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Postby Vaikneland » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:30 pm

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Tayner wrote:Belive it or not, Britain allowed slavery for almost as long as the Confederacy and owned slaves well before there was a Union, but I have never heard of their flag being related to racism.

Britain's existence wasn't devoted to upholding slavery, unlike the CSA. The CSA was created purely to uphold the institution of slavery and wage war against the USA. Different situations entirely.

In addition, The CSA's economy was based upon slavery, that's why they believed it was necessary to have it. In the UK, slavery in the Caribbean was mandatory to maintain their imports and exports. Both ways they are just as bad. And today, the south doesn't have slavery, hopefully everyone should know that, and they are still considered evil in a sense because of their ancestors bad choices in maintaining their economy. That is the most unjust part about this, is punishing the people today for what their past family had done wrong. Just take down the flag already
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Postby Tayner » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:30 pm

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Tayner wrote:Belive it or not, Britain allowed slavery for almost as long as the Confederacy and owned slaves well before there was a Union, but I have never heard of their flag being related to racism.


Britain outlawed slavery in 1833. The Confederacy started the bloodiest war in American history in order to preserve it. There is no comparison between the two.

It wasn't until 1843 until all slaves in the Empire were free.
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Postby St Salvador » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:31 pm

While I do agree that The Flag of a government that rose against the constitutional Authority of the united states should not be displayed on government buildings,I do not agree that it is a symbol of hate and racism There is a man down my Street who a Flies confederate flag under a u.s one and he seems like a fine fellow(though I live in california not The southern states of the former confederacy)
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Postby Lockdownn » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:32 pm

Just taking it down????

How about burning the damn thing.

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Postby Geilinor » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:32 pm

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Geilinor wrote:The UK willingly abolished slavery just as the Northern US did. The Confederacy was dedicated to permanent practice of slavery by its constitution.

The Confederacy's Constitution banned overseas slave trade, just like Britian did in 1808.

Overseas slave trade was not essential to continuing slavery.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:32 pm

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Cyllea wrote:The Confederate flag represents racism, slavery, treason and rebellion against the USA. The fact that it was ever allowed to be flown at a governmental facility is beyond disbelief.

Belive it or not, Britain allowed slavery for almost as long as the Confederacy and owned slaves well before there was a Union, but I have never heard of their flag being related to racism.

People are constantly critiquing the racism found in the British Empire, and in the UK today. However, with the UK being a modernized country that's put its policies of slavery and "white is right" aside, the Union Jack isn't seen as anything other than a national flag by most people. The Confederate flag, however, represents a country that was built on the principles of slavery and racial superiority, and held those beliefs strongly for its brief period of existence. The Confederate States probably would have continued to allow slavery well into the future, had it existed past 1865.

The UK wasn't established on racism. The CSA was. Therefore, the latter' flag is seen as a symbol of racism and bigotry.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:32 pm

Byrrazan wrote:I don't think it should be taken down, instead it should never touch the ground. Yes what Roof did was racially motivated, and to a point immoral, but they shouldn't have to take down a thing because of the actions of one Aryan man.

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Postby Tayner » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:33 pm

Lockdownn wrote:Just taking it down????

How about burning the damn thing.

I'd like to see how Dixie reacts to that.
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Postby United RussoAsia » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:34 pm

Thank god.
It was time.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:34 pm

Tayner wrote:
Lockdownn wrote:Just taking it down????

How about burning the damn thing.

I'd like to see how Dixie reacts to that.

Doubt they would react harshly considering people are accustomed to seeing the U.S flag burn so much it wouldn't phase them.
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Postby Vaikneland » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:34 pm

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Eastern Equestria wrote:
Britain outlawed slavery in 1833. The Confederacy started the bloodiest war in American history in order to preserve it. There is no comparison between the two.

It wasn't until 1843 until all slaves in the Empire were free.

Yes but what I'm saying is that the Brits still had slaves. THE UNION HAD SLAVES. AND SEGREGATION. I say that the US flag represents past evilness with our extremely old nations past in owning slaves, so we should ban ALL American flags from government buildings. Pft lol. A flag is a flag, not literally people having slaves.
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Postby New Grestin » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:34 pm

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Lockdownn wrote:Just taking it down????

How about burning the damn thing.

I'd like to see how Dixie reacts to that.

Obviously with the subtlety and grace that the American Public is known for.
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Postby Cyllea » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:35 pm

Tayner wrote:
Lockdownn wrote:Just taking it down????

How about burning the damn thing.

I'd like to see how Dixie reacts to that.


