Confederate Emblems to be Removed Nationwide.

[Ifreann]

Ain't this a dream come true.

People have finally come to their senses to remove ALL trace of it.

I'm fine with not flying it on government buildings and what not but who's fucking idea was it to to stop selling merchandise, and stuff just because it had it on?

That would be the people who are selling those things.

You wanna take that a step further and I don't know ban...

Companies choosing to stop selling particular products is not a ban.

[Dyakovo]

It was a foreign nation that was once at war with the USA.

No, it wasn't.

[Pope Joan]

The Supreme Court has declared that this is not a matter of individual free speech, but of government speech.

In point of fact, it is an insurrectionist flag and should be removed for that reason alone.

[Divitaen]

Ain't this a dream come true.

People have finally come to their senses to remove ALL trace of it.

I'm fine with not flying it on government buildings and what not but who's fucking idea was it to to stop selling merchandise, and stuff just because it had it on?

You wanna take that a step further and I don't know ban the Nazi Germany flag and Japanese flag from being sold as well? I mean that shit was much more recent and took more lives but hey no they can keep living in their own imaginary world....

Look, to be perfectly honest in a perfect world I would want that thing kept to only classrooms and museums. It should never be used for expressions of racism and racial oppression, I think a civilised society has moved on from that. As I mentioned in an earlier post, Thompson made it very clear that the flag stood for white racial supremacy. It is a form of hate speech, and just like how we detest the offense the Nazi flag causes to the Jewish community, there ought to be restrictions on a symbol that is clearly offensive to the African-American community.

But at least you agree it shouldn't be on government buildings. If you have it in your own home, that's one thing, but for the government to sponsor and venerate racism is quite another thing entirely.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

When a symbol of blatant treason and slavery is considered "heritage", there's something wrong with that culture.

It's not a symbol of slavery, it's a symbol of state pride.

You know... we do have state flags...

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Haven't more people been massacred and killed unjustly under the US flag than any Confederate flag?

Let's ban it too.

No one's banning anything, sweetie.

Are you aware of how condescending the "sweetie" is at the end of of about every one of your posts?

Anyways, I'm okay with this. The government shouldn't be glorifying a traitorous flag, and companies should be able to sell or not sell just about anything, so long as it is legal.

[Ifreann]

It's not a symbol of slavery, it's a symbol of state pride.

You know... we do have state flags...

But those don't adequately represent how proud one is that one's state tried to establish a slave empire.

[Dyakovo]

No one's banning anything, sweetie.

Are you aware of how condescending the "sweetie" is at the end of of about every one of your posts?

Anyways, I'm okay with this. The government shouldn't be glorifying a traitorous flag, and companies should be able to sell or not sell just about anything, so long as it is legal.

Yes, sweetie, he is.

[White Chrobatia]

As a non-American looking in, I don't think states (with the exception of Texas) can vote to leave the country, that was the issue that actually sparked the Civil War and was resolved at the end of the conflict.

Though I do think that states should have that ability to keep the central government in check.

Texas can't either and never could. Despite popular belief there's no "get out of the union free" clause in the Texas state constitution.

You're a bit late on this one, I've already been corrected, by someone with a much more pleasant demeanor. Thanks though.

I apologize that the legality of Texan secession isn't taught in non-American schools.

[Benuty]

You know... we do have state flags...

But those don't adequately represent how proud one is that one's state tried to establish a slave empire.

Don't be like that.

We all know the only true slave empire was Brazil.

[Dyakovo]

You know... we do have state flags...

But those don't adequately represent how proud one is that one's state tried to establish a slave empire.

Well, unless it's the Mississippi flag...

[White Chrobatia]

But those don't adequately represent how proud one is that one's state tried to establish a slave empire.

Don't be like that.

We all know the only true slave empire was Brazil.

Or Liberia.

[Dyakovo]

Texas can't either and never could. Despite popular belief there's no "get out of the union free" clause in the Texas state constitution.

You're a bit late on this one, I've already been corrected, by someone with a much more pleasant demeanor. Thanks though.

I apologize that the legality of Texan secession isn't taught in non-American schools.

Apology denied.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Are you aware of how condescending the "sweetie" is at the end of of about every one of your posts?

Anyways, I'm okay with this. The government shouldn't be glorifying a traitorous flag, and companies should be able to sell or not sell just about anything, so long as it is legal.

Yes, sweetie, he is.

Meh, snark over substance might as well be the NSG motto, then.

