Confederate Emblems to be Removed Nationwide.

[Juristonia]

How come this is allowed but this isn't???

I'm assuming you don't expect a serious response to that.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

How come this is allowed but this isn't???

What do you mean by allowed? Private citizens are allowed to fly either. Some state governments have decided not to fly the second. No state government in America is flying the first.

[Nichmerica]

You just don't get it. Jeez. I'm talking around two hundred years or so. I mean come on by then they could have drone to do it, which would be easier. Just because they didn't use it then doesn't mean they wouldn't use it two hundred years later.

We still haven't gotten rid of labor yet, you know. Most serious economists don't think we ever will.

Or, to put it differently, you're essentially telling me that the Confederacy c. 2015 AD would have slaves making iPhones instead of picking cotton. That might not be very good for China, but I'm hard-pressed to see how that would be better for American blacks.

My ARGUMENT FAILED. ITS OVER. So you can stop destroying it further.

[The Cobalt Sky]

How come this is allowed but this isn't???

What do you mean by allowed? Private citizens are allowed to fly either. Some state governments have decided not to fly the second. No state government in America is flying the first.

Little known fact: "The Islamic State" actually refers to Kentucky.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

We still haven't gotten rid of labor yet, you know. Most serious economists don't think we ever will.

Or, to put it differently, you're essentially telling me that the Confederacy c. 2015 AD would have slaves making iPhones instead of picking cotton. That might not be very good for China, but I'm hard-pressed to see how that would be better for American blacks.

My ARGUMENT FAILED. ITS OVER. So you can stop destroying it further.

Yes, now he's destroying Omega America II's argument.

[Nichmerica]

My ARGUMENT FAILED. ITS OVER. So you can stop destroying it further.

Yes, now he's destroying Omega America II's argument.

I am Omega America's puppet. And yes, I probably deserve to get that rubbed in my face.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Yes, now he's destroying Omega America II's argument.

I am Omega America's puppet. And yes, I probably deserve to get that rubbed in my face.

Ah.

[Nichmerica]

I am Omega America's puppet. And yes, I probably deserve to get that rubbed in my face.

Ah.

That's what everyone says

[Braydia]

HAY FOR ALL THOSE LIBERAL WHY DO YOU HATE THE CONFEDERATE FLAG

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73 ... 62d1bb.jpg

[Alien Space Bats]

See, you think slavery just means hard labor. It hardly does. Greek teachers were slaves, too, during the Roman Empire/Republic.

This is why George R. R. Martin's series "A Song of Ice and Fire" is worth reading (screw the HBO series; no, seriously, screw it completely). His descriptions of Volantis are right to the point: There are slaves everywhere, doing everything imaginable under the sun; some are servants, some are domestic laborers, some are sex workers, some are soldiers, some are even priests and priestesses in the various Volantene temples. Tyrion Lannister, who comes from Westeros (where slavery is banned), marvels at just how many slaves there are and all the different things they're doing.

People assume that slavery is just one thing, and that it isn't (and can't be anything else); but even in the antebellum South, the evolution of slavery and slave ownership was remarkable. Worse still, it was beginning to mate with 19th Century industrial capitalism in places like Richmond's Tredegar Iron Works.

If you're a Critical Theorist, imagining the synthesis of antebellum slavery with 19th Century industrial capitalism is enough to turn one's blood to ice and to cause one's mind to gibber in utter Lovecraftean horror. I think slavery would have flourished, expanded, and evolved dynamically in a successfully established Confederate States of America, rather than "necessarily" dying out "in just a few years" as neo-Confederate apologists invariably assert.

[East Catalina]

HAY FOR ALL THOSE LIBERAL WHY DO YOU HATE THE CONFEDERATE FLAG

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73 ... 62d1bb.jpg

Is this actionable or not? Because I like big boobies and I cannot lie.

[Alien Space Bats]

Slavery is highly profitable because it's basically free human capital (not really free, because you have to take care of their needs, but relatively free); so I sincerely doubt it'd have ended with changes in technology.

It's not just free (well, really, cheap) human capital; it's also a framework for neglecting and denying labor rights, civil rights, human rights, political representation, and a host of other "ills" that many modern conservatives wish we didn't have to contend with today. Even if slaves were no more efficient (in terms of labor cost) than free laborers (or even if they were marginally LESS efficient in some respects), not having to contend with workers who actually have RIGHTS is a REALLY big plus if you're looking to build the "right" kind of (deeply exploitative) society.

No, I'm still not seeing why slavery would go away (absent war with an abolitionist power or revolution). Not ever.

[Spirit of Hope]

Slavery is highly profitable because it's basically free human capital (not really free, because you have to take care of their needs, but relatively free); so I sincerely doubt it'd have ended with changes in technology.

It's not just free (well, really, cheap) human capital; it's also a framework for neglecting and denying labor rights, civil rights, human rights, political representation, and a host of other "ills" that many modern conservatives wish we didn't have to contend with today. Even if slaves were no more efficient (in terms of labor cost) than free laborers (or even if they were marginally LESS efficient in some respects), not having to contend with workers who actually have RIGHTS is a REALLY big plus if you're looking to build the "right" kind of (deeply exploitative) society.

No, I'm still not seeing why slavery would go away (absent war with an abolitionist power or revolution). Not ever.

I could see it going away without war, for the Confederacy sanctions from most of the first world likely would have reduced the viability of slavery during the late 20th century (building things is only profitable if you export them). The problem is the Confederacy could outlaw slavery and continue to treat the former slaves almost as badly, and the countries that were sanctioning them would probably go home saying "yay no more slavery."

[Alien Space Bats]

So if you're a thoroughly racist Southerner (and Confederate society was ABSOLUTELY racist), what's not to love about this scenario?

