Marriage Now Fabulous, SCOTUS Rules for Same Sex Marriage

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Can't disagree there.

Furthermore, certain doctrines of Christianity (particularly Fundamentalism) have convinced their followers that homosexuality is an abomination, and this has translated into homosexuals themselves not being viewed as equals to heterosexuals. Essentially, they are de-humanizing homosexuals and making it seem like homosexuals are some kind of subhuman vermin.

That's the first tactic some use to be able to justify hating a group: dehumanize them.

[Cannabis Islands]

Can't disagree there.

Furthermore, certain doctrines of Christianity (particularly Fundamentalism) have convinced their followers that homosexuality is an abomination, and this has translated into homosexuals themselves not being viewed as equals to heterosexuals. Essentially, they are de-humanizing homosexuals and making it seem like homosexuals are some kind of subhuman vermin.

I have to ask this, but why do so many Protestants seem to ignore Jesus words on divorce in Matthew 19?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Furthermore, certain doctrines of Christianity (particularly Fundamentalism) have convinced their followers that homosexuality is an abomination, and this has translated into homosexuals themselves not being viewed as equals to heterosexuals. Essentially, they are de-humanizing homosexuals and making it seem like homosexuals are some kind of subhuman vermin.

I have to ask this, but why do so many Protestants seem to ignore Jesus words on divorce in Matthew 19?

Convenience. Pain and simple.

If you ever want to read it, I can send you a link to an article on abortion that illustrates this very well.

[The Orson Empire]

Furthermore, certain doctrines of Christianity (particularly Fundamentalism) have convinced their followers that homosexuality is an abomination, and this has translated into homosexuals themselves not being viewed as equals to heterosexuals. Essentially, they are de-humanizing homosexuals and making it seem like homosexuals are some kind of subhuman vermin.

I have to ask this, but why do so many Protestants seem to ignore Jesus words on divorce in Matthew 19?

Because of cherrypicking. They cherrypick what they like about the Bible and ignore the rest. This is why they commonly cite that one law in Leviticus that speaks out against homosexuality, but ignore all of the other laws in Leviticus.

Furthermore, certain doctrines of Christianity (particularly Fundamentalism) have convinced their followers that homosexuality is an abomination, and this has translated into homosexuals themselves not being viewed as equals to heterosexuals. Essentially, they are de-humanizing homosexuals and making it seem like homosexuals are some kind of subhuman vermin.

That's the first tactic some use to be able to justify hating a group: dehumanize them.

Indeed. If you do not view a certain group of people as human, it is quite easy to justify doing atrocious things to them. It's very unfortunate, but it seems to be embedded in human nature, as it has happened time and time again throughout history.

[Cannabis Islands]

I have to ask this, but why do so many Protestants seem to ignore Jesus words on divorce in Matthew 19?

Because of cherrypicking. They cherrypick what they like about the Bible and ignore the rest. This is why they commonly cite that one law in Leviticus that speaks out against homosexuality, but ignore all of the other laws in Leviticus.

That's the first tactic some use to be able to justify hating a group: dehumanize them.

Indeed. If you do not view a certain group of people as human, it is quite easy to justify doing atrocious things to them. It's very unfortunate, but it seems to be embedded in human nature, as it has happened time and time again throughout history.

But protestants believe that Jesus is God, so why ignore the words of God and focus on a book that has a bunch of old Jewish laws?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

But protestants believe that Jesus is God, so why ignore the words of God and focus on a book that has a bunch of old Jewish laws?

Because it justifies a narrow, bigoted worldview some of them possess.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I have to ask this, but why do so many Protestants seem to ignore Jesus words on divorce in Matthew 19?

Because of cherrypicking. They cherrypick what they like about the Bible and ignore the rest. This is why they commonly cite that one law in Leviticus that speaks out against homosexuality, but ignore all of the other laws in Leviticus.

