Ukraine Megathread: Crimea River Part Deux

[Estruia]

The OSCE has spotted a Russian MLRS that is not used by the Ukrainian military.

Clearly, the Rebels got it from the corner store.

[The balkens]

The OSCE has spotted a Russian MLRS that is not used by the Ukrainian military.

Clearly, the Rebels got it from the corner store.

"Welcome to Vladimir's Military vehicle emporium! Wanna wage an ethnic inspired jihad because your government is longer bending over, ready to receive from the Russian government? I have MLRS Platforms that will turn Kiev into 2nd Grozny! i have other russian ultra nationalists who are stupid enough to believe their governments stupid bullshit. Hell, they'll even push the button for you, just like MH-17! You wont even have to put money down for it! Money is a tool of Capitalism to keep you, the Russian, down! Whats that? You need counter arty systems!? FUCKIN HAVE IT! You need Mi-35s? RAIN DEATH FROM SATAN'S CHARIOT!! Only at Vladimir's military vehicle emporium!"

*Sign Falls down, revealing "Property of the Russian Government."*

[Bratislavskaya]

WOW! Nation Y giving military equipment to a insurgency in nation X that supports nation Y's interests! Shocking!/sarcasm

I would be more worried if nation Y wasn't doing that that if it was.

[Vassenor]

WOW! Nation Y giving military equipment to a insurgency in nation X that supports nation Y's interests! Shocking!/sarcasm

I would be more worried if nation Y wasn't doing that that if it was.

It's "shocking" (note the sarcastic air quotes) because Russia has repeatedly denied that it's been giving material or personnel support to the insurgency.

Of course it's pretty much an open secret that they have been.

[Bratislavskaya]

WOW! Nation Y giving military equipment to a insurgency in nation X that supports nation Y's interests! Shocking!/sarcasm

I would be more worried if nation Y wasn't doing that that if it was.

It's "shocking" (note the sarcastic air quotes) because Russia has repeatedly denied that it's been giving material or personnel support to the insurgency.

Of course it's pretty much an open secret that they have been.

Just like it's "shocking" that the US have funded and armed ISIS and Al-Nusra, yet repeatedly denied it in public statements.

The only reason people have a problem with this is because it's Russia.

[New Werpland]

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[Bratislavskaya]

Just like it's "shocking" that the US have funded and armed ISIS and Al-Nusra, yet repeatedly denied it in public statements.

The only reason people have a problem with this is because it's Russia.

The Pentagon's own intelligence reports have admitted that they have, knowingly, sent cash and weapons through to groups that were known Islamist factions in Syria as far back as 2011. That includes ISIS and Al-Nusra. It's not even hard to find the reports. Even then they are undoubtedly still directly aiding the FSA, which is essentially what Russia is doing in Donbass.

[The balkens]

The Pentagon's own intelligence reports have admitted that they have, knowingly, sent cash and weapons through to groups that were known Islamist factions in Syria as far back as 2011. That includes ISIS and Al-Nusra. It's not even hard to find the reports. Even then they are undoubtedly still directly aiding the FSA, which is essentially what Russia is doing in Donbass.

ISIS didnt even exist as an entity in 2011.

The least you can do is check when ISIS was formed before you make an Asinine comment like "Da! Ebil West funded ISIS!"

And going by Russia's current syria Logic, when can the US bomb the rebels in Ukraine since Russia is currently bombing Rebels in Syria?

[Bratislavskaya]

The Pentagon's own intelligence reports have admitted that they have, knowingly, sent cash and weapons through to groups that were known Islamist factions in Syria as far back as 2011. That includes ISIS and Al-Nusra. It's not even hard to find the reports. Even then they are undoubtedly still directly aiding the FSA, which is essentially what Russia is doing in Donbass.

ISIS didnt even exist as an entity in 2011.

The least you can do is check when ISIS was formed before you make an Asinine comment like "Da! Ebil West funded ISIS!"

And going by Russia's current syria Logic, when can the US bomb the rebels in Ukraine since Russia is currently bombing Rebels in Syria?

I said Islamist groups including ISIS and Al-Nusra. I didn't say either exclusively, that far back. And the group that founded the Islamic state has been operating since 1999.

[The balkens]

ISIS didnt even exist as an entity in 2011.

The least you can do is check when ISIS was formed before you make an Asinine comment like "Da! Ebil West funded ISIS!"

And going by Russia's current syria Logic, when can the US bomb the rebels in Ukraine since Russia is currently bombing Rebels in Syria?

I said Islamist groups including ISIS and Al-Nusra. I didn't say either exclusively, that far back. And the group that founded the Islamic state has been operating since 1999.

That founded it, but you Said

back as 2011. That includes ISIS and Al-Nusra

Had you simply said The Islamic state of Iraq (as they were formally known) or AQ in Iraq (their Iraq War Hey day back when they Fought WITH AQ. we would not be having this problem of the usual tactic of "blaming the west."

[The New Byzantine II]

Crimean Tatars (with Right Sector) sets an economic blockade on Russian-held Crimea

[Bratislavskaya]

That founded it, but you Said

back as 2011. That includes ISIS and Al-Nusra

In the time from 2011 to the present they have funded Islamist groups in Syria. That included ISIS and Al-Nusra, in various points during that period. That is what the sentence meant.

