Marriage Now Fabulous, SCOTUS Rules for Same Sex Marriage

[USS Monitor]

Is marriage not supposed to be gay?

[Cannabis Islands]

Religious colleges will be unable to file for tax-exempt status if they have an honor code prohibiting homosexuality. I happen to attend one of those schools. This ruling of making homosexuality a "right" has more consequences than the LGBT community realizes or is willing to admit.

That's extremely doubtful. Obergefell doesn't establish equal rights for members of the LGBTQ community, nor does it extend civil rights protection to LGBTQ individuals; it merely asserts that there is a right to marry, and that this right applies to LGBTQ individuals as well.

It's a hard distinction for a lot of conservatives to grasp, but it's an important one. There's no right to "be homosexual"; there's a right to marry — which includes the right for same-sex couples to marry — but that's as far as it goes.

Actually, Lawrence V Texas acctually can be looked at as a right for we gay people to be who we are.

[Minoa]

What the? It was clearly time for same sex marriage to be available to those who seek it because of growing attitudes in support of LGBT rights in the west.

[Risottia]

yes you heard me right,a gay man is telling you that his country shouldn't of legalized gay marriage.you may be wondering why i say this. Well,i say this because gay marriage is now being forced onto states where the MAJORITY of the population does not want it,and i simply can't get behind that. i am a believer of democracy,and i can't support forcing an agenda on people who don't want it.

Sorry, those State should have known better when they ratified their statehood and the US Constitution. What the majority in a given State thinks doesn't affect what is a federal competence.

[Ifreann]

Too bad. There's no brakes on this rights train.

Choo choo, motherfuckers.

[The Romulan Republic]

It's the removal of prohibitions, not the imposition of them. CM has the right idea.

This is the kind of thing that should be handled by the police, and if worst comes to worst, the military. Two groups of killers fighting in the streets is hardly a solution.

Though of course, I respect anyone's right to use force to the extent that it is necessary to defend themselves from an immediate threat.

What do you do when many among the police take the KKK's side? Victims of police killings are disproportionately black.

Protest. Sue. Vote for politicians who will support more oversight of police. Takes time, but causes less random destruction of innocent people than gun battles in the street and such.

[Na Dene]

Ready or not: it's here , it's queer, get used to it.

[Auroya]

No, the tyranny of the majority can go fuck off.

[Sebtopiaris]

Blah blah blah YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH

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Great argument, keep up the good work.

[The Celtic British Isles]

is it over.dear god is it over,it was horrible, i will never ever talk about gay marriage or ANYTHING controversial again,it's a death wish,A DEATH WISH

[Laerod]

is it over.dear god is it over,it was horrible, i will never ever talk about gay marriage or ANYTHING controversial again,it's a death wish,A DEATH WISH

Historical precedent shows that waiting until people are "ready" for something in America only results in it never happening. See slavery, interracial marriage, desegregation, etc., for examples.

[Ifreann]

is it over.dear god is it over,it was horrible, i will never ever talk about gay marriage or ANYTHING controversial again,it's a death wish,A DEATH WISH

Yet you're still posting.

[Interzone Inc]

is it over.dear god is it over,it was horrible, i will never ever talk about gay marriage or ANYTHING controversial again,it's a death wish,A DEATH WISH

Historical precedent shows that waiting until people are "ready" for something in America only results in it never happening. See slavery, interracial marriage, desegregation, etc., for examples.

Not just in America. Wherever and whenever people argue for positive social change, you will inevitably hear the refrain "But we're not ready!"

Bullshit. There is never a bad time for liberation. Civil rights and equality before the law are always good. Support the "We're not ready" line, and you're simply giving sustenance to the bigots and religious nuts.

[Sebtopiaris]

is it over.dear god is it over,it was horrible, i will never ever talk about gay marriage or ANYTHING controversial again,it's a death wish,A DEATH WISH

Historical precedent shows that waiting until people are "ready" for something in America only results in it never happening. See slavery, interracial marriage, desegregation, etc., for examples.

This is a reaaaaaly good point. However I would have preferred a referendum among the American people on this in the first place, but now that it's here I guess America's gonna have to deal with it.

[Camelza]

Homophobes are the ones that are not ready, I suggest they man up and face reality.

[Divitaen]

I honestly hate the backlash argument. I hate the argument that "society is not ready" and that "society needs time to 'get used to this'....

I mean, what? Seriously. I do not ever believe there is a single justification for stripping a whole minority of their basic, and most fundamental HUMAN right to equal treatment, worth and dignity that is inherent and irrevocable, on the basis that the majority do not recognise that. That is simply terrible, that the government sacrifices the rights of a minority just to appease and get cozy with a bigoted majority is ridiculous, its like punishing people for being victims, its like ordering a rape victim to be stoned for not being a virgin anymore. I just cannot fathom it.

I know everyone keeps saying "give society time to learn", but no. Here's the thing, people and moderates in society do look to the government as a source of legal and moral legitimacy to a very large extent, the government helps to shape societal perceptions for what is "normal" and "ubiquitous". If you keep gay marriage legal, doesn't that reinforces public perception that homosexuals are unable to be a part of committeed relationships? Doesn't it feed into all the LGBT stereotypes about HIV and prosmiscuity? I think its governmental legitimisation of discrimination, and mindsets will only change if the law changes FIRST.