I wasn't intending to be racist.

Not "you" personally, but the indirect "you" (because it sounds better than saying "So if one is a thoroughly racist Southerner...").

[Alien Space Bats]

My ARGUMENT FAILED. ITS OVER. So you can stop destroying it further.

It's a common argument, and one that needs to be shredded, crushed, melted and buried a thousand feet below the earth in lead-lined barrels surrounded by salt, so that people will stop using it forevermore.

You're not the first, after all.

[Omega America II]

I wasn't intending to be racist.

Not "you" personally, but the indirect "you" (because it sounds better than saying "So if one is a thoroughly racist Southerner...").

Ok.

[Omega America II]

My ARGUMENT FAILED. ITS OVER. So you can stop destroying it further.

It's a common argument, and one that needs to be shredded, crushed, melted and buried a thousand feet below the earth in lead-lined barrels surrounded by salt, so that people will stop using it forevermore.

You're not the first, after all.

It actually makes sense to me. But that's just me.

[Novus America]

It's not just free (well, really, cheap) human capital; it's also a framework for neglecting and denying labor rights, civil rights, human rights, political representation, and a host of other "ills" that many modern conservatives wish we didn't have to contend with today. Even if slaves were no more efficient (in terms of labor cost) than free laborers (or even if they were marginally LESS efficient in some respects), not having to contend with workers who actually have RIGHTS is a REALLY big plus if you're looking to build the "right" kind of (deeply exploitative) society.

No, I'm still not seeing why slavery would go away (absent war with an abolitionist power or revolution). Not ever.

I could see it going away without war, for the Confederacy sanctions from most of the first world likely would have reduced the viability of slavery during the late 20th century (building things is only profitable if you export them). The problem is the Confederacy could outlaw slavery and continue to treat the former slaves almost as badly, and the countries that were sanctioning them would probably go home saying "yay no more slavery."

First, "building things is only profitable if you export" them is totally FALSE. The U.S. has massive industry, which primarily produces products for the domestic market. Russia too, mostly produces industrial goods for the domestic market.

Ever heard of Coca Cola? Do you know why it has a slightly different taste and different products in different countries? The Coca Cola sold in the U.S. is made in the U.S. The stuff sold in China is made in China. Transportation costs are a thing. A HUGE thing. And the CSA would have cheap labor an abundant resources.

The huge problem, as ASB points out we in the West enthusiastically buy products made by de facto slaves or otherwise horribly mistreated workers in China,
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/are-your- ... 33547.html

and support places like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. So maybe instead of being called slaves blacks would be treated like Indonesian laborors in Qatar, ie. not much better. We do not give a s**t about human rights in China and Qatar, so why we we would we care about the CSA?

Plus they could trade with place like Saudi Arabia, China, Russia and the like (who we also trade with, in fact we have outsourced our entire manned space flight program to Russia).

Saying slavery would end is doubtful as it is still widespread.

And unlike say Rhodesia or South Africa the CSA would have a white majority so the system would be sustainable and "justified" as majority rule.

Plus, especially after they annexed Mexico, Central America, and the Carribean
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ ... ed_country)

The CSA would be a huge oil producing state, basically a less opressive but still awful Saudi Arabia. Or very similar to Putin's Russia.

[Novus America]

Slavery is highly profitable because it's basically free human capital (not really free, because you have to take care of their needs, but relatively free); so I sincerely doubt it'd have ended with changes in technology.

It's not just free (well, really, cheap) human capital; it's also a framework for neglecting and denying labor rights, civil rights, human rights, political representation, and a host of other "ills" that many modern conservatives wish we didn't have to contend with today. Even if slaves were no more efficient (in terms of labor cost) than free laborers (or even if they were marginally LESS efficient in some respects), not having to contend with workers who actually have RIGHTS is a REALLY big plus if you're looking to build the "right" kind of (deeply exploitative) society.

No, I'm still not seeing why slavery would go away (absent war with an abolitionist power or revolution). Not ever.

"As Quartz notes, a new report from the Walk Free Foundation, The Global Slavery Index, has estimated that there are 30 million slaves in the world today, with more than half of them in production hubs such as India, China and Russia."

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/are-your- ... 33547.html

Also the CSA did have slaves who worked in factories. The CSA was mostly argricultural but still had factories, and was trying to industrialize.

And the cotton gin made slaves more productive. It actually encouraged Slavery. Why would tractors and combines be any different than steam trains and cotton gins in discouraging slavery?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_slave
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tredegar_Iron_Works

[Dyakovo]

How come this is allowed but this isn't???

Both are allowed.

[Dyakovo]

HAY FOR ALL THOSE LIBERAL WHY DO YOU HATE THE CONFEDERATE FLAG

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73 ... 62d1bb.jpg

Can we get straw instead? You seem to have some left over from the man you've constructed...

[USS Monitor]

How come this is allowed but this isn't???

Where?

[Divitaen]

HAY FOR ALL THOSE LIBERAL WHY DO YOU HATE THE CONFEDERATE FLAG

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73 ... 62d1bb.jpg

Ughs are you kidding me.

This is just a false equivalent. Burning the Confederate flag is legal too. The question is just whether it should be displayed on public buildings.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

How come this is allowed but this isn't???

Where the fuck is the ISIS flag flown on government property???

[Divitaen]

How come this is allowed but this isn't???

Where the fuck is the ISIS flag flown on government property???

Ah, but you see. The ISIS flag is not a symbol of hate but heritage. Show some respect! After all, killing and barbarity is only one aspect of ISIS, can't you be more open-minded and realise that ISIS's history is complex and multi-faceted, and there are many aspects that make up ISIS, not just the massacres?