You are literally picking at the way my sentence was written as your argument. "I'd make a comment but it's not worth satirising"

[Chossudovsky]

It's "shocking" (note the sarcastic air quotes) because Russia has repeatedly denied that it's been giving material or personnel support to the insurgency.

Of course it's pretty much an open secret that they have been.

Just like it's "shocking" that the US have funded and armed ISIS and Al-Nusra, yet repeatedly denied it in public statements.

The only reason people have a problem with this is because it's Russia.

In fact, the two go hand in hand - those who hate Russia deliberately ignore the fact that ISIS and al-Qaeda are CIA created and backed ventures precisely because the purpose of these groups is to provide an alternative way to attack Russia and Russian interests.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/twenty-six-things-about-the-islamic-state-isil-that-obama-does-not-want-you-to-know-about/5414735

[Vassenor]

Just like it's "shocking" that the US have funded and armed ISIS and Al-Nusra, yet repeatedly denied it in public statements.

The only reason people have a problem with this is because it's Russia.

In fact, the two go hand in hand - those who hate Russia deliberately ignore the fact that ISIS and al-Qaeda are CIA created and backed ventures precisely because the purpose of these groups is to provide an alternative way to attack Russia and Russian interests.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/twenty-six-things-about-the-islamic-state-isil-that-obama-does-not-want-you-to-know-about/5414735

Probably not the best source to cite.

[Tmutarakhan]

Putin can pay people to post this kind of stuff, but can't pay people to believe it.

[The balkens]

That founded it, but you Said

In the time from 2011 to the present they have funded Islamist groups in Syria. That included ISIS and Al-Nusra, in various points during that period. That is what the sentence meant.

You are literally picking at the way my sentence was written as your argument. "I'd make a comment but it's not worth satirising"

Eh. Why the scare quotes?

[Shofercia]

AFAYK

So I take it you're privy to a large amount of classified information that proves Russia is going to be the saviour of all mankind or something?

(Yes I know the sarcasm is poor. I'm still half asleep.)

I just pick up on stuff that others don't. In order to pick on what I picked up on, you'd have to:

1. Read and understood Putin's UNGA speech in English and Russian
2. Know the key terms used
3. Understand the Russo-Kurdish Relationship
4. Know who's planning the op in Syria, i.e. what branch, I don't know the actual person, and I hope I won't until it's over

So I take it you're privy to a large amount of classified information that proves Russia is going to be the saviour of all mankind or something?

(Yes I know the sarcasm is poor. I'm still half asleep.)

Common sense and past experience dictate that Russia's intervention will bring about a swift resolution to the Syrian civil war.

If you define a year as swift

Common sense and past experience dictate that Russia's intervention will bring about a swift resolution to the Syrian civil war.

Exactly....just like how all the fighting in the Caucasus ended over twenty years ago

Most of the fighting ended roughly 10 years ago. By 2009 the Caucasus was largely pacified.

Crimean Tatars (with Right Sector) sets an economic blockade on Russian-held Crimea

Crimea's response should be to stop all imports of Roshen

Putin can pay people to post this kind of stuff, but can't pay people to believe it.

Especially on NSG, because NSG is central to Putin's strategy of winning hearts and minds /sarcasm

[United Marxist Nations]

This thread = sporadic as fuck

[Costa Fierro]

Dutch Safety Board says MH17 was shot down by BUK missile. However, they won't say who fired it.

So we can pretty much rule out it being shot down by an Ukrainian jet. I wonder how Putin's propaganda machine is going to spin this?

[Vassenor]

Dutch Safety Board says MH17 was shot down by BUK missile. However, they won't say who fired it.

So we can pretty much rule out it being shot down by an Ukrainian jet. I wonder how Putin's propaganda machine is going to spin this?

It disagrees with the Official version of events so it's all Western Propaganda Lies™.

[Estruia]

Dutch Safety Board says MH17 was shot down by BUK missile. However, they won't say who fired it.

So we can pretty much rule out it being shot down by an Ukrainian jet. I wonder how Putin's propaganda machine is going to spin this?

Clearly, it was a BUK system mounted on a UkrFascist-controlled 747 jetliner.

[Costa Fierro]

Dutch Safety Board says MH17 was shot down by BUK missile. However, they won't say who fired it.

So we can pretty much rule out it being shot down by an Ukrainian jet. I wonder how Putin's propaganda machine is going to spin this?

It disagrees with the Official version of events so it's all Western Propaganda Lies™.

They've already called the findings "biased" even though it hasn't pinned responsibility on any party.

[Geilinor]

It disagrees with the Official version of events so it's all Western Propaganda Lies™.

They've already called the findings "biased" even though it hasn't pinned responsibility on any party.

Putin's propaganda machine will spin it as NATO-EU funded lies.

[The balkens]

They've already called the findings "biased" even though it hasn't pinned responsibility on any party.

Putin's propaganda machine will spin it as NATO-EU funded lies.

Or that Hitler threw the missile up from hell.

[West Aurelia]

The DSB reports that there was an attempt to remove Buk missile fragments and other evidence from the MH17 crash site.