[The Qeiiam Galaxy]

I seem to recall from previous threads that the Confederacy actually had their eyes on lots of other people's land and very much wanted to spread their "peculiar institution" there.

Indeed. Prior to the secession and civil war, a number of Southerners led private military expeditions into Central America in order to create new slave states. Had the Confederacy won there is no doubt in my mind that these would have continued under the direct support of the Confederate government.

Indeed. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... the Golden Circle!

[Kelinfort]

Are the Confederate States still a nation today? Nope. So red herring there.

Was the CSA ever a country? They may have declared themselves one, but the Union did not recognise is as such. Hilariously hypocritical given how the Union came to be, but regardless, since the north won the war, the prevailing government can - and did - refuse to recognise that the Confederacy was ever a country. At least, I'm pretty sure.

If someone has a source that indicates the CSA was recognised as a nation by the Union, I'd be much obliged.

It's so hypocritical to stop a secession on your home soil and when you're a republic *nod*

The South had extremely high political power given their population. They were used to controlling the national discussion and having pro slavery presidents. The fact they undemocratically secedes makes no hypocrisy whatsoever.

[Steamtopia]

Yes, sweetie, he is.

Meh, snark over substance might as well be the NSG motto, then.

You mean it isn't already?

[Gauthier]

Meh, snark over substance might as well be the NSG motto, then.

You mean it isn't already?

That would be "It's a valid statement that you have to argue down."

[Steamtopia]

You mean it isn't already?

That would be "It's a valid statement that you have to argue down."

It's a valid statement you have to snark down.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Meh, snark over substance might as well be the NSG motto, then.

You mean it isn't already?

It's defacto, sort of an unsaid motto. We need to make this motto official, get moderation and Max Barry involved.

[Ifreann]

No one's banning anything, sweetie.

Are you aware of how condescending the "sweetie" is at the end of of about every one of your posts?

Of course. I try to restrain my condescension to people who are saying obviously wrong things, so I don't think it's quite every post, but if someone's going to avoid learning even the first thing about any given situation then I don't see the problem with addressing them as though they don't know the first thing about the situation in question.

[Republic of Coldwater]

More that needs to be changed: 10 US Army bases are named after Confederate officers. Yes, the US Army names its bases after enemy officers.

I'd change Fort Lee to Fort Thomas.

They should rename Fort Bragg and Fort Hood, just because Braxton Bragg was a complete retard, and Hood for allowing Lincoln to be re-elected in Atlanta, and launching that absolutely retarded attack in Franklin.

Otherwise, this is just a memory of Confederate Generals, many of which fought because of their allegiance to their state, and many of which were ingenious generals that undertook some of the most audacious and tactically impressive of moves (for example Lee in the Northern Virginia and Chancellorsville Campaign), moves that are still revered, and studied today.

[Des-Bal]

I don't care what people do in their personal lives with their personal property, it has no place in the government, it is definitely offensive. I probably missed a few bullets but there's my spiel.

[Ifreann]

I'd change Fort Lee to Fort Thomas.

They should rename Fort Bragg and Fort Hood, just because Braxton Bragg was a complete retard, and Hood for allowing Lincoln to be re-elected in Atlanta, and launching that absolutely retarded attack in Franklin.

Otherwise, this is just a memory of Confederate Generals, many of which fought because of their allegiance to their state, and many of which were ingenious generals that undertook some of the most audacious and tactically impressive of moves (for example Lee in the Northern Virginia and Chancellorsville Campaign), moves that are still revered, and studied today.

More that needs to be changed: 10 US Army bases are named after Confederate officers. Yes, the US Army names its bases after enemy officers.

Fort Bin Laden, anyone?

[Divitaen]

I'd change Fort Lee to Fort Thomas.

They should rename Fort Bragg and Fort Hood, just because Braxton Bragg was a complete retard, and Hood for allowing Lincoln to be re-elected in Atlanta, and launching that absolutely retarded attack in Franklin.

Otherwise, this is just a memory of Confederate Generals, many of which fought because of their allegiance to their state, and many of which were ingenious generals that undertook some of the most audacious and tactically impressive of moves (for example Lee in the Northern Virginia and Chancellorsville Campaign), moves that are still revered, and studied today.

If the country they served was founded on the principle of preserving and prolonging slavery, then they do not deserve to be revered in that way. Maybe erect a memorial for all the dead soldiers, but don't rename whole forts and roads after Confederate generals. Defenders of white supremacy and slavery don't deserve such permanent and structural veneration.