Like this example (yes, unrelated to same-sex marriage but a good example):

''I have done several abortions on women who have regularly picketed my clinics, including a 16 year old schoolgirl who came back to picket the day after her abortion, about three years ago. During her whole stay at the clinic, we felt that she was not quite right, but there were no real warning bells. She insisted that the abortion was her idea and assured us that all was OK. She went through the procedure very smoothly and was discharged with no problems. A quite routine operation. Next morning she was with her mother and several school mates in front of the clinic with the usual anti posters and chants. It appears that she got the abortion she needed and still displayed the appropriate anti views expected of her by her parents, teachers, and peers." (Physician, Australia)

"I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, 'You're not going to tell them, are you!?' When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn't want this to interfere with it." (Physician, Texas)

[The Orson Empire]

But protestants believe that Jesus is God, so why ignore the words of God and focus on a book that has a bunch of old Jewish laws?

Because it justifies a narrow, bigoted worldview some of them possess.

Indeed.

[The Orson Empire]

Because of cherrypicking. They cherrypick what they like about the Bible and ignore the rest. This is why they commonly cite that one law in Leviticus that speaks out against homosexuality, but ignore all of the other laws in Leviticus.

Like this example (yes, unrelated to same-sex marriage but a good example):

''I have done several abortions on women who have regularly picketed my clinics, including a 16 year old schoolgirl who came back to picket the day after her abortion, about three years ago. During her whole stay at the clinic, we felt that she was not quite right, but there were no real warning bells. She insisted that the abortion was her idea and assured us that all was OK. She went through the procedure very smoothly and was discharged with no problems. A quite routine operation. Next morning she was with her mother and several school mates in front of the clinic with the usual anti posters and chants. It appears that she got the abortion she needed and still displayed the appropriate anti views expected of her by her parents, teachers, and peers." (Physician, Australia)

"I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, 'You're not going to tell them, are you!?' When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn't want this to interfere with it." (Physician, Texas)

This is a good example. It also shows how hypocritical these people are.

[Cannabis Islands]

Because of cherrypicking. They cherrypick what they like about the Bible and ignore the rest. This is why they commonly cite that one law in Leviticus that speaks out against homosexuality, but ignore all of the other laws in Leviticus.

Like this example (yes, unrelated to same-sex marriage but a good example):

''I have done several abortions on women who have regularly picketed my clinics, including a 16 year old schoolgirl who came back to picket the day after her abortion, about three years ago. During her whole stay at the clinic, we felt that she was not quite right, but there were no real warning bells. She insisted that the abortion was her idea and assured us that all was OK. She went through the procedure very smoothly and was discharged with no problems. A quite routine operation. Next morning she was with her mother and several school mates in front of the clinic with the usual anti posters and chants. It appears that she got the abortion she needed and still displayed the appropriate anti views expected of her by her parents, teachers, and peers." (Physician, Australia)

"I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, 'You're not going to tell them, are you!?' When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn't want this to interfere with it." (Physician, Texas)

I'm book marking this. Thank you.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Like this example (yes, unrelated to same-sex marriage but a good example):

This is a good example. It also shows how hypocritical these people are.

And that's how some Christians cherrypick when it comes to same-sex marriage being a sin but can justify divorcing their spouse regardless of what Scripture may say.

[The Orson Empire]

This is a good example. It also shows how hypocritical these people are.

And that's how some Christians cherrypick when it comes to same-sex marriage being a sin but can justify divorcing their spouse regardless of what Scripture may say.

It's despicable at how these people have ruined Christianity for the sake of their own political agenda. They claim to be on Jesus's side, yet everything they do is against Jesus's teachings. It infuriates me.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And that's how some Christians cherrypick when it comes to same-sex marriage being a sin but can justify divorcing their spouse regardless of what Scripture may say.

It's despicable at how these people have ruined Christianity for the sake of their own political agenda. They claim to be on Jesus's side, yet everything they do is against Jesus's teachings. It infuriates me.

It's all a matter of convenience. Plus, a person can say they're X or Y and put on the front of being that (hypocrisy) while doing otherwise behind closed doors.

Take Baptists, for example. The Southern Baptist strand. They consider drinking forbidden yet, I have met a few Southern Baptists who can really put away more booze than 30 dudes at a frat party. In church they pretend piety, at home they can ''sin'' like everyone else they condemn.

Which brings us back to the question of same sex marriage and the LGBTQIA+ community and the hate they receive from certain religious people. Convenience and demonizing.

