhelming chance that they'll be the same race as me when born. You come across as telling me that every instance of same race pairings are bad because they must not think other races are good enough for them, when the alternative is having specific racial traits such as White skin go extinct or become so recessive that it almost never happens anymore.

That...that's not what recessive means.

Nor is that how skin color works.
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Postby St Salvador » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:32 am

So long as we speak the same language it doesn't really matter.
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Postby Thessalonaik » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:34 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Thessalonaik wrote:They'd be Indonesian in the sovereign sense, but not ethnic

Well, of course not. Newborns don't have an ethnicity, as that depends on culture. All they need to do is simply raise them within the culture.
Also, I'm not sure what you're reading, but I never said ethnicities don't exist. I was referring to race, which was the specific point being discussed.

Culture does not change skin, skull, eye shape, eye colour, hair colour, skin colour, muscle composition or the presence of mongolian eye folds

Also kraut guy, BBC on population change in London cos I know you like sources; the guardian source you picked was using data from 2008

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Postby Anywhere Else But Here » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:35 am

Saiwania wrote:
The Cobalt Sky wrote:It seems you're uncomfortable with the term, then. You think than simply saying 'segregation is good,' is better than outright admitting you think all other races are awful.


You'll never understand so there is no point in discussing this with you anymore. If I fathered a child with a woman outside of my race, my child would clearly have darker skin and I can't accept this. If I have a child from within my racial group, there is at least an overwhelming chance that they'll be the same race as me when born. You come across as telling me that every instance of same race pairings are bad because they must not think other races are good enough for them, when the alternative is having specific racial traits such as White skin go extinct or become so recessive that it almost never happens anymore.


That's pretty telling.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:35 am

Thessalonaik wrote:Culture does not change skin, skull, eye shape, eye colour, hair colour, skin colour, muscle composition or the presence of mongolian eye folds

Who said it does? Are you even reading my posts?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Thessalonaik » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:39 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Thessalonaik wrote:Culture does not change skin, skull, eye shape, eye colour, hair colour, skin colour, muscle composition or the presence of mongolian eye folds

Who said it does? Are you even reading my posts?

You said you could make an Indonesian baby from two Slavs, if it was raised in Indonesia, born in it and had all the legal papers and such in order. Which would be a sovereign Indonesian, not an ethnic one

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:39 am

Azorean Lands wrote:Would you have children with a person who isn't your ethnicity?
I personally don't think I would in theory, granted its hard to predict the future, but I'd like to have Portuguese children, hopefully from a Portuguese mother. Not even in racial related theory, I'd have as much trouble as raising half-Spanish children as I would some half-slavic kids.
I'd like my children to be of the same heritage as me, having the same cultural group and the same past. I would hope my culture doesn't die out with me, hopefully preserving my lineage.
What about you?

I guess if I were going to remarry (having somehow ditched my present husband) I would want to marry an American or someone who was at least going to stay in the US permanently. that's all the ethnicity that matters to me.
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Postby Heartlost » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:40 am

Azorean Lands wrote:What about you?

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Postby United West Afrika » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:41 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
United West Afrika wrote:This is the lie of the white devil, who has stolen our culture from us. You took us, changed our names, forced your religion upon us, your Western education, and now force your inferior white genetics upon us. Who is a person who abandons their culture? If you aren't owned by your culture, then you own no culture. You are a lonely phantom, without a history or a people, searching for a vessel to possess.

That can go fuck off. This is the modern world - people have independent agency with which to make choices without social approval.

Your fallacious equivalence between decadent Western cultural norms and social progress is duly noted and rejected for the falsehood it is. This phenomenon of stripping people from their heritage is a covert attempt by the imperialists to make our people more easily exploited. A man with no history or culture is like an empty stomach, which you colonialists fill with consumerist poison and narcissism.
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