Marriage Now Fabulous, SCOTUS Rules for Same Sex Marriage

[Cannot think of a name]

God hates sin, not sinners.

"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are. It's totally different somehow."

[The Alma Mater]

This is the 2nd Roe v Wade of judicial activism. There is nothing remotely in the US constitution which specifies that gay marriage is a protected right. All marriage used to be under the purview of the states.

That was my understanding too. I think the momentous social change brought upon by activists within the Obama Administration has been forced through too fast and without the required popular consultation.

What was that phrase again ? Ah yes:

“In a world in which gay and lesbian couples live openly as our neighbors, they raise their children side by side with the rest of us, they contribute fully as members of the community . . . it is simply untenable — untenable — to suggest that they can be denied the right of equal participation in an institution of marriage, or that they can be required to wait until the majority decides that it is ready to treat gay and lesbian people as equals,”
-- Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr.

[Mirakai]

Yeah it's not like incest is in the bible or was totally acceptable until very recently.

Incest was punishable by death in the Bible.

Which is why taking the bible literally is a terrible idea

[Laerod]

Yeah it's not like incest is in the bible or was totally acceptable until very recently.

Incest was punishable by death in the Bible.

So's wearing cotton-polyester blends.

[Caracasus]

Please, claims that equate homosexuality (a sexual preference) to incest or polygamy are insulting to both sides of the debate.

Your claims are roughly on a par with "Oh well why don't we let people marry their pets then?" nonsense that completely ignores the fact that there are millions of homosexuals in happy, stable relationships with their respective partners who wish to have the same recognition of their love and commitment as any heterosexual couple does.

Regardless of how you personally morally feel about polygamy or incest, there is no correlation between homosexual relationships and incest or polygamy. They are separate. The difference between a homosexual and a heterosexual relationship is that in a homosexual relationship, both partners are attracted to people of the same sex as themselves. The clue is somewhat in the name.

Nice work USA.

[Saint Kitten]

Yeah it's not like incest is in the bible or was totally acceptable until very recently.

Incest was punishable by death in the Bible.

Which is why it's so prevalent in the book?

[Mavorpen]

Yeah it's not like incest is in the bible or was totally acceptable until very recently.

Incest was punishable by death in the Bible.

Only sometimes.

[Xanama]

Whooo! Welcome to Team Rainbow, America. \o/ We throw the best parties.

First America... THEN THE WORLD

[The Alma Mater]

Yeah it's not like incest is in the bible or was totally acceptable until very recently.

Incest was punishable by death in the Bible.

Really ? Adam and Eve and their children ? Noahs offspring ?

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

Yeah it's not like incest is in the bible or was totally acceptable until very recently.

Incest was punishable by death in the Bible.

We're literally all descended from the same two people, if my Sunday school teacher is to be trusted. Everyone you could possibly have sex with is a family member.

[Saint Kitten]

God hates sin, not sinners.

"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are. It's totally different somehow."

I can't imagine why you'd think that it's the same thing.

[Torisakia]

Whooo! Welcome to Team Rainbow, America. \o/ We throw the best parties.

First America... THEN THE WORLD

Then other planets and universes.

[Napkiraly]

1) That was referring to your criticism of the Inquisition and the Crusades.
2) Yep.
3) Living in shit times with shit views doesn't really excuse said shit views. Understand them? Yep. Excuse? Nope.
4) Hence why I said the good and bad can/should be judged separately.

1)Seems you're putting yourself on a dangerous slippery slope where a large number of historical figures can be subject to personal criticism because they would have held views which are out of touch with modern ideas, 2)even though their personal opinions would mean sweet fuck all in every single context because only their accomplishments still linger on the earth. 3)In which case I have to ask, why even bother considering them at all? Is this part of an argument that you once had from somebody about the founding fathers being the moral compass for all America because that's the only way I could understand the relevance to the topic.

1) I judge many of my personal favorite historical figures. Take Julius Caesar for example. Did many wonderful things. He was also a slaver and a genocidaire who had tons of Gallic tribes wiped out. See point 4.
2) See point 4.
3) It started when someone said that the Founding Fathers would be against this and that's when I said they can go fuck themselves.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

If you truly care about those issues, start a thread about them. Don't cynically use them as a fallacious tool against same-sex marriage.

It's not a fallacy. You call gay "marriage" by the term "marriage quality", but incestors and polygamists cannot marry "who they love". That, by the arguments used to push SSM, is hate and bigotry.

If SSM is legal and holy, then any union between consenting adults over the age of eighteen is also legal and holy. You can't have SSM and let the incestors have their "fundamental right to marry" be oppressed.

[Vista Major]

God have mercy on us all.

I imagine God is partying hard up in Heaven with his cute gay friends because his creations have finally started to get shit right.

