Marriage Now Fabulous, SCOTUS Rules for Same Sex Marriage

[Blekksprutia]

God has truly blessed us this day. LGBT Marriage is now legal in the USA, and will hopefully spread to the entire world. Equality and Love rises above hate and ignorance.

^^

[Mavorpen]

"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are. It's totally different somehow."

That's not how it is. At all. Get it right b0ss.

"I detest of the sin you have, not of the individual you are."

it's like that. Pls get it right next time.

b0ss

If the sin is a fundamental part of the individual, then yes, how he described it is definitely how it is.

[Torisakia]

It's not a fallacy. You call gay "marriage" by the term "marriage quality", but incestors and polygamists cannot marry "who they love". That, by the arguments used to push SSM, is hate and bigotry.

If SSM is legal and holy, then any union between consenting adults over the age of eighteen is also legal and holy. You can't have SSM and let the incestors have their "fundamental right to marry" be oppressed.

I still don't see what's wrong with 2 consenting people over the age of 18 marrying...

Apparently it's all about love or some other chemical reaction in the brain. Too many Bill Nye terms to count.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Incest was punishable by death in the Bible.

Really ? Adam and Eve and their children ? Noahs offspring ?

Who was it whose daughters slept with him because his wife didn't give him a son?

First America... THEN THE WORLD

Then other planets and universes.

To infinity... And beyond!

[Liriena]

If you truly care about those issues, start a thread about them. Don't cynically use them as a fallacious tool against same-sex marriage.

It's not a fallacy. You call gay "marriage" by the term "marriage quality", but incestors and polygamists cannot marry "who they love". That, by the arguments used to push SSM, is hate and bigotry.

If SSM is legal and holy, then any union between consenting adults over the age of eighteen is also legal and holy. You can't have SSM and let the incestors have their "fundamental right to marry" be oppressed.

Stop threadjacking. I have a very low tolerance for people who use issues they don't really care about to throw other issues under the bus.

[Val Halla]

First America... THEN THE WORLD

I imagine the Chinese government is now thinking: "Well, damn, we're running out of excuses not to do it ourselves."

I don't know what China will do.

[Galloism]

So, it appears my old nemesis Huckabee has a statement:

"The Supreme Court can no more repeal the laws of nature and nature's God on marriage than it can the laws of gravity. Under our constitution, the court cannot write a law, even though some cowardly politicians will save the white flag and accept it without realizing they are failing their sworn duty to reject abuses of the court. If adopted by Congress and this President, this decision will be a seriously blow to religious liberty, which is the heart of the first amendment. "

Next step: levitating the Supreme Court, gentlemen. We have scientists and engineers - we can make this happen.

[Napkiraly]

Incest was punishable by death in the Bible.

So's wearing cotton-polyester blends.

And having sex with a women who is menstruating. Or being a virgin engaged female and being raped in a city.

[Cannot think of a name]

That was my understanding too. I think the momentous social change brought upon by activists within the Obama Administration has been forced through too fast and without the required popular consultation.

What was that phrase again ? Ah yes:

“In a world in which gay and lesbian couples live openly as our neighbors, they raise their children side by side with the rest of us, they contribute fully as members of the community . . . it is simply untenable — untenable — to suggest that they can be denied the right of equal participation in an institution of marriage, or that they can be required to wait until the majority decides that it is ready to treat gay and lesbian people as equals,”
-- Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr.

Or to lay some poetry on it:
I tire so of hearing people say,
Let things take their course.
Tomorrow is another day.
I do not need my freedom when I'm dead.
I cannot live on tomorrow's bread.

[Eastern Equestria]

It's almost as if.......the cultural norms accepted by the vast majority of society in 1776 were vastly different from those of today....

It's almost as if...that doesn't give them a pass. I really hope you apply this cultural relativism towards:
The Inquisition in all of its manifestations
Crusades and other religious wars
Imperialism
The Bible as a complete entity
The people who created the Jim Crow Laws
Trail of Tears
The Taliban rule in Afghanistan
Slavery throughout history
Serfdom
And so on down the list of shit things that have existed at some point or another.

"Give them a pass"? More like "They can't be blamed for having certain social views that had been near-universally accepted for centuries" and "despite this set forth a rule of law which was egalitarian in nature and flexible enough to accommodate social progress". What fucking assholes. Right up there with the Catholic monarchs who sanctioned the Spanish Inquisition.