Why would we care about what they think? :roll:

I Burn the Confederate flag with pride.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:35 pm

United RussoAsia wrote:Thank god.
It was time.

A little overdue, but mind you the State has been in a battle of wits with the NAACP over this issue for a decade if not more.
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Postby Tayner » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:35 pm

United RussoAsia wrote:Thank god.
It was time.

It's not been removed yet, they're putting it up to a vote.
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Postby Heraklea- » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:36 pm

Vaikneland wrote:
Cyllea wrote:Britain's existence wasn't devoted to upholding slavery, unlike the CSA. The CSA was created purely to uphold the institution of slavery and wage war against the USA. Different situations entirely.

In addition, The CSA's economy was based upon slavery, that's why they believed it was necessary to have it. In the UK, slavery in the Caribbean was mandatory to maintain their imports and exports. Both ways they are just as bad. And today, the south doesn't have slavery, hopefully everyone should know that, and they are still considered evil in a sense because of their ancestors bad choices in maintaining their economy. That is the most unjust part about this, is punishing the people today for what their past family had done wrong. Just take down the flag already

Right. It's the historical association of the Confederacy that earns the South a bad reputation. Has nothing to do with the century of KKK terrorism, enforced racist policies by state governments that required federal troops to undo, members of law enforcement not just failing to punish but actively engaging in lynchings and acts of terror and a continued culture in many parts of the region which fosters new generations of racists exactly like the one who decided to fire into a black church and killing nine.

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Postby Page » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:36 pm

My position on the confederate flag is complicated but basically boils down to this:

You should only spit on it and piss on it after you burn it, because if you do those things before it might be hard to light.
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:37 pm

Tayner wrote:
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Britain outlawed slavery in 1833. The Confederacy started the bloodiest war in American history in order to preserve it. There is no comparison between the two.

It wasn't until 1843 until all slaves in the Empire were free.


Yes, as the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833 didn't initially apply to territories belonging to the East India Company, and required subsequent addendums to rectify that wrong. Now how does that refute what I've said?

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:38 pm

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Lockdownn wrote:Just taking it down????

How about burning the damn thing.

I'd like to see how Dixie reacts to that.

If I know anything about my redneck cousins, they'd probably gather around it and roast meat over it like trucker-hat-wearing cavemen.

(This isn't a joke. They literally do this every family reunion- just build a fire and cook over it.)
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Postby Benuty » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:38 pm

Cyllea wrote:
Tayner wrote:I'd like to see how Dixie reacts to that.


Why would we care about what they think? :roll:

I Burn the Confederate flag with pride.


Which one?

The battle flag, or the actual flag?
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Postby New Grestin » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:38 pm

Page wrote:My position on the confederate flag is complicated but basically boils down to this:

You should only spit on it and piss on it after you burn it, because if you do those things before it might be hard to light.

You actually got me to laugh at an NSG post.

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Postby Benuty » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:39 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Tayner wrote:I'd like to see how Dixie reacts to that.

If I know anything about my redneck cousins, they'd probably gather around it and roast meat over it like trucker-hat-wearing cavemen.

(This isn't a joke. They literally do this every family reunion- just build a fire and cook over it.)

Personally the Vermont secessionists aren't as controversial.

Of-course I have always wonder how exactly a republic like that would even work in modern times being surrounded by two giants.
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Postby Lockdownn » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:39 pm

About damn time something good was done in that state....

Honest waste of fabric and flag space.
Tayner wrote:I'd like to see how Dixie reacts to that.

I honestly couldn't care. I'd put the burning, stomping, and overall defilement of that piece of crap on loop to get it etched there brains.

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Postby Vaikneland » Mon Jun 22, 2015 9:40 pm

And you know what, I see confederate flag merchandise in stores sometimes. I live in New Jersey, not the south. It may offend people, but yes, I get offended all the time that people bask Germany due to the nazis because I'm German and Germany is a beautiful place. They shouldn't ban all that merchandise because it has something that can offend someone. I have the right to buy what I want. And if the confederate flag in SC were actually a Soviet flag, for whatever reason, I feel like people would be accustom to it more than the confederate flag. The soviets are responsible to millions of deaths, far more brutal than the CSA. But The Soviet Union isn't as offensive to people. I wonder why?
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Arcturus Novus wrote:
Tayner wrote:I'd like to see how Dixie reacts to that.

If I know anything about my redneck cousins, they'd probably gather around it and roast meat over it like trucker-hat-wearing cavemen.

(This isn't a joke. They literally do this every family reunion- just build a fire and cook over it.)

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