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[Ava Ire]

God has truly blessed us this day. LGBT Marriage is now legal in the USA, and will hopefully spread to the entire world. Equality and Love rises above hate and ignorance.

LGBT, Allies and the neutral, you can happily disregard this.

To everyone who thinks that homosexuality (and etc.) is wrong and thought the grace of God couldn't shine through bigotry:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIBfctI ... tu.be&t=9s
Don't you dare use God or Jesus to defend your archaic conservative beliefs, or I will punch you. Obviously, some of you "God-Fearing souls" haven't picked up a real Bible in the last thousand years... I love you all, conservative or not, but let it go.

That's just my 2 cents

Yay now we have the religious against the religious.

Which is not new at all.…..

[The Huskar Social Union]

Whooo! Welcome to Team Rainbow, America. \o/ We throw the best parties.

First America... THEN THE WORLD

All shall fall before the armies of equality!

MWAHAHAH!

[Mefpan]

Given that you are evil enough to support incest

Evil always finds a way.

Aside from that, assuming that it's entirely consensual and that we can at some point in the future make sure that potential offspring are not crippled by genetic defects, then what stands against it other than ridiculously long-lived cultural bias against it prevalent in all levels of society that didn't claim right to rule from a deity?

don't you dare think you have any knowledge of organized religion.

I do dare because the inconsistency between what I've been taught were the core values of Christianity when I was young seem to always, fucking always get ignored in favor of metaphorically throwing stones at people we find icky in some way.

[Autem Galacticus Nexum]

God hates sin, not sinners.

"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are. It's totally different somehow."

That's not how it is. At all. Get it right b0ss.

"I detest of the sin you have, not of the individual you are."

it's like that. Pls get it right next time.

b0ss

Please, claims that equate homosexuality (a sexual preference) to incest or polygamy are insulting to both sides of the debate.

Your claims are roughly on a par with "Oh well why don't we let people marry their pets then?" nonsense that completely ignores the fact that there are millions of homosexuals in happy, stable relationships with their respective partners who wish to have the same recognition of their love and commitment as any heterosexual couple does.

Regardless of how you personally morally feel about polygamy or incest, there is no correlation between homosexual relationships and incest or polygamy. They are separate. The difference between a homosexual and a heterosexual relationship is that in a homosexual relationship, both partners are attracted to people of the same sex as themselves. The clue is somewhat in the name.

Nice work USA.

let me marry my dog you zoophobe

The similarities being compared are the fact that the original biological sexual motive is same-species heterosexuality, and not any other.

[Panchia]

Whooo! Welcome to Team Rainbow, America. \o/ We throw the best parties.

First America... THEN THE WORLD

First Ireland

[TURTLESHROOM II]

"I don't hate you, I just hate who you are. It's totally different somehow."

I can't imagine why you'd think that it's the same thing.

Sodomy is not "who someone is" any more than having sex with a woman is "who I am". You are elevating a sexual act to the innermost being of a person, and if all you see in a person is sex, you're far more gone than I am.

[Mirakai]

If you truly care about those issues, start a thread about them. Don't cynically use them as a fallacious tool against same-sex marriage.

It's not a fallacy. You call gay "marriage" by the term "marriage quality", but incestors and polygamists cannot marry "who they love". That, by the arguments used to push SSM, is hate and bigotry.

If SSM is legal and holy, then any union between consenting adults over the age of eighteen is also legal and holy. You can't have SSM and let the incestors have their "fundamental right to marry" be oppressed.

I still don't see what's wrong with 2 consenting people over the age of 18 marrying...

[Des-Bal]

You know what I mean. I'm going simply by what I understand their views would stem from, as other people have done here.

I don't know what you mean. I don't know what you mean when you say "what [you] understand their views would stem from." I don't think the people who wrote the constitution were talking about this kind of equality. I also don't believe that the constitution was handed down like the ten commandments rather than written by a couple of reasonably smart guys like a legal document and that there's no reason that we shouldn't be able to amend it to reflect the standards that we believe the government should be held to.

[Liriena]

Whooo! Welcome to Team Rainbow, America. \o/ We throw the best parties.

First America... THEN THE WORLD

I imagine the Chinese government is now thinking: "Well, damn, we're running out of excuses not to do it ourselves."

[Laerod]

If you truly care about those issues, start a thread about them. Don't cynically use them as a fallacious tool against same-sex marriage.

It's not a fallacy. You call gay "marriage" by the term "marriage quality", but incestors and polygamists cannot marry "who they love". That, by the arguments used to push SSM, is hate and bigotry.

If SSM is legal and holy, then any union between consenting adults over the age of eighteen is also legal and holy. You can't have SSM and let the incestors have their "fundamental right to marry" be oppressed.

No, that's stupid. That's like saying murder should be legal because killing in self-defense is legal, because after all, they're both basically killing.