Look at Brown v. Board of Education. Look at Loving v. Virginia. Look at Roe v. Wade. Look at Lawrence v. Texas. None of them were popular when they were first introduced, all faced backlash on a massive scale. I don't regret any of them one bit. It was the right thing to do. It brought our society forward. So enough with this bullshit about "not ready for gay marriage". Nonsense. We will never be ready until we grant homosexuals the basic right to equality. Its just as simple as that.

[The Celtic British Isles]

is it over.dear god is it over,it was horrible, i will never ever talk about gay marriage or ANYTHING controversial again,it's a death wish,A DEATH WISH

Yet you're still posting.

i came back to look at devastation,the horror of it all

[Ifreann]

Yet you're still posting.

i came back to look at devastation,the horror of it all

And to continue to post. Rather makes a person question your sincerity.

[Dumb Ideologies]

It's not a direct democracy. It's a constitutionally-based republic with separation of powers and protections for rights. If these "majorities" want to change the system they should start a party aimed at abolishing the current system of government and instituting mob rule.

[Ifreann]

It's not a direct democracy. It's a constitutionally-based republic with separation of powers and protections for rights. If these "majorities" want to change the system they should start a party aimed at abolishing the current system of government and instituting mob rule.

And in the future we'll tell people that it was all about states' rights.

[Thessalonaik]

I'm bailing this forum,obviously only 5% of you actually read my first post,and now your all going to turn this forum into a big mess

Well I read it and from a practical standpoint, yes everyone will be divided, but when has the USA ever been united? Pax Americana is at its end. I for one favour any social strife that continues to reduce America to a regional power, incapable of forcing its will upon the world. I suppose that will also mean America will not be able to strongarm Muslim nations into being more progressive, but the last time they tried doing so they just ended up awakening Muslim fundamentalists so perhaps that is also for the best. The point to make is that America is in a very unique position in the world. Lots of space, lots of resources, no military threats to their sovereignty besides foreign infiltrators. Other nations like Russia and China have so many strong foreign pressures on their borders that they can't afford internal strife, that's why their civil rights are fewer than their intelligence bureaus are great. America has no such worries, and its security bureau is the largest in the world (thanks Obama) with all of the American people monitored. What groups can seriously organize violence in America without being tagged, besides lone wolfs who communicate with no one? What foreign powers can seriously agitate disgruntled or marginalized groups in America? No one, except maybe extremist groups without borders - but I'd hardly class Islamism as a nation.
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homosex marriage is fine in murrica, if any states secede I doubt that this would be cited as the reason

I'm fine with it being forced. Democracy is okay, but Democracy needs to be checked, and some things should be above a simple popular vote.

A dangerous, stupid, idiotic precedent. Gay marriage was inevitable in the Western world. The RO Ireland got it by popular referendum of all places. Politicians are not your friends, giving them executive powers unbridled by democracy - you will not be able to complain when those powers are used for things you may not agree with. Democracy arose in Britain as a constitutional check on judicial and political powers of autocrats and aristocrats. It never existed to be checked upon by the new aristocrats. You as Americans are familiar with the phrase of the people, by the people and for the people? Yes?
Oh what a surprise, Obama just gave himself the power to conduct andconclude the TPP unchecked by democracy.
Hehehehehehehe thanks Obama, but concern yourselves more with the right for all to enter into stale business contracts for all whilst your liberties are taken from you

[Ashworth-Attwater]

"America is not ready for the end of segregation."
"America is not ready for abortion."

Blah, blah, blah...

[Ifreann]

I'm fine with it being forced. Democracy is okay, but Democracy needs to be checked, and some things should be above a simple popular vote.

A dangerous, stupid, idiotic precedent. Gay marriage was inevitable in the Western world. The RO Ireland got it by popular referendum of all places.

Of course, Ireland previous banned abortion under all circumstances by popular referendum and it took our courts to permit them when necessary to save women's lives.

[Thessalonaik]

A dangerous, stupid, idiotic precedent. Gay marriage was inevitable in the Western world. The RO Ireland got it by popular referendum of all places.

Of course, Ireland previous banned abortion under all circumstances by popular referendum and it took our courts to permit them when necessary to save women's lives.

To save the lives of the unborn, of an electorate half of whom are women. The Irish referendums in 1992 also highlight that the views of the Irish people were changing, voting by popular referendum to not allow the state's pro-life stance to infringe on a woman's ability to travel to the UK or elsewhere for an abortion. Enlightened despots are not needed in democracy, too often the powers they accrue fall into the hands of despots of less favourable dispositions.

[Cannabis Islands]

A dangerous, stupid, idiotic precedent. Gay marriage was inevitable in the Western world. The RO Ireland got it by popular referendum of all places.

Of course, Ireland previous banned abortion under all circumstances by popular referendum and it took our courts to permit them when necessary to save women's lives.

I find it quite pleasing that the Irish people are telling the RCC to bugger off.