[Grenartia]

Black couples who adopt white children should not get married because their children will get bullied by racists. This is what you're essentially saying.


In other people's religion it isn't. What are you gonna do when Buddhists marry a gay couple? Invade their temple?



Well that's not equal though is it?

Firstly, I was not saying that about racism. I meant something else.
Secondly, that is THEIR religion. I am not aggressive towards other people that believe other things I do not believe in, except if they are aggressive towards me because of what I believe in.
Thirdly, I already explained that I consider equal marriage and equal rights two different things.

1. Still, pretty shitty argument. Kids will get bullied for fucking anything. If there's nothing overtly obvious to bully a kid for, the bullies will actively look for it. You don't get rid of bullying by getting rid of differences. You get rid of bullying by teaching kids to embrace diversity, and stand up for the victim. That way, any dumbfucks that don't will not only not have an audience, but learn that nobody wants to put up with their bullshit anyhow.

2. What about me? I'm a Christian and I'm LGBT.

3. Opposing marriage equality is inherently opposing equal rights. Cishet people get to marry the person they love. Until recently, same sex couples could not. Therefore, we did not have equal rights.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

2. What about me? I'm a Christian and I'm LGBT.

I ask myself why almost every time I remember that.

[Grenartia]

To everyone wondering why I don't agree with that, I know (in real life) adopted children of LGBT couples who said that they are bullied at school because of having same-sex parents and that they wished they'd have a normal family. One of my friends (adopted child of two mothers) is part of a international organization against LGBT's or something like that. So, basically, there are children who have a bad life due to having two same-sex parents. This is my argument.

In my religion, homosexuality is considered a sin, by the way. And, if anyone will say "You're a freaking homophobe!", I am not. I actually have LGBT friends and I have no problem with them. The thing is that, I believe that you are not born like this, and something/somebody that is part of your life made you be gay/transgender and so on. Because, God (yes, I believe in God, all atheists out there) did the man to be man and girl to be girl. There is no such thing as a boy being born and feeling like a girl inside or vice-versa. There's also no such thing as a girl/boy falling in love with somebody of their own gender, since God did not make us like that.

On the other hand, I agree with LGBT's having equal rights to us, since they are people like that. The only things I don't want to see is LGBT's marrying and having children (I explained why) or LGBT's showing their affection in public.

And you've just proven that you've no idea what you're talking about. Why would any of us choose this, when at the very least, we have to expect shit from people such as yourself and others, telling us we have to be lying when we say we didn't choose this, because you cannot accept the possibility that you're wrong? To say nothing of being beaten, harrassed, raped, killed, etc. Especially in the case of transgender people.

[The Orson Empire]

It's despicable at how these people have ruined Christianity for the sake of their own political agenda. They claim to be on Jesus's side, yet everything they do is against Jesus's teachings. It infuriates me.

It's all a matter of convenience. Plus, a person can say they're X or Y and put on the front of being that (hypocrisy) while doing otherwise behind closed doors.

Take Baptists, for example. The Southern Baptist strand. They consider drinking forbidden yet, I have met a few Southern Baptists who can really put away more booze than 30 dudes at a frat party. In church they pretend piety, at home they can ''sin'' like everyone else they condemn.

Which brings us back to the question of same sex marriage and the LGBTQIA+ community and the hate they receive from certain religious people. Convenience and demonizing.

Ahh yes, I know how hypocritical these people can be. I myself was raised to be a Southern Baptist by my mother, and was formerly a Fundamentalist until I abandoned it when I realized how horrible it was.

The church my family went too was pretty corrupt. People would often put up a front and pretend to be a good Christian while committing devious acts in the background. It got so bad at one point that we stopped going there and went to another church.

[Grenartia]

That's absolute bullshit. Homosexual behavior among Animals has been observed in nature, even among the Chimps we are descended from. Homosexuality is a natural thing, so the next time anybody wants to say 'Oh, Homosexuals weren't born that way!', no. They were. It is an irreplaceable part of them. It is their nature. So if we're going by the God, thing, it would very much seem that God did, in fact, place Homosexuality into Nature on purpose.

