Confederate Emblems to be Removed Nationwide.

[Doolanth]

Don't like it... Don't look at it! Problem solved.

*sigh*

Problem?

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/us/south-carolina-confederate-flag-dylann-roof.html

I disagree with this, because I don't belive the Confederate Battle Flag to be a symbol of racism. But I posted this to hear the thoughts and opinions of those on NSG. So, what is your stance on this issue?

UPDATE: After Nikki's speech, the house speaker in Mississippi called for a removal of the Confederate Battle Flagr to be removed from the state flag, and Walmart and Sears have ceased selling Confederate items.

Well, you have to remember, that flag came to symbolise racism because of the fact it was used as a symbol for the DEFENSE of slavery.
This symbol was also used by racist groups including the Ku Klux Klan during their "patriotic" lynching sprees.
So yeah it may symbolise the history of the South, but that would mean slavery would be a part of it.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Racist.

But I'm not racist, I'm just a fan of history, and the Civil War is my favorite subject.

This is what Civil War reenactments are for. Not a good excuse to fly Confederate flags anywhere else.

It is an interesting subject, though. Lately, I've been reading up on the battle of Hampton Roads for a short story I am writing.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

*sigh*

Problem?

Do you think you'll last very long before another ban?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It is an interesting subject, though. Lately, I've been reading up on the battle of Hampton Roads for a short story I am writing.

*offers experience in actually having lived there*

[Doolanth]

Problem?

Do you think you'll last very long before another ban?

Nah bruh
What do you people have against trolling? I mean really. It's just some harmless fun!

[Tayner]

This right here ^^

I hid this thread with NS++, and came back to NSG seeing someone AGREEING with me?
Thanks.

I didn't see that earlier, but those are the most beautiful words I have seen in this discussion so far. You're one of like five people on this discussion who actually want the flag to stay/don't care.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Do you think you'll last very long before another ban?

Nah bruh
What do you people have against trolling? I mean really. It's just some harmless fun!

It's against the rules, and we at least try to keep a certain sense of decorum about this forum.

[Wallenburg]

Tayner, please explain your new topic title, considering it amounts to nothing but bullshit.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Do you think you'll last very long before another ban?

Nah bruh
What do you people have against trolling? I mean really. It's just some harmless fun!

It's also against the site rules.

[West Aurelia]

A bill was introduced in the SC Senate to remove the flag:

[Tayner]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/us/south-carolina-confederate-flag-dylann-roof.html

I disagree with this, because I don't belive the Confederate Battle Flag to be a symbol of racism. But I posted this to hear the thoughts and opinions of those on NSG. So, what is your stance on this issue?

UPDATE: After Nikki's speech, the house speaker in Mississippi called for a removal of the Confederate Battle Flagr to be removed from the state flag, and Walmart and Sears have ceased selling Confederate items.

Well, you have to remember, that flag came to symbolise racism because of the fact it was used as a symbol for the DEFENSE of slavery.
This symbol was also used by racist groups including the Ku Klux Klan during their "patriotic" lynching sprees.
So yeah it may symbolise the history of the South, but that would mean slavery would be a part of it.

It came to symbolize racism because racist people flew it. Before that it was a flag that the Confederate armies flew in battle. Most of the soldiers didn't even care about slavery, they were just defending their homes. But it's groups like the KKK and other racist people that the flag came to symbolize hate.

[Doolanth]

Nah bruh
What do you people have against trolling? I mean really. It's just some harmless fun!

It's also against the site rules.

Nah bruh
What do you people have against trolling? I mean really. It's just some harmless fun!

It's against the rules, and we at least try to keep a certain sense of decorum about this forum.

But ask yourselves why? it's against the rules, cause it shouldn't be...

[New haven america]

Well, it should have stopped being used at the end of The Civil War, but this is progress at least.

Besides, the Confederate flag is rather ugly.

I actually like the design. It's just the association with assholes that is ugly.

Eh, I'm not really a fan of the design, never really appealed to me.

And the association with the CSA just makes it worse.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It came to symbolize racism because racist people flew it. Before that it was a flag that the Confederate armies flew in battle. Most of the soldiers didn't even care about slavery, they were just defending their homes. But it's groups like the KKK and other racist people that the flag came to symbolize hate.

Yeah. Literally the only reason it became popular and was brought out of honorable retirement, where it belonged as a former battle standard, was in opposition to the Civil Rights Movement.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

But ask yourselves why? it's against the rules, cause it shouldn't be...

