Confederate Emblems to be Removed Nationwide.

[Imperialisium]

Coming soon to America,"if your Caucasian daughter says no to a black guy she's a racist."-The Al Sharpton Chronicles

[Ifreann]

Coming soon to America,"if your Caucasian daughter says no to a black guy she's a racist."-The Al Sharpton Chronicles

I suppose if you can't defend your position this this the next best thing to admitting so.

[The Romulan Republic]

Coming soon to America,"if your Caucasian daughter says no to a black guy she's a racist."-The Al Sharpton Chronicles

Hardly. I mean, there are some idiots who might say this. You can find someone who will say almost anything. But no one is going to force white women to be with black men and it would only be racist to turn down a black person if you were doing so because you don't like black people. And needless to say you would still have the right to do it because no one should be forced to screw someone.

Of course, what this really is is a not very subtle attempt to fear monger about black men raping the white women- the very shit the Charleston shooter was spouting.

I think you are a racist, a scum bag to endorse the bigotry of a mass murder, a fool to believe such trash, and a coward for living in fear of black people and not having the guts to say outright what you really mean.

[Ifreann]

Coming soon to America,"if your Caucasian daughter says no to a black guy she's a racist."-The Al Sharpton Chronicles

Hardly. I mean, there are some idiots who might say this. You can find someone who will say almost anything. But no one is going to force white women to be with black men and it would only be racist to turn down a black person if you were doing so because you don't like black people. And needless to say you would still have the right to do it because no one should be forced to screw someone.

Of course, what this really is is a not very subtle attempt to fear monger about black men raping the white women- the very shit the Charleston shooter was spouting.

I think you are a racist, a scum bag to endorse the bigotry of a mass murder, a fool to believe such trash, and a coward for living in fear of black people and not having the guts to say outright what you really mean.

You shouldn't call people names. It'll get you banned.

[Trollgaard]

Don't remove the Confederate battle flag! Stand firm South Carolina, stand firm!

[The Romulan Republic]

Hardly. I mean, there are some idiots who might say this. You can find someone who will say almost anything. But no one is going to force white women to be with black men and it would only be racist to turn down a black person if you were doing so because you don't like black people. And needless to say you would still have the right to do it because no one should be forced to screw someone.

Of course, what this really is is a not very subtle attempt to fear monger about black men raping the white women- the very shit the Charleston shooter was spouting.

I think you are a racist, a scum bag to endorse the bigotry of a mass murder, a fool to believe such trash, and a coward for living in fear of black people and not having the guts to say outright what you really mean.

You shouldn't call people names. It'll get you banned.

I normally don't call people names. And perhaps I went too far.

But at the least I should be allowed to call a racist a racist. If that's prohibited, frankly, I'll break the rule and take the penalty.

[Ifreann]

Don't remove the Confederate battle flag! Stand firm South Carolina, stand firm!

Trollgaard doesn't want something to change? Weird.

[Agritum]

History is written by the victors and all that.

And sometimes the victors don't need to lie.

And to be honest, the losers too write history. Jefferson Davis himself made a book about the rise and downfall of the Confederacy. Of course it was full of bullshit, but what did you expect?

[Reploid Productions]

I think you are a racist, a scum bag to endorse the bigotry of a mass murder, a fool to believe such trash, and a coward for living in fear of black people and not having the guts to say outright what you really mean.

You can attack his argument and tear it into very small pieces. You can not attack him personally. That's called flaming, and is against the site rules, no matter how disgusting you find his opinions. Stick to the argument, not the poster. We take an especially dim view of intentionally flouting the rules, which can exacerbate any moderation action taken.

For instance, instead of an unofficial warning, we're bumping it straight to an official one: *** The Romulan Republic, warned for flaming. ***

Knock it off, Ifreann's assessment is correct- continuing in this vein is a good way to end up on the business end of a banhammer.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Norstal]

Hmm, should our government be endorsing an entity that engaged in rebellion in order to protect their right to own people as slaves?

I think that's the question we should be asking ourselves.

Flying a flag is not endorsing the actions or ideology of a state, particularly not at monuments to those who died in military service of that state.
Basically, the same reason flying the American flag over the Little Big Horn Memorial isn't fucked up.

No? Then why do Neo-Nazis even bother flying their flag at their rallies? And why do people feel so strongly about keeping the flag?

You can keep putting your hands on your ear saying "LALALALALA THE STATE DOES NOT DE JURE ENDORSE THE CONFEDERACY," but at the end of the day, when people react against the removal of the flag in such an emotional manner, the flag de facto endorses whatever ideology the state it represents.

[Courlany]

Goodness am I glad that war flag, battle moniker, is finally coming down and hopefully will be put into a museum as a piece alongside the Nazi military flag...