God didn't create us to live our lives in Black and White lines. Not all men have to be men, and not all girls have to be Girls. God loves them the same no matter what they do. God is accepting, and if He were to walk on this earth, he would be very much accepting of his Trans and Gay followers. He would love and accept them for who they are, for he is God, and God is kind to all.

And, you know, there have been so many Homophobes here saying "Oh, I'm fine with Homosexuals, but they just can't get married, or adopt kids, or display their affection, or any of that other live stuff that Heterosexual Couples are certainly entitled to!" It's enough. Do you not want the gays to display affection in Public? Well, the Heterosexuals might as well be forced to do so as well. Can't get married? Well, it would be only fair if we banned Homosexuals from getting married too. Can't adopt Children? Well, we might as well apply the same to Heterosexuals, and let the Orphans rot. Yep. How much would you like it, if you're unable to even show your love for the person you love? You cannot say you support Gay equal rights and oppose Gay public affection and be intellectually honest in doing so.

God did NOT place homosexuality in nature. Read the Bible if you are so informed.

I have. Multiple times. Forwards to backwards, backwards to forwards, right side up, upside down, left to right, right to left, and every possible combination thereof. While at a queerphobic Baptist school. And I can assure you, there is nothing in the Bible backing you up. From a Biblical standpoint, your position is a house built on sand.

[The Orson Empire]

God did NOT place homosexuality in nature. Read the Bible if you are so informed.

I have. Multiple times. Forwards to backwards, backwards to forwards, right side up, upside down, left to right, right to left, and every possible combination thereof. While at a queerphobic Baptist school. And I can assure you, there is nothing in the Bible backing you up. From a Biblical standpoint, your position is a house built on sand.

Well, there's that one verse in Leviticus that people always cite.....

[Grenartia]

2. What about me? I'm a Christian and I'm LGBT.

I ask myself why almost every time I remember that.

To make a long story short and simple, I have felt the presence of a higher, supernatural power affecting my life in a positve way. This power best fits the discription of Jesus.

[Grenartia]

I have. Multiple times. Forwards to backwards, backwards to forwards, right side up, upside down, left to right, right to left, and every possible combination thereof. While at a queerphobic Baptist school. And I can assure you, there is nothing in the Bible backing you up. From a Biblical standpoint, your position is a house built on sand.

Well, there's that one verse in Leviticus that people always cite.....

Yeah, but that's about as valid as the dietary laws, and arguably for the same reasons.

[The Alma Mater]

That's absolute bullshit. Homosexual behavior among Animals has been observed in nature, even among the Chimps we are descended from. Homosexuality is a natural thing, so the next time anybody wants to say 'Oh, Homosexuals weren't born that way!', no. They were. It is an irreplaceable part of them. It is their nature. So if we're going by the God, thing, it would very much seem that God did, in fact, place Homosexuality into Nature on purpose.

God didn't create us to live our lives in Black and White lines. Not all men have to be men, and not all girls have to be Girls. God loves them the same no matter what they do. God is accepting, and if He were to walk on this earth, he would be very much accepting of his Trans and Gay followers. He would love and accept them for who they are, for he is God, and God is kind to all.

And, you know, there have been so many Homophobes here saying "Oh, I'm fine with Homosexuals, but they just can't get married, or adopt kids, or display their affection, or any of that other live stuff that Heterosexual Couples are certainly entitled to!" It's enough. Do you not want the gays to display affection in Public? Well, the Heterosexuals might as well be forced to do so as well. Can't get married? Well, it would be only fair if we banned Homosexuals from getting married too. Can't adopt Children? Well, we might as well apply the same to Heterosexuals, and let the Orphans rot. Yep. How much would you like it, if you're unable to even show your love for the person you love? You cannot say you support Gay equal rights and oppose Gay public affection and be intellectually honest in doing so.

God did NOT place homosexuality in nature. Read the Bible if you are so informed.

So God is not the one who created nature ? Is that what you are saying ?

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

I would have preferred it if every state until Utah and Texas got Gay marriage legal.

[New Jordslag]

I would have preferred it if every state until Utah and Texas got Gay marriage legal.

And why?

[Divitaen]

I would have preferred it if every state until Utah and Texas got Gay marriage legal.

Why? I don't get it honestly. The faster the better right? Freedom to marry for everyone?