This is not the topic. Perhaps you should either leave the site or try to converse normally, because you've already admitted to being here solely to troll.

[Tayner]

Tayner, please explain your new topic title, considering it amounts to nothing but bullshit.

Nationwide, people are trying to remove the Confederate flag. Walmart and Sears stopped selling them, and the Mississippi house speaker is calling for a removal of the Confederate battle flag from their state flag.

Doesn't sound like bullshit to me.

[Mysterious Stranger 2]

You don't really get to decide when you're forgiven. The person who you hurt decides when you're forgiven. And white southerners aren't the ones in a position to declare the flag reclaimed from confederate slavemasters and neo-confederate terrorists. Its the black community that makes that choice, and an overwhelming majority consider the flag an offensive and unacceptable symbol.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/42/be/4e/42be4e772a598b4481094d4c069bacc9.jpg

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Well, you have to remember, that flag came to symbolise racism because of the fact it was used as a symbol for the DEFENSE of slavery.
This symbol was also used by racist groups including the Ku Klux Klan during their "patriotic" lynching sprees.
So yeah it may symbolise the history of the South, but that would mean slavery would be a part of it.

It came to symbolize racism because racist people flew it. Before that it was a flag that the Confederate armies flew in battle. Most of the soldiers didn't even care about slavery, they were just defending their homes. But it's groups like the KKK and other racist people that the flag came to symbolize hate.

Well to be fair, the same argument can be made about the Nazi flag, and that one no longer flies in the same way it did in the 30s and 40s.

[Doolanth]

But ask yourselves why? it's against the rules, cause it shouldn't be...

This is not the topic. Perhaps you should either leave the site or try to converse normally, because you've already admitted to being here solely to troll.

Ok. I'll go report myself

[Mysterious Stranger 2]

This is not the topic. Perhaps you should either leave the site or try to converse normally, because you've already admitted to being here solely to troll.

Ok. I'll go report myself

With a sig like that, you'll be on this site for approximately five minutes. Don't get too comfortable.

[New haven america]

Well, you have to remember, that flag came to symbolise racism because of the fact it was used as a symbol for the DEFENSE of slavery.
This symbol was also used by racist groups including the Ku Klux Klan during their "patriotic" lynching sprees.
So yeah it may symbolise the history of the South, but that would mean slavery would be a part of it.

It came to symbolize racism because racist people flew it. Before that it was a flag that the Confederate armies flew in battle. Most of the soldiers didn't even care about slavery, they were just defending their homes. But it's groups like the KKK and other racist people that the flag came to symbolize hate.

And the Confederate army was racist because they were fighting to protect the CSA, who was fighting to protect the right to use people as slaves.

[Wallenburg]

Tayner, please explain your new topic title, considering it amounts to nothing but bullshit.

Nationwide, people are trying to remove the Confederate flag. Walmart and Sears stopped selling them, and the Mississippi house speaker is calling for a removal of the Confederate battle flag from their state flag.

Doesn't sound like bullshit to me.

1) One flag is being removed. Walmart and Sears are making the decision as private entities to stop adding to the pool of confederate flags.
2) You make it sound like ALL flags are being removed everywhere in the US.
3) The Confederate battle flag is not the only Confederate emblem.

[Tayner]

It came to symbolize racism because racist people flew it. Before that it was a flag that the Confederate armies flew in battle. Most of the soldiers didn't even care about slavery, they were just defending their homes. But it's groups like the KKK and other racist people that the flag came to symbolize hate.

Well to be fair, the same argument can be made about the Nazi flag, and that one no longer flies in the same way it did in the 30s and 40s.

Some people still fly the Nazi flag, but the same argument can't be used.

See, Germany was offensive, and imperialist, and they also committed one of the worst genocides in history.

But the Confederacy just wanted to defend their land and keep things the way they were.

Completeish opposites.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Well to be fair, the same argument can be made about the Nazi flag, and that one no longer flies in the same way it did in the 30s and 40s.

Some people still fly the Nazi flag, but the same argument can't be used.

See, Germany was offensive, and imperialist, and they also committed one of the worst genocides in history.

But the Confederacy just wanted to defend their land and keep things the way they were.

Completeish opposites.

Not really, because both fought with the mind set of racial supremacy, and as such aren't different at all. Sure the circumstances were different, however if the mindset was exactly the same then who cares about circumstance, they might as well be the same nation.