Marriage Now Fabulous, SCOTUS Rules for Same Sex Marriage

[The Empire of Pretantia]

States do not have sovereignty to oppress people. This isn't news.

Every single law could be said to oppress some segment of the population to some extent. If gay marriage is legal, I want prostitution for example, to be legal nationwide.

You could fuck who you want but you couldn't marry who you want until now. Laws against prostitution don't oppress people.

Not that I'm against prostitution; it's just the two are incomparable.

Every single law could be said to oppress some segment of the population to some extent. If gay marriage is legal, I want prostitution for example, to be legal nationwide.

So do I. Feel free to start a thread about it.

This please.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Now that is how to be a world leader. Excellent, well done America.

[Saiwania]

Is this attempting to be an argument saying that because one thing isn't done correctly yet, we shouldn't start doing all the other things right either?

It is an argument that slippery slopes do come true. Who knows what will come next after this, but I know it will be something.

[Ganos Lao]

So are you saying all religion should be destroyed? Because it's not just Christians who look down on homosexuality if I recall correctly.

I mean, being gay in the Middle East earns you a one way trip to the crane while your pre-execution picture adorns wish fulfillment posts on II.

The phrasing was weird. I don't think the idea was "in order for intolerance to be fixed all other churches must be destroyed", it was " in order for intolerance to be destroyed, we will need the other churches"

Well, the thing is that the Evangelical community of the United States isn't going to care if those damn Mary worshipping Papists start tolerating homosexuality.

They're the only Christian group, at least in an American context, that matters most.

Worldwide? Well, sure, they'd help, but then you'd run into the Muslims and other non-Christians.

[Liriena]

How about this:
Red states keep gay marriage illegal
Blue states have it legal
people can move to different states to have gay marriage if they want to, instead of forcing onto all of us

It doesn't fucking affect you in any negative way, and having it unrecognized negatively affects those who need it. There is literally no reason to have a patchwork quilt of varying levels of equality across this nation.

I shouldn't /HAVE/ to move to another state to not be treated like a second class citizen.

Congrats, Gren.

[Val Halla]

I am very happy now. I can move to America and marry my sweetheart, and it'll be nationally recognized :3

Congrats.

Thank you

Was there anything about homosexuals not being able to give blood changing too?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Congrats.

Thank you

Was there anything about homosexuals not being able to give blood changing too?

No.

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

The phrasing was weird. I don't think the idea was "in order for intolerance to be fixed all other churches must be destroyed", it was " in order for intolerance to be destroyed, we will need the other churches"

Well, the thing is that the Evangelical community of the United States isn't going to care if those damn Mary worshipping Papists start tolerating homosexuality.

They're the only Christian group, at least in an American context, that matters most.

Worldwide? Well, sure, they'd help, but then you'd run into the Muslims and other non-Christians.

Yeah, it's pretty fucking ridiculous the number of uniquely American heresies that exist. The bible idolatry, climate change denial, YEC, etc.

[Val Halla]

Thank you

Was there anything about homosexuals not being able to give blood changing too?

No.

That's kinda dumb, I hope this doesn't get overlooked.

[The Floating Island of the Sleeping God]

Thank you

Was there anything about homosexuals not being able to give blood changing too?

No.

It makes me upsettingly conscious of my privilege that I literally forgot that was a thing.

[Neutraligon]

Is this attempting to be an argument saying that because one thing isn't done correctly yet, we shouldn't start doing all the other things right either?

It is an argument that slippery slopes do come true. Who knows what will come next after this, but I know it will be something.

Considering prostitution and ssm are not related, it is not an example of it coming true. Something always comes next even if the decision had been made the opposite way, something still would come next, that is kinda how the world works.

[Napkiraly]

How about this:
Red states keep gay marriage illegal
Blue states have it legal
people can move to different states to have gay marriage if they want to, instead of forcing onto all of us

Or how about no? People should be able to live where they want and be able to get married where they want.

[Ganos Lao]

Congrats.

Thank you

Was there anything about homosexuals not being able to give blood changing too?