[Trollgaard]

Don't remove the Confederate battle flag! Stand firm South Carolina, stand firm!

Trollgaard doesn't want something to change? Weird.

There's no reason to take down the flag. Its a beautiful, strong, and proud flag. Despite the checkered history of the reasons behind it, it is a spirit of hundreds of thousands who fought under that glorious banner. Fought and died. It is to remember the dead.

And quite frankly I don't give a rat's ass if you (you being anybody) want it taken down. I saw raise up more. Reinstate the old pre2004ish state of Georgia flag too.

Its a piece of history, and it shouldn't be changed just because some people feel a bit squeemish over it.

The whole issue makes me sick.

[The New Greek Republic]

The Confederate flag, for southerners, is not a symbol of racism or prejudice. Roof was in a picture in a Confederate flag, so what? If he's racist, the flag is not. The flag is a symbol of southern pride. We don't see the flag as a flag of a rebellion or anything related to it. We see the Confederate flag as the South's flag, which it is, and we're proud to be southern. So we fly it for the fact the we are proud to be southern, not because we're racist. Hell, even black people around where I live fly it in their lawns because it's a pride thing.

I'm not proud to be southern though, I freakin' hate it here Too hot

[Genivaria]

Trollgaard doesn't want something to change? Weird.

There's no reason to take down the flag. Its a beautiful, strong, and proud flag. Despite the checkered history of the reasons behind it, it is a spirit of hundreds of thousands who fought under that glorious banner. Fought and died. It is to remember the dead.

And quite frankly I don't give a rat's ass if you (you being anybody) want it taken down. I saw raise up more. Reinstate the old pre2004ish state of Georgia flag too.

Its a piece of history, and it shouldn't be changed just because some people feel a bit squeemish over it.

The whole issue makes me sick.

The notion that we should respect a flag that symbolizes treason against a democratically elected government makes me sick.
If you love that flag then you forfeit the right to be called an American.

[Courlany]

The Confederate flag, for southerners, is not a symbol of racism or prejudice. Roof was in a picture in a Confederate flag, so what? If he's racist, the flag is not. The flag is a symbol of southern pride. We don't see the flag as a flag of a rebellion or anything related to it. We see the Confederate flag as the South's flag, which it is, and we're proud to be southern. So we fly it for the fact the we are proud to be southern, not because we're racist. Hell, even black people around where I live fly it in their lawns because it's a pride thing.

I'm not proud to be southern though, I freakin' hate it here Too hot

W. T. Thompson, the founder of the Confederate battle flag, would disagree with you. He referred to his design as the 'White Man's Flag', the color symbolizing the supremacy of the white man.
<quote>As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.</quote>
Source: Daily Morning News, 1863.

Source location: https://books.google.com/books?id=vuRCA ... 22&f=false

[United Prefectures of Appia]

The Confederate flag, for southerners, is not a symbol of racism or prejudice.

You mean all or most Southerners? If former, the KKK and the Neo-Nazis wanna have a word with you.

[Wanderjar]

Because it is a Civil War Memorial to honor those who have fallen during the Civil War.

Those who fought for the Confederacy had no honor and deserve no memorial.

I take a lot of exception to that. I'm a southerner and had family who fought for both the Union and Confederacy. The average soldier was not an idealist, they didn't own slaves and had no dog in the fight so to speak. They were drafted or if they were volunteers, they took exception to the idea that the North felt it was okay to send an army down south and start burning towns and cities. So saying such things as 'they had no honor' shows profound ignorance in your own right, and a tremendous amount of one dimensional thinking. Please understand that the world is never so black and white.

[Repercussions of the Florida Recount]

There's no reason to take down the flag. Its a beautiful, strong, and proud flag. Despite the checkered history of the reasons behind it, it is a spirit of hundreds of thousands who fought under that glorious banner. Fought and died. It is to remember the dead.

And quite frankly I don't give a rat's ass if you (you being anybody) want it taken down. I saw raise up more. Reinstate the old pre2004ish state of Georgia flag too.

Its a piece of history, and it shouldn't be changed just because some people feel a bit squeemish over it.

The whole issue makes me sick.

The notion that we should respect a flag that symbolizes treason against a democratically elected government makes me sick.
If you love that flag then you forfeit the right to be called an American.

There you go! They were willing to give up that right in the first place, just throw it away in order to own people like you'd own furniture, except furniture don't have children or feelings or souls. What a legacy to feel pride for somehow.

[United Prefectures of Appia]

Those who fought for the Confederacy had no honor and deserve no memorial.