Naming the Founding Fathers racist is about as useful and poignant as calling out Muhammad for being a pedophile.

[Zurkerx]

I love reading what the candidates had to say, ranging from "unelected judges" to "You can't repeal the laws of nature". Eh, help me. Regardless, we won.

[Xanama]

First America... THEN THE WORLD

First Ireland

Well, first 37 states an the District of Columbia actually, one was nc, so good news for my girlfriend （＾ω＾）
Anyway, yeah37 states

[Ava Ire]

God hates sin, not sinners.

"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are. It's totally different somehow."

Wrong.
"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are what you do."

[Saint Kitten]

I can't imagine why you'd think that it's the same thing.

Sodomy is not "who someone is" any more than having sex with a woman is "who I am". You are elevating a sexual act to the innermost being of a person, and if all you see in a person is sex, you're far more gone than I am.

Ohhh, you're one of those people who thinks everyone is bisexual? Where we can, at will, chose our sexual orientation? That makes sense now.

[Ganos Lao]

Yeah it's not like incest is in the bible or was totally acceptable until very recently.

Incest was punishable by death in the Bible.

It was also a rule in the Bible to put to death your children, too, if they expressed themselves in a particular manner. Also, the Bible says a man is required to slay his friends and members of his own family who are guilty of worshipping another god.

[Liriena]

The similarities being compared are the fact that the original biological sexual motive is same-species heterosexuality, and not any other.

"Motive"?

Look, I know this may come as a shock, but evolution doesn't really have a "motive". It's not a sapient entity. It has no sense of purpose.

[Xanama]

I imagine the Chinese government is now thinking: "Well, damn, we're running out of excuses not to do it ourselves."

I don't know what China will do.

Well, we shall play the waiting game

[Autem Galacticus Nexum]

That's not how it is. At all. Get it right b0ss.

"I detest of the sin you have, not of the individual you are."

it's like that. Pls get it right next time.

b0ss

If the sin is a fundamental part of the individual, then yes, how he described it is definitely how it is.

Sin as the core generality is a fundamental part. Not the specifics; they are a derivative.

[Autem Galacticus Nexum]

The similarities being compared are the fact that the original biological sexual motive is same-species heterosexuality, and not any other.

"Motive"?

Look, I know this may come as a shock, but evolution doesn't really have a "motive". It's not a sapient entity. It has no sense of purpose.

Yeah, I know. I was stating how they would perceive the similarity.

[Saint Kitten]

"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are. It's totally different somehow."

Wrong.
"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are what you do."

As if what they are doing is a choice and they could stop at any given moment.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are. It's totally different somehow."

Wrong.
"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are what you do."

The turrets in portal are less hateful than that.

[Mavorpen]

If the sin is a fundamental part of the individual, then yes, how he described it is definitely how it is.

Sin as the core generality is a fundamental part. Not the specifics; they are a derivative.

Is this gibberish supposed to defeat my point?

[Ganos Lao]

You know what I mean. I'm going simply by what I understand their views would stem from, as other people have done here.

I don't know what you mean. I don't know what you mean when you say "what [you] understand their views would stem from." I don't think the people who wrote the constitution were talking about this kind of equality. I also don't believe that the constitution was handed down like the ten commandments rather than written by a couple of reasonably smart guys like a legal document and that there's no reason that we shouldn't be able to amend it to reflect the standards that we believe the government should be held to.

I'm saying that they probably looked at the Constitution and were of the opinion that it does actually say shit, as you put it and unlike what you believe yourself.

The people who wrote the Constitution, of course, were from a far different time. But the prevailing interpretation of their work today is that they believed in establishing a independent state dedicated to liberty and freedom for all inhabitants past, present and future, and so that's what they went with, most likely, when formulating their decision on gay marriage.

[Liriena]

I imagine the Chinese government is now thinking: "Well, damn, we're running out of excuses not to do it ourselves."

I don't know what China will do.

A couple of years back a source from the Chinese government argued that China was not ready for same-sex marriage, and cited the fact that many Western nations still hadn't recognised marriage equality as an excuse.

That was before the United States, Mexico, the United Kingdom, France, Ireland and others threw their lot in with marriage equality.

[Autem Galacticus Nexum]

Sin as the core generality is a fundamental part. Not the specifics; they are a derivative.

Is this gibberish supposed to defeat my point?

If you cannot decode a simple phrase, I'm sorry.