Nope. It's still FDA policy to turn them away.

Men who have had sex with other men (MSM), at any time since 1977 (the beginning of the AIDS epidemic in the United States) are currently deferred as blood donors. This is because MSM are, as a group, at increased risk for HIV, hepatitis B and certain other infections that can be transmitted by transfusion.

I figure this is because once they figured out that just not caring who was donating blood at all and seeing everyone dropping like flies as a result, they shifted to "well, then they just can't donate at all then, happy now?" and called it a day.

[Neutraligon]

No.

That's kinda dumb, I hope this doesn't get overlooked.

I think there was a change before this. Something about when they could give blood, think 1 year from last having sex.

[The 502nd SS]

How about this:
Red states keep gay marriage illegal
Blue states have it legal
people can move to different states to have gay marriage if they want to, instead of forcing onto all of us

Dude, you already lost this fight. You're not going to get any compromises from us.

why do you think I stopped posting a few pages ago? Its pointless to argue with y'all because it won't accomplish anything in real life

[Laerod]

How about this:
Red states keep gay marriage illegal
Blue states have it legal
people can move to different states to have gay marriage if they want to, instead of forcing onto all of us

This is a terrible idea for a very large number of important reasons.

It's like he completely missed the part about how a US sergeant and his husband sued because the former got stationed in Tennessee and suddenly their marriage was effectively invalid.

[Ganos Lao]

That's kinda dumb, I hope this doesn't get overlooked.

I think there was a change before this. Something about when they could give blood.

There's been calls to alter the policy, but nothing has changed.

Here's the FDA's stance if you wish to know.

[Keyboard Warriors]

Give them a pass for what? Their beliefs? What crimes did they commit that are comparable to the genocides of the inquisition and the crusades?

For their shit views?

Oh but hunting down heretics and unbelievers was the norm back then. Why are you being harsh?

Did they actually hunt down heretics and unbelievers back then? They personally engaged in witch hunts? You hold your opinions because you're blessed to live in a time where you can listen and discuss plenty of different view points. They didn't. Sometimes, people are bigots because they just don't know any better, not because they're fuckwits or whatever it was that you said before. Their personal beliefs seem rather irrelevant to their accomplishments.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Is this attempting to be an argument saying that because one thing isn't done correctly yet, we shouldn't start doing all the other things right either?

It is an argument that slippery slopes do come true.

Not here it isn't.

[Napkiraly]

I am very happy now. I can move to America and marry my sweetheart, and it'll be nationally recognized :3

Congratulations, Val.

[Trotskylvania]

Isn't this celebration a bit premature?

Edit: Still, cool beans.

Nope, the Supreme Court is the court-of-last-resort in the US. There can be no appeal of this decision. The only recourse opponents have is a constitutional amendment, a very difficult process made all the more difficult by the long history of jurisprudence that had long held that marriage is one of the fundamental rights of mankind.

[Liriena]

Is this attempting to be an argument saying that because one thing isn't done correctly yet, we shouldn't start doing all the other things right either?

It is an argument that slippery slopes do come true.

How? You are the one calling for the legalisation of prostitution. If the person appealing to the slippery slope fallacy is the one coming up with the "next step" in the slope, I don't think it even qualifies as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Who knows what will come next after this, but I know it will be something.

And? If something you dislike comes after this, argue against it in its own terms. Come up with arguments against that something. Don't throw a legitimate social, political and cultural movement under the bus just because you are afraid to deal with a future issue.

[Des-Bal]

I like gay marriage and I hate arbitrary government restrictions but I understand the dissents. This is more like the court deciding something is good than deciding it's supported by the constitution. Of course the same could be said about interracial marriage or basically anything that the courts done recently.

[Neutraligon]

I think there was a change before this. Something about when they could give blood.

There's been calls to alter the policy, but nothing has changed.

Here's the FDA's stance if you wish to know.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/24/healt ... .html?_r=0

[Saiwania]

I bet that 20 years or so from now, people will be absurd enough to want the right to marry their dog protected by law.