I take a lot of exception to that. I'm a southerner and had family who fought for both the Union and Confederacy. The average soldier was not an idealist, they didn't own slaves and had no dog in the fight so to speak. They were drafted or if they were volunteers, they took exception to the idea that the North felt it was okay to send an army down south and start burning towns and cities. So saying such things as 'they had no honor' shows profound ignorance in your own right, and a tremendous amount of one dimensional thinking.

Which is why the blame should be put to those who sent these soldiers into war in the first place.

Please understand that the world is never so black and white.

I see what you did there.

[Wanderjar]

There's no reason to take down the flag. Its a beautiful, strong, and proud flag. Despite the checkered history of the reasons behind it, it is a spirit of hundreds of thousands who fought under that glorious banner. Fought and died. It is to remember the dead.

And quite frankly I don't give a rat's ass if you (you being anybody) want it taken down. I saw raise up more. Reinstate the old pre2004ish state of Georgia flag too.

Its a piece of history, and it shouldn't be changed just because some people feel a bit squeemish over it.

The whole issue makes me sick.

The notion that we should respect a flag that symbolizes treason against a democratically elected government makes me sick.
If you love that flag then you forfeit the right to be called an American.

It wasn't so democratic that it didn't allow a democratic decision to withdraw from that government, now was it?

[Wanderjar]

I take a lot of exception to that. I'm a southerner and had family who fought for both the Union and Confederacy. The average soldier was not an idealist, they didn't own slaves and had no dog in the fight so to speak. They were drafted or if they were volunteers, they took exception to the idea that the North felt it was okay to send an army down south and start burning towns and cities. So saying such things as 'they had no honor' shows profound ignorance in your own right, and a tremendous amount of one dimensional thinking.

Which is why the blame should be put to those who sent these soldiers into war in the first place.

Please understand that the world is never so black and white.

I see what you did there.

I read that and almost put no pun intended, but decided it would take away from the seriousness of the post. I hoped noone would notice

[Occupied Deutschland]

Flying a flag is not endorsing the actions or ideology of a state, particularly not at monuments to those who died in military service of that state.
Basically, the same reason flying the American flag over the Little Big Horn Memorial isn't fucked up.

No? Then why do Neo-Nazis even bother flying their flag at their rallies?

I suppose I should've had 'necessarily' in there before endorsing. I thought it was heavily enough implied to be unneeded though.

You can keep putting your hands on your ear saying "LALALALALA THE STATE DOES NOT DE JURE ENDORSE THE CONFEDERACY," but at the end of the day, when people react against the removal of the flag in such an emotional manner, the flag de facto endorses whatever ideology the state it represents.

Not really, no.
Unless you'd care to point me to the calls by South Carolinian government officials to secede and/or reinstitute slavery.

[Trollgaard]

There's no reason to take down the flag. Its a beautiful, strong, and proud flag. Despite the checkered history of the reasons behind it, it is a spirit of hundreds of thousands who fought under that glorious banner. Fought and died. It is to remember the dead.

And quite frankly I don't give a rat's ass if you (you being anybody) want it taken down. I saw raise up more. Reinstate the old pre2004ish state of Georgia flag too.

Its a piece of history, and it shouldn't be changed just because some people feel a bit squeemish over it.

The whole issue makes me sick.

The notion that we should respect a flag that symbolizes treason against a democratically elected government makes me sick.
If you love that flag then you forfeit the right to be called an American.

My family has been the US since before the revolution. They fought under Washington, and fought under the Stars and Bars. Not American? Pah! Mind your mouth, pup.

[Infected Mushroom]

Because it is a Civil War Memorial to honor those who have fallen during the Civil War.

Those who fought for the Confederacy had no honor and deserve no memorial.

No. They fought with honor.

They didn't fight for lands, titles, or riches and they knew they wouldn't get any. But they fought anyways... because they knew... that if Lincoln sacked the South; it would their homes he plunders, their cities he takes, their fields and crops that he burns, their families that he destroys.

The South fought with honor and the brave men of Dixie land fought to defend their homes from the northern invaders. They failed, but their war cries will echo throughout history.

To say that they did not fight honor, is to be in denial of the truth.

[Wanderjar]

No? Then why do Neo-Nazis even bother flying their flag at their rallies?

I suppose I should've had 'necessarily' in there before endorsing. I thought it was heavily enough implied to be unneeded though.

You can keep putting your hands on your ear saying "LALALALALA THE STATE DOES NOT DE JURE ENDORSE THE CONFEDERACY," but at the end of the day, when people react against the removal of the flag in such an emotional manner, the flag de facto endorses whatever ideology the state it represents.

Not really, no.
Unless you'd care to point me to the calls by South Carolinian government officials to secede and/or reinstitute slavery.

They've never called for the reintroduction of slavery, that's nonsense.